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| jillincolorado | Apr 6 2008, 12:35 PM Post #1 |
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Well Lily the pill is settling in alright. We have a serious issue though; she's TERRIFIED of going outdoors which makes potty training really interesting. If there is a human presence on the street she FLIPS out. Panics. Flops like a fish on the leash, whines and tries to run home (which I suppose is a good thing). Problem is that no matter how badly she needs to poop, she WILL NOT do it if anything distracts her. Just stands there panicking and whining. It's really very sad.When she's NOT stressed she's a joy. VERY smart and is taking to leash training very well. She sits on command and walks slowly right by your side...unless there's reason for a panic attack. Our other dog, Monkey is calm and cool while we walk. Nothing phases him. I thought this would help her, but she just goes into survival mode when she panics as if she's all alone in the world.. We've tried ignoring it and we just keep walking. We've tried being kind and giving her support. NOTHING seems to make it better. Any suggestions from you savvy dog types??? We've had very few accidents in the house, and the ones we have had have been oversights on our part. I just can't relax when I know there's a HUGE poop lurking inside the pup (like after she eats). :lol: |
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| 3Bays | Apr 6 2008, 12:45 PM Post #2 |
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Oh, Jilli girl, I can SO relate. Last summer was when we adopted Miss Fredonia, our little Rescue Chi. She would not poop outside, she would not poop in her litterbox if ANYONE was near her or within visual range of any kind... or it was daylight. She would save it all until the dark of night and then go to the litterboxes and start there...then, wander allllllllllllllllll around as she TRIED to poop. Sigh. Well, it took LOTS of patience and praising and timing the food intake correctly...but NOW she will poop when walked on a lead (and waits for me to pick it up, too!), she will poop ALL IN her litterboxes now and if she's gotta go, she'll go. Now, most of the time, she'll go either in the a.m. after breakfast, OR sometimes she still goes in the middle of the night into her litterbox. At any rate, I think it just takes TIME. Having Pippy walk with a CALM dog is good...I'd just go with the positive reinforcement thing (ie, if she's calm and well behaved, praise her to the skies, maybe feed her a tiny kibble as a treat/reward; when she's not, be a bit distant emotionally and end the walk. Soon, she'll figure out that Mom is praising her when she's like the other calmer dog. My girl was HORRIFIED of ANYBODY (including us) when she came...she'd try to crawl under the pillow part of her dog bed, and she literally hid her face and eyes away from any person within visual range (while trembling and vomitting from fear). Broke my heart to see this kind of fear, and I would imagine when you are walking Pippy and the dog goes nuts just because someone is near it's hard for you to see that. JUST GIVE IT TIME. I nearly gave up on my girl...about 60 days in I had to go back to the Rescue people and talk to them because I wasn't sure it was going to work out...but, they kept saying that with some doggies it just takes longer...and I'm glad I decided to stick it out. She's nothing like she was when she came here...I would imagine that in TIME Pippy will be much calmer and better behaved, especially as you already have a calm, sweet dog for a pal there...that influence will be important! HANG IN THERE. It's reallllly worth it! UM: EDITED to ask: I may have the names mixed up...is Lily the dog who's scared or what? Gads, I've probably screwed up the name! Sorry! |
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| jillincolorado | Apr 6 2008, 12:52 PM Post #3 |
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My fault on the name, 3bs! :lol: I typed "Pippy" instead of "puppy" Ah the joys of roofpreading. her name is Lily, you are correct. Goes so well with our other dogs' name, "Monkey", don't you think? ![]() We love her dearly and it's so neat to see her slowly emerging from her shell. Just when we think we're making ground, something scares her outside and it's all over, at least out there. The house has definitely become her security blanket and she's a happy, normal puppy inside, for the most part. She's doing very well with the crate training, and she stays out all night in our room with nary a mishap. It's just the outdoor panic. Sounds like your girl had a rough time too. Poor thing!!!!
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| OTF | Apr 6 2008, 12:59 PM Post #4 |
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:lol: I'm sorry for laughing, Ms Jilli, but this does strike my funny bone, although it's not funny, just the way you said it. Sooner or later, it's gonna come out, you know that! Do you have a fenced in safe dog area in your yard where they could both go out, with you? Maybe a little bit of off-lead freedom is what she needs. I know that Lily is young, but is she too young to go to "Puppy Socialization" classes (precursor to obedience classes)? I know you have nothing else to do with your time :lol: but I always found doggie school a great thing for a pup and its person! And a good trainer will have suggestions and answers to questions. |
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| 3Bays | Apr 6 2008, 01:46 PM Post #5 |
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:lol: Thanks, Jilli! Glad to know I'm not senile just yet...it's close, but so far not.
Yeh, little Fredonia was a puppy mill rescue...she was two when we got her and they'd pretty much caged her all her life. Only was handled for vet work and to force her to mate with the stud dog (yanked her by the tail backwards into the ready dog...kinda near a rape, actually). She had never played with a toy, didn't have a clue what a ball or a chew bone was, either. Never wore a collar, didn't know what a leash was and of course had never been taught to come, sit, stay, heel, etc. She wouldn't eat or poop in front of us or even drink water she was so frightened of people. She has blessed us with her warm, sweet and funny personality and shows so much courage I feel HONORED to have adopted her! NOW? She will eagerly eat, bounces around, wears her collar, goes on walkies and HEELS, she learned to use her litter box in ONE day, and she now will even come for a scratch and cuddle! She'll always be a bit scaredy-cat, especially with strangers...and so, no, she'll never be totally like she would have been if I'd gotten her as a pup...but honestly? She's an UTTER delight! There's NO money than can buy the feeling I get when she's smiling and bouncy and showing how HAPPY she is, and when that look of utter TRUST she gives me happens, I just melt. |
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| OTF | Apr 6 2008, 04:19 PM Post #6 |
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Oh 3Bays, what a sad, sad story of your little doggie. What is the MATTER with people that treat animals like they did your little Fredonia? Two years in a crate? I have no doubt that she has the best of all possible homes with you.
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| 3Bays | Apr 6 2008, 04:49 PM Post #7 |
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Yeh...and not a NICE crate, but an old, half broken wire cage...with a dirty dog dish, old, ratty towel and that was IT. How she lasted I have no idea. It was like taking someone out of Hitler's camps. She was skin and bone, hair half gone (she's a long haired Chi) and her teeth in awful condition. Now? Nice weight, GORGEOUS coat, bright eyes. Teeth still an issue...it's taken this long to get her emotionally stable enough to handle going and getting a dental procedure done...she'll be getting that next month. She is beautifully built...I can see why she was "chosen" for being a breeding bitch...gorgeous animal...well, she is WHEN YOU TREAT HER RIGHT! Honestly? I'm glad I did not meet anyone who had anything to do with her treatment there. Her living conditions were horrific, she was not well nourished, the man there apparently beat the crap out of her and she was only handled in rough ways...those flaming jerks took advantage of Fredonia's gentle and sweet nature. If I had been anyplace near those horrible humans I'd not be able to contain my rage and probably would have been arrested for assault after I put THEM in the damn cage! Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
BUT what I could do was take this sweetheart home and love her up! SO I DID! And, I am the LUCKY one...because my little Fredonia is so grateful and loving for every day and every thing she has here. And, yep, we DO spoil her! She has a continually refreshed litter box available at all times, a nice, comfy doggy bed in each room (and the one in the living room is like a tiny little sofa!), she has two fuzzy squeak bones, an itty bitty tennis ball (which she still...and may never be able to...play with...I'm still trying to teach her that a ball is a toy, but first she has to understand the concept of toys...her fuzzy bones are actually just things she has around for comfy confidence---she doesn't chew on them...and she gets great food twice a day plus a dental chewbone snack, fresh water and LOTS and LOTS and LOTS of petting, loving and attention. She gets walkies several times a week outside, and regular bathing and brushing. Though she won't "play" like a normal dog, she HAS made up a "game" herself with me where we play "tag" running to and from her dog beds! Hey, that's cool...if it makes HER happy, I'll play HER game! I often feel I can never do enough to take the horror away from her that she endured those two years. How she found the courage and love in her heart to open up and let us love her even though she'd been so badly abused, I do not know...but am grateful for it! Can you all tell I am just ga-ga over my little Chi? Sorry to ramble on so! |
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| 3Bays | Apr 6 2008, 04:50 PM Post #8 |
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BTW: sorry to have hijacked the thread! My APOLOGIES!!!! Jilli: do keep us informed about your pup's progress...I would imagine it's just going to require more time than you expected at first...hang in there...she sounds like she's coming along!
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| jillincolorado | Apr 6 2008, 05:07 PM Post #9 |
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Fredonia is so lucky to have you guys! So nice to hear happy tail stories. I will continue to support her and we'll see what a few weeks of love will produce. She changes every day. I came in from the barn and she ran to greet me, and when I bent down to pet her my keys fell and hit her in the back. She won't come near me now. Poor girl. Just makes me wonder what the heck happened to make her so scared and mistrustful. Probably better that I don't know. :angry: |
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| horseladi78 | Apr 6 2008, 05:23 PM Post #10 |
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I think it will be a slow process for her Jill.......and first i would try to get her trust.......sit down on the floor at her level....and just sit there encourgaing her to come to you.....love her and praise her lots even if she does potty in the house...she will be one you will never be able to scald harshly.......treats and more treats....What i found for my aussie pup who was a semi scardy cat was i kept her with me as much as possible....if i went outside she came with me on a leash...if i went to the farm she came with me on a leash....try to get her out and about as much as possible even if she is scared....socilaize her with people who understand she's scared and try to get them to pet her and praise her.....it will take time but she is young enough to turn around........she might always be a little reserved of others but if you try to get her around as many unusual situations it will get better.....keep her on a leash...with just a collar no choke chain and if tries to run just let her do her thing for now....but then try to scoot down to her level and talk to her in a soothing voice....if you can get her to love and trust you then she will get better in outside situations....just my thoughts...good luck!! |
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| jillincolorado | Apr 6 2008, 06:23 PM Post #11 |
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Thanks guys. To answer a couple of questions, we don't have a fenced yard. Our homeowners association forbids them. We walk about 6 times a days. Sometimes just out to the front yard. Other times we go around the entire block. I put her on an extendable leash yesterday and low and behold she seemed a bit more comfortable. Tonight while I was walking her with my other dog, she took off when my neighbor dropped a trash can in his garage as we walked by. She snapped the handle right out of my hand and the plastic part of the leash was dragging behind her. I was worried she'd run right by our house, but at the last minute she turned up our walkway, the leash caught on the curb and it catapulted itself right into here. She took off full tilt for the front door SCREAMING and hit the door full force, expressing her anal glands EVERYWHERE. I think it's going to be a long road. I do keep her with me all day and she sleeps in our bedroom with us and our other dog (and two cats, and occasional 9-year-old :lol: ). The only time she is crated is when I am gone and it's the wire type that she can see through. It's always a "positive" thing and she tolerates it very well. Food is her favorite thing. The treats and the love we've got down. I'm in it for the long haul, but it's very frustrating sometimes.
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| Melliebay | Apr 6 2008, 06:43 PM Post #12 |
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Jilli and 3Bays, you guys are saints. Jilli, you are providing exactly what Lily needs, and that is love. Everything else will come in time. My dog Jake was a rescue, but fortunately didn't have severe issues when I got him. I can never put him in a crate though, and he gets depressed when I leave. Your pups sound like a tougher case, but LOVE will get them through. They are lucky to have you!
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| 3Bays | Apr 6 2008, 06:52 PM Post #13 |
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Oh, Jilli. Girl, I feel your pain!That bit with the garbage can flipping the dog out who then runs and flips the handle and then hits the door, anal gland junk everyplace...oooooh, yeah. Been there, got the tshirt. JUST STAY THE COURSE! From all of your description, it sounds like you are doing allllll the right things! It takes some doggies a long while to realize that YOU are trustworthy! She's going to figure out that when these "scarey" things happen, you and the environment are stable and STILL THERE FOR HER. How long have you had her? |
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| Magic | Apr 6 2008, 06:53 PM Post #14 |
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Poor Lily-- and poor Jaci! Sounds like she is having trouble coping--I bet she just needs some time We got Shadow from a rescue and although he never seemed afraid of us-- he was totally freaked out about stuff outside. I remember the first time I took him for a walk and he was scared to death of a rock. Granted it was a big decorative rock, but I swear it wasn't moving :lol: When an airplane went overhead he totally ducked for cover-- it was kinda funny. I just had to remember that this stuff was all new to him-- he had pretty much been tied up in someones backyard most of his short life. He got over it in time and learned to enjoy being outside. He even got to spend days on end at the barn learning about horses and other barn attractions-- he was scared to death of the horses at first but got over that quickly.
I could write a book about Shadow and all his weird behavior but this one fits--- we just moved in August and our new house has an invisible fence. I went online to get info on the training yadda yadda yadda. Anyways, I messed it up. He got nailed by the fence- he freaked out, I freaked out, the kids freaked out. Slightly neurotic dog turned into majorly neurotic dog. So he refused to go outside. Actually started to go potty in the house-- he had never done this before. I had totally screwed him up. Well, he is totally food motivated, so I brought the dog food into the yard-- would grab the bowl and move it 10 feet, and keep moving it into different parts of the yard staying clear of warning beeps and it totally cured him. He respects the fence but isn't afraid of the yard.Has everyone fallen asleep yet? Moral of the story. Food is good. Bring it on your walks. Put in on the scary trash cans and big scary rocks. She is so young-- it will just take time for her to realize that life is loud and sometimes your mom throws keys at you.
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| 3Bays | Apr 6 2008, 07:06 PM Post #15 |
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:lol: <_< Cool story, Magic!AND, excellent advice, too!
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It's really very sad.




Oh, Jilli girl, I can SO relate.

I have no doubt that she has the best of all possible homes with you.

Well, he is totally food motivated, so I brought the dog food into the yard-- would grab the bowl and move it 10 feet, and keep moving it into different parts of the yard staying clear of warning beeps and it totally cured him. He respects the fence but isn't afraid of the yard.
Moral of the story. Food is good. Bring it on your walks. Put in on the scary trash cans and big scary rocks. She is so young-- it will just take time for her to realize that life is loud and sometimes your mom throws keys at you.

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