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| Judges for IHF eastern regional and Sallie Wheeler | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Jul 5 2007, 07:47 PM (1,674 Views) | |
| lauriep | Jul 8 2007, 07:05 PM Post #16 |
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Shunnnnn the unbeliever. Shunnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn.
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But she did seem to find the right ones, in pretty much the right order, in most of the classes. Except that this person was always in front. |
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| Norsire | Jul 8 2007, 08:47 PM Post #17 |
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Thomas H. Cruise!
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I've pinned many a class by simply looking at the program and seeing "who" the handler was and what politics were involved at a show!!! I do find it very sad when a very correct horses is passed over for an incorrect one. I've seen more club feet and lame horses that still win over very nice correct and sounds horses...mind boggling. You must have the "policticly" correct handler too and it will very from show to show. It is very disheartening for sure. I am not bitter either my filly Annie's Gold Charm by Zillionair out of Cassie's Gold by Strike The Gold the won the 2007 TB foals this year at Upperville. She was purchased 10 day before the show by Genevieve/Glenhill and we were both thrilled she won..so sometimes politics don't come into play, but it is rare when it does not come into play. I have no problem with fair judging, but when you see some of the things that win that clearly should not it is just very discouraging to even bother with the on the line shows. I would love to see some new blood in the judges areana with honest and fair judging. But until then it is hard to convince people to play when the field is not on the level. |
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| mpetrecz | Jul 8 2007, 09:40 PM Post #18 |
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Thomas H. Cruise!
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As I said, I'll support any one here that wants to get their breed judge card. I plan on showing the girls next year,,,......if I don't stink up the ring too badly. I've allready talked to Ray and he wants to meet Kiddie. She is related to his old stallion Grand Prospect. It'll be great just hearing his opinion of her, and listening to him talk about the grand old man. I hope she stays as quiet and sensible as she is.....maybe he could take her in for me.OffTopic....Kiddie's head is getting lovely!!!!! The dents are filled in and she looks araby...big broad eye, teacup nose........and....Kiddie got her feet rasped tday....th blacksmith said she is the best behaved baby he's ever worked on. then he rattled on about great this and fabulas that......hows she's the entire package....yadda yadda......LOL....my head swelled twice it's size. Oh we won't talk about the small challenging little pony miss hailey. <_<Who tried to flip over and drug me around for a minute before giving up and stopped fighting that predator with the nippers and rasp......til she grabbed his shirt and wouldn't let go. My little darling. I guess he was sweating and it was hot......sooo.......she didn't think he needed it. She has NEVER done this to me. ponies????????fillies?????????brats???????? Bring a girl she did show off the new tootsies proudly when she was turned out.I quess it's time to get into playing politics mode!!! scheez. It's late, I'm over tired and it's been too hot........sorry for rambling and going off topic. Mary
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| HeartofGoldFarm | Jul 8 2007, 10:47 PM Post #19 |
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Shunnnnn the unbeliever. Shunnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn.
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I didn't say that good presentation didn't matter; I said that if I had a well turned out, top quality horse, and let's say for the sake of argument, I just happened to present it well, that it shouldn't matter whether the judge knows me or not. The horse should matter, and I agree the presentation should matter, whether I am a famous pro or not or whether I have lunch with the judge regularly should NOT matter. And don't tell me that it doesn't or else you would not be complaining about judges and classes that are pre-ordained. And while there may not be RULE of one horse, one handler, in practice that is how it works out. I don't expect that to change, but it is part of why handler politics are so powerful in hunter breeding. In DSHB handlers can take many horses in per class and anyone can get the big name handlers thereby diluting the politics of only the one horse held by the handler du jour having a chance. And no, I don't expect there will be classes for amateurs ever insitituted. But since that is the case, and everyone seems to have such a disdainful attitude toward amateurs competing in regular classes, I don't expect there will be a big influx of new blood in hunter breeding competitors any time soon. And I really believe the general discouragement people feel over the politics of hunter breeding--not just for amateurs but for people who are using a pro handler who doesn't happen to be the judges favorite--coupled with the attitude that hunter breeding champions seldom become performance champions, is going to lead to a dwindling of interest in hunter breeding in the future. Just the opinion of a breeder who has likely youngsters and has considered entering hunter breeding, both by hiring a handler and doing it themselves, and has been generally discouraged to do so. Norsire I agree with everything you said. |
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| lauriep | Jul 9 2007, 03:35 AM Post #20 |
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Shunnnnn the unbeliever. Shunnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn.
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HOG, it isn't an attitude that HB horses seem to not go on to performance careers. It is currently a fact, but a fact that absolutely needs changing! I hate that it is the feeling that these young horses aren't seen again after their HB careers, but until we all get some of these nice babies into the performance ring and show the general public they can compete, don't shoot this messenger for saying what is true. And if you can really go in and do a credible job showing your horse, you should certainly get the placement you are due based on the quality of your horse. Absolutely. But don't be offended by my comments on what I see in the ring on the part of amateurs. Some are VERY good, many are not, and those are the ones I am addressing. I'm probably going to be out there next year paying MY dues, as I just bought a pony that Junior may not be able to show due to clients' needs. And I am completely OK with the fact that I WON'T win until I get comfortable doing it and am able to control my nerves, my personal weakness. But I'm not going to feel discouraged or intimidated. |
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| virginiabred | Jul 9 2007, 03:53 AM Post #21 |
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Thomas H. Cruise!
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And lauriep will do a stellar job, as she easily knows as much as any of the best judges. Besides, her new purchase is stunning..................
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| Fenway | Jul 9 2007, 03:59 AM Post #22 |
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Guiding your way to Candy Mountain, since 1873.
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Yes, what a handsome boy. Congrats! |
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| Silver Bells | Jul 9 2007, 04:25 AM Post #23 |
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Magical Leopluridon
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Lauriep you are so right about "showing the horse". Handlers have to show the horse from the moment they enter the ring until the class is actually pinned. I see so many pros stop showing after they jog. They seem to just take it for granted. This is where I see the loophole for up and coming handlers. Of course, looking the part and being well turned out is also another story. That is a pet peeve of mine. Anyway, I am glad more people are taking the iniative to give this HB showing a shot. I think Lauriep would make an excellent handler and judge. I am also trying to convince my friend Cindi Deibert to handle all of our horses and get her judge's card. She has a great feel for a horse. We need to bring back the lustre of good old fashioned showmanship in every sense of the word, and it needs to be rewarded! Good turnout for both handler and horse, good conformation, and a level playing field. Show the horse the entire time it's in the ring. I hate all this talk of horses disapperaring after an "on the line' career, many do go on. It's just that the HB community doesn't follow them in the performance divisions as they are focusing on the young horses. I also disagree about BNT's not buying from the HB breeding ring. I personally, coupled with Cindi, are constantly approached about our horses being for sale. We maintain a balance between HB & Performance shows, and I think this enables us to keep up with the "pulse of things". The trends in both venues are constantly changing. |
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| Silver Bells | Jul 9 2007, 04:37 AM Post #24 |
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Magical Leopluridon
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Back to the topic at hand... something has to be done about the current HB shows and new blood is desperately needed but... I still say the power of the wallet will have the most impact. Be very selective about where you show, and pay close attention to the officials. Keep a list of what judges you think did a good job, who were consistently good or bad, and who were "starstruck". Also keep in mind that when some judges get to high profile shows... strange things may happen! Remember we are PAYING for these opinions and services! Would you keep spending money in other areas of your life where you were dissatisfied time and again? ![]() Try HB showing... you'll like it! It can be very rewarding despite the political issues that exist, which as we know are not isolated to this discipline. I have ALWAYS been one to fight the odds, and I will continue to do so. Besides I am hopelessly addicted to horses. I really hope to see more people involved. There is a PA HB Futurity Benefit show at Mileview this Sunday.... come and check it out.
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| desilu | Jul 9 2007, 07:24 AM Post #25 |
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Magical Leopluridon
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Just as a question to the side.........where do all the babies go that win on the line if they don't show up in the show ring as performance horses? Are they unable to perform or do they get sold to people who can't perform, for 1 reason or the other, financial, desire, talent.....etc Do they just end up breeding more beautiful babies that don't perform? Just wondering..... |
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| lauriep | Jul 9 2007, 12:36 PM Post #26 |
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Shunnnnn the unbeliever. Shunnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn.
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I just heard from a reliable source that Thom is not judging the IHF - Eastern. Rick Abbott and Randy Roy are the names I was given, and it seems that the Sallie Wheeler is still w/o judges as everyone who has been asked has backed out or turned it down. So, the plot thickens... |
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| Silver Bells | Jul 9 2007, 12:48 PM Post #27 |
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Magical Leopluridon
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I also heard the same information. Danny Robertshaw was another name that was tossed into the hat...also Otis Brown. I hope Rick Abbott reconsiders. I believe he acts as an agent at the Fasig Tipton and other sales/auctions throughout the Mid-Atlantic region. It would not be unlikely that a horse from a deal he was involved with, could wind up being judged by him in the ring.... ![]() lauriep.... Is Thom still judging Warrenton? Someone needs to check with Kathy Gilbertson at the IHF... she may have some answers. |
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| lauriep | Jul 9 2007, 01:26 PM Post #28 |
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Shunnnnn the unbeliever. Shunnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn.
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I think Thom is still doing the regular breeding classes. I have found that getting info from IHF is, um, difficult to say the least. Do you have an inside source?? As long as the horse deal was 30 days out, he would be ok to judge, per the rules. Because our judging pool is soooo small, I'm afraid that if we tried to eliminate everyone who might have done horse deals, we'd have no one left. Which may not be such a bad thing after all!!!! I wish Rodney wasn't so busy with the race horses... |
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| Silver Bells | Jul 9 2007, 01:51 PM Post #29 |
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Magical Leopluridon
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If only.... <_< I doubt he would be at the top of the list.... after all he doesn't play politics. |
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| Norsire | Jul 9 2007, 07:08 PM Post #30 |
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Thomas H. Cruise!
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Boy isn't that the truth!!! Rodney has always been so fair with judging IMHO!!! I have a gorgeous mare that was given to me this year that was at the track with him...small world. |
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I've allready talked to Ray and he wants to meet Kiddie. She is related to his old stallion Grand Prospect. It'll be great just hearing his opinion of her, and listening to him talk about the grand old man. I hope she stays as quiet and sensible as she is.....maybe he could take her in for me.


Good turnout for both handler and horse, good conformation, and a level playing field. Show the horse the entire time it's in the ring.


12:21 PM Jul 11