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Judges for IHF eastern regional and Sallie Wheeler
Topic Started: Jul 5 2007, 07:47 PM (1,672 Views)
Silver Bells
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Magical Leopluridon
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According to Kathy Gilbertson at the IHF office, Thom Brede and Carol Moloney are judging IHF east.

Thom Brede is judging the Warrenton Horse Show.

The Sallie Wheeler seems to be "looking for judges" to commit. That is what I am waiting to hear since one of my horses is not eligable for IHF, one is sold, and I do not register for the under saddle or performance aspect of the IHF ... too young to do all that for me. So it's Warrenton and the Sallie Wheeler possibly.....:o
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lauriep
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Well, s__t! I was so hoping it was otherwise, and now I am back to HIM,AGAIN???!! It isn't right that he is judging all of these major assignments in such a short time.
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TishQ
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Sorry I haven't had time to check in here for a long time. I read this thread with great interest. I love showing my HB babies. I'm on the HB committee and we do try to make changes but it is a very long slow process. Several people (including judges) have told me I should get my card but I have not had time and don't know when I would have time to judge. Then there is the question of where I'd be able to judge....I don't want to judge horses that I show against so I'd have to get out of my own area. And, I don't think I am brave enough to walk into the lion's jaws of the east coast HB ring. I have not seen the politics be an issue in the west and I love it that way. Mostly we are all pretty friendly and basically behave ourselves.

As for the amateur handler classes...I think it is a great idea with a caveat or two. Every year we see a few new amateurs come to the HB ring without ever watching a class ahead of time. They don't have their horses properly turned out or proper bridles and they aren't dressed in an approprite manner and MOST IMPORTANT...they don't have control of their horses. That puts all of us at risk and that is a serious problem. I'm not saying that amateurs can't handle their horses....lots can!!!! But the ones who can't present a problem. Yes, we need to have more educational opportunities but, if they don't come watch a class and see what it is and how it works then they aren't doing their part.

At the Sallie B. Wheeler and IHF West we do a lovely luncheon that is sponsored by the Pacific Coast Horseshows Association. One of the requirements of their sponsorship is that we have an educational presentation. The day is too long and busy to do it during the day but.....That night I host a Champagne Celebration at my farm (very near the showgrounds) and we have an educational presentation. Last year it was done by the judge from the year before. Guess who sat and listened....the professionals and owners.....the only newcomer who sat through the whole presentation was one of my clients who is having us show her babies that will eventually be dressage horses....she loves the gentle education they get by going to the HB shows and they are lovely correct young horses and do fine. She loved it an said she learned a lot.

One of the HB horses that is leading the national points has been handled all year by a girl who came from the QH ranks and she started out with some of their style including the fact that the horse stood like a statue and trotted straight and true and was very polite. She has learned "our style" and is doing great. For the IHF and SBW she will use one of the very top handlers and is very excited to learn more from him.

The simple fact is that the longer you do it the more you learn....if you are paying attention and want to learn. Everybody started somewhere ....jump in and join the fun....and listen to Laurie....she's one of the best whether she takes 'em in the ring or not.
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Streetwise
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Is the process of obtaining a license for HB similar to the R license? Learner judging, etc.?
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Tish~ First, you should get your judge's card as you would be a great asset and a breath of desperately needed fresh air. Second, what you do every year for the Sallie Wheeler exhibitors is really admirable. I have heard from preple who have attended in the past what a great hostess you are. :)

I can only dream of HB shows on the east coast resembling those on the west coast without all the politics. Thanks for all you do.
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lauriep
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What SB said!!

Thanks, Tish, you are way too kind with your remarks re: me. I try to do what I believe, nothing more and nothing less. And I try to be objective and honest about what I see. When I was breeding and showing Dals, I hated kennel blindness, and probably went too far the other way in trying to see, and acknowledge, the holes in my dogs. I feel the same way about barn blindness. Last I looked, the perfect horse had yet to be born, and it certainly isn't in our barn. Although we do have some VERY nice ones!! LOL!!!
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Can anyone list some past in hand winners (or losers) who are performing? It is hard as buyers seem to change show names alot. I ask, because I want to educate my eye as to form and function and also because I want to know if fat babies are hurt by being zaftig!
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mbj, you have to remember two things about the weight of the HB babies:

1) They shouldn't be just fat, as that is certainly not the look wanted. They should have a layer of fat over the ribs, so you can't see them, but can certainly feel them with a little pressure. They should be nicely rounded, with an arched neck (a thin neck won't look arched) and rounded rump. BUT, they also need to be nicely muscled, as that is what truly gives them the shape you want. There is a misperception, IMO, about how fat these babies need to be. No, they shouldn't look deprived, but neither should they look soft and out of shape. It is a fine line between the two, and takes a real horseman to do it and have it come out properly.

2) These babies, during their HB careers, for the most part aren't being asked to do anything other than be jogged in hand. Yes, a few prepare for the 2 y.o. under saddle, one or two classes, and some show in hand as 3 y.o.s AND do the 3 y.o. division, but when they start to really work, the weight comes off of them so they don't have that stress on young joints and bones. They play harder in the field then they are asked to work. Of course there are exceptions, but those that do it right don't work (or HAVE) obese babies.

I don't know the answer to your question as to how many go on to performance careers. I wish I did. I can only speak to our horses, and every one we have that live with us will be started in performance careers as their physical and mental development allow. We don't want horses that are useless as performance animals. I do know that the 2 and 3 year old national champions in hand from last year ( who were yearling and 2 y.o. champs from prev. year) are both dead, so they won't be able to tell us anything (3 y.o. had started u/s and was going well, I am told). The yearling champ from last year is no longer in our barn, so don't know what is going on with her.

Who is going to volunteer to keep track?? LOL!!!
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mbj
Jul 15 2007, 06:18 PM
Can anyone list some past in hand winners (or losers) who are performing? It is hard as buyers seem to change show names alot. I ask, because I want to educate my eye as to form and function and also because I want to know if fat babies are hurt by being zaftig!

Cindi and I are in the process of doing this very research for an article...

IF anyone could provide us with names, pictures etc. it would be greatly appreciated! :yes:

My email is wcr0915@msn.com
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mbj
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That is very sad that the 2 National HB Champions are dead. What happened? I wish horses weren't so darn fragile despite their strength.

I am thrilled that someone is doing the research on theso top babies. How do you track them through the name changes? Kudos!!! They are lovely, and certainly look like athletes.

I didn't mean they were so fat they shouldn't be ridden. I was actually wondering more about metabolic problems,heart, colic, and maybe ocd. And I feel like a hypocrite as my now 4 year old TB resembles a very prosperous welsh pony despite minimal ration blancer,plenty of exersize, and a muzzle at night!
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TishQ
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Yes, HB judges go through the same requirements of learner judging and clinic attendance as Hunter judges. Sometimes there is a "Fast-Track" option for people who are very actively involved but I have not inquired about it.

Thanks for the kind words about our festivities during the IHF and SBW. You are all invited ....if you will come help set up and clean up....'cause I have a bunch to do in the IHF the next morning.

January's Best was undefeated on the line and went on to a truly spectacular performance career....circuit champion in Indio and Palm Beach, champion at Devon, the Garden and Washington.....and many more.

Just The Best and More Than Luck both did the IHF HB stuff and then went on to be champions in the 4' Hunters and More Than Luck was very successful in the jumpers.

Laurie, who were the champions who died. E-mail me if you would rather.
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I believe one of the horses that died is Foxy's Remember When. I think he colicked. I do not know who the other is.
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I have volunteered a million times and I am volunteering again. I will do whatever steps or keep track of whatever needs to be done to help these situations. Please, please, please tell me what we need to do. I love HB and I don't want it to continue to go downhill. I am good friends with LaurieP and I am sure she will vouch that I am someone who can handle anything what needs to be done.
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Well... I think it's official... Randy Roy & Otis Brown are the judges for the Sallie B Wheeler event. :unsure:
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Well, at least they are new faces. I am told that it is VERY hard to get judges to go these classes.
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