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Price for a 2 year old.
Topic Started: Sep 17 2007, 07:37 PM (2,322 Views)
Ladybug Hill
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I don't start mine under saddle until they are 3 either. And usually only lightly then. If you want a forever horse, I would suggest one that has been started slowly. If the trainer is going to "make it up" anyway, why not an unbroke 2 year old? Or a 3 year old that is just started? Why are we in such hurry when horses live to be 30 years old or more?

I know this is a real shift in thinking for U.S. breeders/riders and I am not trying to step on anyone's toes.

I am no longer supportive of the IHF since they started the 2 year old u/s classes. Just seems irresponsible to me.
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Fred
Sep 19 2007, 04:18 AM
NJ Gal, I don't know if you were at Devon this year, but the filly who won her class at Devon this year, 2yrold TB filly Romantic Pursuit, handled by Junior Johnson, is for sale by her breeder.
This filly has won consistently on the line against the WBs up here in Canada, including Junior Champion Filly at the Royal Winter Fair.
This is a gorgeous filly, super fancy, flashy and very well handled. Her owner does a wonderful job of starting them (I have a filly with her right now).
I think the price for Julia/Romantic Pursuit is very reasonable for a filly of her calibre.
Please have a look at her website:
www.braecreststables.com
The two year old is Romanctic Pursuit. Exceptional filly and should make an outstanding hunter. She is by A Fine Romance who was a hunter Champion himself.

While you're looking at Claire's website, please take a look at my filly:
Bittersweet aka Tea. She is 4, and going very well U/S. This is a filly we have the highest hopes for. :yes:

Congrats camohn on your boy's show on Sunday!! :cheer:

Fred - check your PT's thanks!
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thank you Starlight - message sent!
Duffy - thank you :hug: . Claire really does a tremendous job of starting young horses slowly and carefully. She really is the link we breeders need, as she says "bridging the gap".
When the horse leaves Claire, it is ready to start its new career with its owner.
I have a 2 yr old colt here now, KWPN NA by Iroko out of AFR's full sister.
He will get gelded soon and after that head up to Claire's to be lightly started and sold.
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This one is pretty cute! (And blingy!!!)

http://uncouth.freeforums.org/viewtopic.php?t=347
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6# - I have dibs on that one! :lol: after I win the lottery :lol: they are holding him for me :lol:
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fossiloverfences
Sep 21 2007, 06:31 AM
6# - I have dibs on that one! :lol: after I win the lottery :lol: they are holding him for me :lol:

Better get him fast. His price went up by 5K between yesterday and today!
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Runningwater WBs
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I have a two year old for sale. He's not under saddle yet. He's a warmblood from slow-growing lines and I agree with those who start later in the interest of longevity. He is super fancy, though! And he's had a very successful year at the New England breed shows. His stats:

Florian RW is a super two year old with potential for dressage or hunters. He has three super gaits and tons of presence. In 2007, he's had a very successful year at the breed shows, winning two of four 2 yr old colt classes and placing second in the other two, all in front of three different judges. Twice he was Reserve Champion Colt, including Reserve Champion Colt at the NEDA Fall Festival breed show, where he came in third in the Young Horse Championship.

The judges' comments include: "pretty head," "good neck position," "good long withers," "good topline reaching into a well rounded croup," "good reach, elastic" [at trot], "nice type," (Zuther); "[at trot] Is able to develop cadence and shows some nice uphill lift," "shows potential," "well set on neck," [good] "activity of hind leg and impulsion" (Fore); "well defined withers," "showing cadence and uphill balance and thrust" [at trot], "showing ground cover and elasticity" [at trot] (Babcock); "good expression," "good steps" [at tot], "good riding horse type" (Hansen).

Should mature to 16.3hh.
Bloodlines: Fabuleux/ Eisenherz I/ Pik Konig

See Florian RW here:
http://www.runningwaterwarmbloods.com/page3.html
More pictures on my website.
Please email hansiska@yahoo.com for more info.

Kendra Hansis
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http://www.runningwaterwarmbloods.com/
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clearound
Sep 22 2007, 12:09 AM
fossiloverfences
Sep 21 2007, 06:31 AM
6# - I have dibs on that one!  :lol:  after I win the lottery  :lol: they are holding him for me  :lol:

Better get him fast. His price went up by 5K between yesterday and today!

I saw that too Clearound. I was watching this one... $25k to 30K overnight... he/she must have seen this BB. There seems to be alot of indecision from sellers out there lately, but it's their perogative. <_<
But I will say there are PLENTY nice ones out there... and the prices don't flucuate that radically. :yes:
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Silver Bells
Sep 22 2007, 06:52 PM
clearound
Sep 22 2007, 12:09 AM
fossiloverfences
Sep 21 2007, 06:31 AM
6# - I have dibs on that one!  :lol:   after I win the lottery  :lol: they are holding him for me  :lol:

Better get him fast. His price went up by 5K between yesterday and today!

I saw that too Clearound. I was watching this one... $25k to 30K overnight... he/she must have seen this BB. There seems to be alot of indecision from sellers out there lately, but it's their perogative. <_<
But I will say there are PLENTY nice ones out there... and the prices don't flucuate that radically. :yes:

I saw the price fluctuation too. As a buyer that is an immediate turn off.
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C'mon folks, people are not allowed to raise the prices on their sale horses w/o scrutiny? Have none of you ever done that? If it were your critter would you turn down that kind of $$ for it?
I didn't put up the link for you guys to tear the farm/poster/horse apart, it was simply a reference for the OP to see what some 2yr olds in the country are priced at.

Perhaps there was some miscommunication between the owner and the poster on what the price was supposed to be? Maybe there is a commission (don't we all LOVE THOSE!) that was just tacked on, maybe the horse did really well at a show, or 10,000 other reasons- none of which anyone here is privvy to.

Regarding Seller indecision, the horse is worth what someone will pay for it, and I am sure if the stars all align correctly he will be even more expensive down the road. The market is hot and cold right now, but this is a nice Imported colt, with popular (Voltaire/ Balou Du Rouet) bloodlines, a flashy look and good disposition...
Based upon what I've seen some young Popeye's or Zarr's, etc priced at (Bill remember the one I sent you?????) :jaw: they may not be too far off the mark.


Spacely are you shopping?? Cool! Did you hear that guys? Time to enable her! :one: :clap:
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I am not saying changing prices on a horse is wrong...just questionable. <_< I am constantly checking out horses ( I always appreciate your tips Tracey as you have a good eye). I am hopelessly addicted to these critters. I also sell horses from my string to feed my addiction. I currently have one for sale that is underpriced. I will not change the price though. Now if I choose not to sell him at this point, and decide to do so later... say in 3 months... the price will be higher. I WILL NOT raise it tomorrow.
Not my style... :sigh:

We have all heard the story of buyer A arriving in an old pick up truck, and buyer B arriving in a cadillac... Buyer A is quoted $5,000 and Buyer B is quoted $8,000. :huh:

I can list NUMEROUS examples of various sellers that change their prices regularly... up then down... then up .... and so on. Some have their horses listed for sale in various places ( own sites , warmbloods for sale, Big Eq etc. ) and forget to change the prices there.... ooops.
Or the ones that are priced by the breeder , and also priced by an agent... there can sometimes be a $5,000 to $25,000 discrepancy. :jaw:


All that being said, I personally find price flucuation ( especially in a 24 hour period) to be a complete turnoff REGARDLESS of the the breeding or whatever else. There are so many horses out there, and so many sellers that in my opinion "play fair".

The internet and word of mouth are very powerful tools that can backfire on individuals in the horse industry these days. It's a small world when you get right down to it, and people changing prices seems to generate lots of questions and scrutiny. Don't put the prices out there.... :brickwall:

Tracey, I also believe comissions have no bearing on this discussion, and please do not take offense regarding the link you posted. It is a nice horse, but the price did in fact jump 5K overnight... and unfortunately this stigma is there to stay on this one! :) It's not your fault... :rose:
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sixpoundfarm
Sep 23 2007, 07:17 AM
C'mon folks, people are not allowed to raise the prices on their sale horses w/o scrutiny? Have none of you ever done that? If it were your critter would you turn down that kind of $$ for it?
I didn't put up the link for you guys to tear the farm/poster/horse apart, it was simply a reference for the OP to see what some 2yr olds in the country are priced at.



It was I who pointed the price increase to both Spacely and Silverbells when I asked them their opinion of the horse. I originally saw this horse after the owner advertised it on another board and I thought it was supernice. It doesn't hurt that it was from my two favorite bloodlines. What bothered me was the fact that between the time the poster/owner "advertised" it and people (including me) were gushing all over it, the price went up by 20%. No one is saying the horse isn't worth it. The horse is worth whatever the market will bear. It just seems as though she had it advertised at one price, posted the links to it to show it off, people complimented her on it and she increased the price. Perhaps it was a coincidence and nothing more. However, it got in my craw enough that I won't contact the owner to inquire about purchasing it. I am sure it will not stop others as I am sure that he will turn out to be one super nice horse.
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I always appreciate your tips Tracey as you have a good eye).

Aww, thanks. I am just happy to enable anyone to buy more horses, especially when I can't buy them myself! :teehee:

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Some have their horses listed for sale in various places ( own sites , warmbloods for sale, Big Eq etc. ) and forget to change the prices there.... ooops. 
I am totally guilty of this, I put up ads, forget where I've put them, or lose my login/password and then have contradictory stuff out there. To try and cut down on it, I don't put as many ads out there, but that can be a double edged sword I guess. People don't see them, they won't inquire. What can you do?? I try to keep the prices on my website the most current, and specify in my ads that the price is subject to change w/o notice.
Does anyone have a good solution/suggestion on this? Does that seem reasonable?

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Or the ones that are priced by the breeder , and also priced by an agent...  there can sometimes be a $5,000 to $25,000 discrepancy.    :jaw:
Yah, isn't that nice??? I understand there are often lots of hands out- and everyone needs/wants to be compensated for their time, but geez louise! I understand why this happens, but I have to say that I really do not agree with many of the commission SCAMS operate.

I'm not at all offended SB, this is the internet after all, and people talk. ( Roses?, you shouldn't have!!!)
Its normal, and I'd be fibbing if I said I didnt check out other breeders sites to see how they price their youngsters, what they have coming and how they market it. I am an admitted window shopper. (drooler)

However, I only mentioned the possible increase due to commission scenario because a friend just went thru that on a sale horse. They had a bottom line price they needed, and the agent tacked on the additional so they could be paid. Am I incorrect to consider that a commission situation? :huh:

No matter, Sorry for Hijacking the OP's thread. :innocent:
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So, to get back to the original topic (or at least closer to it), what would you consider a reasonable price for the gelding I posted about above?

Also, in response to the problem of posting ads and forgetting to change the price as the horse ages, I have a "Sale Policies" section on my sales page that specifies my prices elsewhere are superceded by those on my website:
http://www.runningwaterwarmbloods.com/page4.html
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sixpoundfarm
Sep 23 2007, 12:02 PM
I understand why this happens, but I have to say that I really do not agree with many of the commission SCAMS operate.
However, I only mentioned the possible increase due to commission scenario because a friend just went thru that on a sale horse. They had a bottom line price they needed, and the agent tacked on the additional so they could be paid. Am I incorrect to consider that a commission situation? :huh:

No matter, Sorry for Hijacking the OP's thread. :innocent:

I do not feel you hijacked the thread at all... this is relevant in pricing a 2 year old. :sigh:

Runningwater... do you have a video of your handsome boy? It would be very hard to put a value on 2 pictures... <_<

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