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| Truly | Jul 18 2007, 03:54 PM Post #16 |
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I Visited Candy Mountain and All I Got Was This Lousy Incision
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I've been lurking for a while now lol and I'm not sure if my post will benefit any of you? I'm surprised to hear you don't have a governing body for your Hunter Breeding over there I'd like to share a link with you as it may help you with ideas ...it is our society for Hunters and Sporthorses, Ridden and In-hand. I've copied and pasted the basic info but you can look on the link for more info http://www.sporthorsegb.co.uk/index.htm OUR HISTORY (Back to top) Between the years of 1873 and 1882 no fewer than 197,002 horses were imported into England, chiefly for the army, at a relative cost today of £250 million. Consequently, the Government at that time was greatly in favour of encouraging the breeding of horses in this country. This crisis in the British Equestrian Industry coincided with a decision made at a November meeting in 1884 by the Hackney Horses Society’s Council. It was decided to include a class for thoroughbred stallions suitable for use as hunter sires at their annual show and a ‘Committee of Management’ was formed to administer this new venture. This was followed up a year later at another meeting where a proposal led to the formation of a Society for improving the breed of the hunter type horse. The existing Committee of Management responsible for the Thoroughbred Stallion Classes agreed to form the new Society, and the Hunter’s Improvement Society (H.I.S.) was born. In 1894, the Ministry of Agriculture and the War Office offered premiums at £150 to 29 Stallions in the scheme. The Army, via their remount officers, continued to play a major part in the Society's activities and the financial backing came from the same source right up until the outbreak of the Second World War. After the war, backing was continued by the Totalisator Board and then by the Horserace Betting Levy Board. Between 1996 - 1998 financial assistance was reduced and finally withdrawn and the Society has since had to sustain itself by it’s own operations. In 1981, the Society’s name was extended to “Hunter’s Improvement and National Light Horse Breeding Society”. This was intended to reflect the shift in the demand for horses for sport and leisure. In fact, with the Army now almost completely mechanised, the Society’s emphasis totally changed and breeders became much more selective. Quality was of the up most importance and the market for the ‘Competition Horse’ became very strong. To this aim, the Society started to register Stallions of other types whilst continuing with its established policy of making available the sound, strong, Thoroughbred Stallion. In 1998 the Society went through its most recent transition and became Sport Horse Breeding of Great Britain. The Society now grades and registers all breeds of horse with the main objective of producing a correct, sound, athletic sport horse with the potential to exceed in Show Jumping, Dressage or Eventing. THE SOCIETY TODAY (Back to top) Today Sport Horse Breeding of Great Britain is a professional Society run by a Council elected annually by its members. To date, SHB (GB) has over 3,500 members and a Council of up to 15 members. The Society has 3 sub-committees the Brood Mare Committee, Stallion Committee, and Show Committee who look after the operations of the Society in these areas. The objectives of the Society are to: 1. Maintain the Sport Horse Breeding of Great Britain Stud Books 2. Promote and market the achievements of British bred sport horses nationally and internationally 3. Operate schemes to improve the quality of British bred sport horses 4. Oversee the governance of Show Hunter and Sport Horse Classes nation wide The breeding objective of Sport Horse Breeding of Great Britain is to produce a correct, sound, athletic sport horse with the potential to exceed in Show Jumping, Dressage or Eventing. HUNTER CLASSES (Back to top) The Society is the governing body for all affiliated in-hand and ridden hunter and sport horse classes held at major shows throughout the country. Horses entering these classes have to be registered with SHB (GB). All Show Hunter and Sport Horse results are collated and recorded and performance printouts are available for competing horses. Our own “National Hunter Show” is held each September to determine the champion in-hand and ridden Hunter of the year. As a Registered Charity any money we make is put back into achieving our aims. |
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| Silver Bells | Jul 18 2007, 04:00 PM Post #17 |
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Magical Leopluridon
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BHILL, I understand why you felt compelled to tell your side. Please do not be discouraged, and continue to make HB shows avaialble in Florida. You have to remember you will never be able to please everyone. Keep Up The Good Work! I hope you have a great show... and please take pictures! Truly, thanks for the great information and insight. We do have a "governing body" called the USEF, and in my opinion there is room for improvement within this organization. Sometimes change is met with so much resistance... especially in the HB cliques. It seems they should think about taking some ideas from SHB GB. Thanks!
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| lauriep | Jul 18 2007, 04:11 PM Post #18 |
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Shunnnnn the unbeliever. Shunnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn.
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Thanks, Truly, that was very interesting and thought provoking. We do have "representation" via our HB committee, but I am not even sure how they get on the committee (Tish? Where are ya, girl?) The problem is that personal agendas of committee members can become rules without any input from we who support the division. There are breeders on the committee who really want to see it done right, but they find themselves in constant struggle with certain factions who see it as their personal playground. Typical US politics!! I know that you can't legislate every little thing, but the point is, you shouldn't HAVE to! One horse per handler, they trot at the speed that shows them off the best (determined by their handler) and braiding is at least optional with judges instructed not to let lack of braiding influence their decisions. Then, we the exhibitors, have to step up and acknowledge, when we don't win, that maybe it was because our horse wasn't as good as the one who beat him, not because he wasn't braided. |
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| Truly | Jul 18 2007, 04:34 PM Post #19 |
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I Visited Candy Mountain and All I Got Was This Lousy Incision
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Hi Silver Bells..we also have the Bristish Equestrian Federation but The SportHorse Breeding of Great Britain is for breeders to show in-hand and ridden hunter classes. Any Hunter breeding classes are run under SHGB rules and judges have to be registered and approved to be on the panel of Judges. |
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| Silver Bells | Jul 18 2007, 05:08 PM Post #20 |
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Truly, you have peaked my interest. I hope you don't mind if I "pick your brain" for information. Thanks again.... BTW... just for the record: The BHILL show is double pointed due to double judges. The show fees include a stall for 2 days, shavings, and the 2 classes. Entries come to $215. That's a deal, and also saving $75 braiding fees per horse and a free brunch... I am really not sure what all the fuss is about...
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| clearound | Jul 18 2007, 06:20 PM Post #21 |
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Thomas H. Cruise!
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Truly - Thank you for sharing what happens on the other side of the ocean. As a person who has been involved with showing hunters for the majority of my life, I am fairly new to the HB aspects. However, from what I have seen so far, it is highly political and a few select people who are not breeders or involved in HB often out muscle those who represent the people that are involved. |
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| spacely | Jul 18 2007, 07:14 PM Post #22 |
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Truly, thank you for sharing. That is very interesting. Alicia, thank you for explaining your show & how it works. If I didn't live across the country, I'd come. Sounds like great fun! HBJ, aka Kara, I am now certain this thread was started for no other reason than your unfounded, personal vendetta. I am glad that it has turned into a positive discussion about HB though. I am also relatively new to the HB scene, but not the hunter ring. I am still learning, but the past couple of years have been an eye opener. |
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| Truly | Jul 19 2007, 05:31 AM Post #23 |
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I Visited Candy Mountain and All I Got Was This Lousy Incision
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There does seem to be more politics involved compared to over here
We do have 'pros' that earn their living from showing horses they keep at livery (boarders) but mainly it is owners/breeders that show their own horses here. I can understand how you feel about the expenses involved as it does seem a lot more expensive than here. Re the braiding (we call it plaiting) we don't have professional braiders as most of us 'do it ourselves'...even the pro's plait themselves if they are only taking one or two horses to a show..if they have many horses at a show they will take a groom with them for help but the groom will plait a horse as part of their daily wages not as an extra. I can understand that braiding would be expensive if you have to get someone else to do it for you but I personally think it is part of showing to present a horse at a show nicely turned out :)...I feel I am letting my horse down if my horse and myself are not neatly presented. I think it is harder for a judge to see a horses true topline if the mane is not neatly plaited over as well. We very rarely get the same judge at our shows as we have a large panel but we do see the top placings usually in the same order and to be fair they are that way because they are the best horses..regardless of who is showing them...I have heard comments from other competitors with sour grapes but I find myself saying to them that I think 'they were the better horses in the class' I think all showing is is subjective to an individuals opinion and it's hard not to question (in one's own mind) what on earth was the judge thinking?..there have been days when I have thought this lol But I take my babies out for the experience for their ridden days in the future..it's just the icing on the cake if they win
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| nadia1 | Jul 19 2007, 10:58 AM Post #24 |
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Barrington Hill very nice reply, you have a very beautiful facilty and run a very nice show. Along with having some wonderful horses and loyal people who stand beside you, I believe the future is yours for the taking. Do not get overly upset with the critics, they obviously have too much time on their hands. Hey, we can't be loved by everyone, however if any person is affecting your business you have the right to respond to it in a legal way. Just a little tidbit. I come from the old school of hunters, but times do change and if you are to survive you must be somewhat flexible. So, keep up the good work and stay true to your beliefs.
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| alterme1 | Jul 19 2007, 12:59 PM Post #25 |
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I will only add that I chose not to attend the BH shows because of cost. I show at RMI with two judges and my show bill is $92 (that is hauling in - no stall). To show at BH it would cost me $192 (that is also hauling in - no stall). I can't justify the extra $100 (esp. $55 haul in fee and $25 service fee) While I realize it is expensive to put on a show, you have to make it cost effective for me to attend. I will not go back to Venice because it cost me $100 to show with only one judge/one set of points (again no stall). BH is a lovely facility though, just wish it wasn't cost prohibitave for me.
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| spacely | Jul 19 2007, 01:00 PM Post #26 |
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For what you get at BHill's shows (stall, shavings, entries, etc), it's a deal. There is no way I could show out here for that.
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| clearound | Jul 19 2007, 01:09 PM Post #27 |
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Thomas H. Cruise!
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While everyone has financial constraints and you have to do what iis financially feasible for you, are you "only adding" to this thread or to your previous posts? |
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| Norsire | Jul 19 2007, 02:28 PM Post #28 |
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Thomas H. Cruise!
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Randi you have such a way with words!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: |
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| clearound | Jul 19 2007, 02:44 PM Post #29 |
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Thomas H. Cruise!
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And I take it, that you are saying that in a "good" way. The only reason I asked what I did was that I was confused (small pea brain that I have) by he/she's alter, by it being their first post and by the language they used. I was not trying to start anything. Just curious. |
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| spacely | Jul 19 2007, 03:31 PM Post #30 |
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Very well said Randi!
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For what you get at BHill's shows (stall, shavings, entries, etc), it's a deal. There is no way I could show out here for that.

Very well said Randi!

12:21 PM Jul 11