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| Big Vent; Why oh why must people be so snarky | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Jun 6 2007, 09:59 AM (1,814 Views) | |
| mpetrecz | Jun 6 2007, 09:59 AM Post #1 |
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Thomas H. Cruise!
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On another board there is a discussion about hunter sires that have or are performing. Great, I've been reading it, I like hearing about hunter stallions......can't get enough of it. There was a post about a stallion that can't jump and how popular it is. then the there has to be a post that asks....does it have bling and color????? for the other hunter breeders?????? Excuse me???!!!!!!! I really wanted to respond, and ask how many plain stallions are breeding and how well are they doing???? Overall??? give me a break, there are alot of breeders that are producing colorful horses...aiming them into the hunter ring....constantly breeding for that beautiful animal that will perform in the hunters as well. My filly's dad has a lot of nice hunters competing on the line and in the hunter ring.....there are alot of breeders of colorful horses that can say the same thing. How's about Popeye K????? Bling!!!!!! I guess there really is no responce, these people will always know more, and alwys be better informed.....and unfortunately go unchallenged. I don't know why I still read those boards. Mary |
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| spacely | Jun 6 2007, 10:04 AM Post #2 |
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Chief Dragon Herder
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I know what thread you are talking about. Have to go read - I'm not afriad to open my mouth. IMO, it seems that thread was created to plug Cunningham because the OP is his biggest fan. He's not all he's cracked up to be. ![]() The Cabardino comments really pissed me off too.
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| lhunterl | Jun 6 2007, 10:09 AM Post #3 |
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Is the meadow on fire?
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what bothers me a bit is that when saying that any horse is "leading his division", one has to take into account the fact that he's done more shows than the horses below him. Leading a division may or may not mean anything. |
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| mpetrecz | Jun 6 2007, 10:30 AM Post #4 |
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Thomas H. Cruise!
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If they want to do a backdoor plug for a stallion, great.... <_< ...plug away. I just think they cross a line and are snarky to others unprovoked..... ......and that's just not right.I fight best grabbing my hat and heading for the door Spacely. Wish I were more of a fighter, but I know jumping in will end in a fight. I'm so glad we have this board....thanks so much Outsidecourse ops!!!!! Mary |
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| spacely | Jun 6 2007, 10:54 AM Post #5 |
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Chief Dragon Herder
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MP, I went & read. I'm not getting into it. The person that made the comment about color & chrome is full of hot air too and one of those that believes that if a horse is sucessful on the line, it won't or can't be sucessful in the ring. That is a load of crap if you ask me. ![]() I find talking to the OP is like talking to a wall anyhow. ![]() Thank Tom for this board!
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| mpetrecz | Jun 6 2007, 12:59 PM Post #6 |
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Thomas H. Cruise!
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Thanks Spacely...you are a sweetheart! I did see no-one took her ball and ran, the thread is actually good right now. I don't know her/him and am glad to know who piles the BS. Where did you find that little bs icon????? How appropriate!!! How cute! Have a great day everyone!!!!! Mary |
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| spacely | Jun 6 2007, 01:05 PM Post #7 |
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Chief Dragon Herder
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I found the BS icon on another site. You can post those little smiley guys just like you do a pic. I think people are becoming wise to the BS comments. ![]() |
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| fossiloverfences | Jun 7 2007, 03:02 PM Post #8 |
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Shunnnnn the unbeliever. Shunnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn.
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Thank you all! so nice to be talked about and in such glowing terms
- Yes, I posted about bling and color because the question was "why would a stallion with no performance record get lots of breedings" and I asked if the stallion had bling and color. I did not and have never said that HAVING bling and color meant not a good stallion. You maybe haven't read the whole thread. It has to do with breeding to hunter stallions that have performance records. We do like color in this country. Great. I don't happen to endorse breeding just FOR color, but everyone is free to make their own choices. Hurrah! Ande if you read the other thread about how to get people to buy babies, you will see my other opinion, if you care to, that if I were breeding to sell foals, my choices could very well be based on color and celebrity. Why not if my business was to get foals sold? Why get so sensitive to the suggestion that some breeding decisions are made for the market? And Spacely, please remember, I know you hate to, that I have always said: prove me wrong! I would love to know that the hunter breeding winners go on to have stellar show careers. I know there have been a few, I just don't know that many, and I have been showing hunters and jumpers for over - hmm - 40 years now. I think the qualities we look for in babies that win on the line may NOT be qualities that make for triumphant atheletes. But I could be wrong. Great. I am very opinionated, it is true, about a sport both I and my mother have been involved in for over a century. I cherish facts and am one of those who is pushing to get a better data base for our hunters, with breeding data, so the facts are available. Shower me with facts, and I will be persuaded! I am going to follow the Devon winners, as my own desire is to see what does become of them. And I have all ready made a list of their breeding, so I look forward to the experiment. I wish the best for them. I hope to see them winning in the hunters at Devon in years to come
So, guys! Lighten up. This old lady has been to so many shows, I should own the grounds of some of them now. And please, be sure the sources you so heartily endorse are as expert as they present themselves to be. Frequency of posting does not always equal knowledge. |
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| happy mouth | Jun 7 2007, 04:23 PM Post #9 |
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Shunnnnn the unbeliever. Shunnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn.
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I could not have written that response any better. Very well said. I am in complete agreement. Hurrah to you. |
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| Powder Coated | Jun 7 2007, 04:50 PM Post #10 |
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Shunnnnn the unbeliever. Shunnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn.
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Here's my little vent..........I am not getting into a pissing match........but I do have to say on a couple of chat boards lately (even one of the Canadian boards) I have read over and over again that line horses don't make good performance horses??? I have bit my tongue but I am so tired of hearing this....... I am well aware not all line horses are going to make good hunters or jumpers but you can also say the same thing about all well bred hunters and jumper youngsters whether they are in a field just growing up or showing at a breed show. I breed my mares to the stallions that suits their needs most......I do prefer chrome on the stallions I choose, but that is not a deal breaker for me if he matches well to my mare......that is just my personal preference. I am new to showing my young horses on the line......I take my horses out starting around 2 years old to the line shows to get them show experience. The last 2 horses I have taken out on the line happened to win ALOT......Judges loved their type....they both have many,many,many in hand Championships under their belts.........so does this mean they are not going to make good athletic horses under saddle?? Oh....I forgot to mention both of these horses are by Popeye K out of my amazing tb mare. Both of these horses have just started their career and they are just unbelieveable sport horses. My now 5 year old mare was doing awesome under saddle and had wonderful form over fences......she is now being bred to have a foal for me before she goes back to the show ring. Her full brother is heading for the young jumper development classes this year because he has tons of scope for the jumper ring. Here are some pics of him doing the line classes thing as a 3 year old.... http://pets.webshots.com/photo/2514075300075568778TkkhqD Here are pics of him as a 4 year old schooling today http://pets.webshots.com/photo/2271473350075568778fXZrjq http://pets.webshots.com/photo/2712738950075568778JTpxyZ http://pets.webshots.com/photo/2336869610075568778nUVSbU |
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| fossiloverfences | Jun 7 2007, 05:50 PM Post #11 |
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Shunnnnn the unbeliever. Shunnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn.
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Powder Coated - congratulations and I mean it! I WANT to be proved wrong. I haven't invested a lifetime in hunters and jumpers to think we have created a system where the youngsters that are to be our future stars are NOT our future stars. I am just one person with an opinion. I am sure I am not always right - maybe not right most of the time! - but I would hope that having an opinion, given my long history in this world of H/J, does not lead to being dissed as badly as happened above.This forum, above all, should be sensitive to that! So, PC, again, congratulations!! You have presented just the kind of data I love! |
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| fossiloverfences | Jun 7 2007, 05:53 PM Post #12 |
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Shunnnnn the unbeliever. Shunnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn.
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and PC - your horses are lovely as I have commented on COTH when you and I are posting under different nom's du plume! Someone I know and admire just bought your Voltaire babe! |
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| La Gringa | Jun 7 2007, 06:36 PM Post #13 |
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FOF, your horses are gorgeous and I must say I like what you post. It was Simone's photo as a youngster looking over that door that got me really excited about breeding, I fell in love with her (I also loved Sir Caletto, and other offspring if his), and to my amazement I got a very similar filly myself! Is that luck or what? I couldn't afford SC's fees so I searched for what I could afford but with similar qualities, and potential... I too want to see a stallion perform well, if I am going to breed to him. Even though I am taking a risk with a very young and unproven stallion in the show ring.. he has proven himself in his tests in Germany and I respect the knowlege of his owner (a GP rider himself) to select a stallion that has some ability. Looks are important, , but that pretty horse needs to be able to do something... A well put together horse should be able to perform. Theoretically their conformation allows them to do so but of course there are other factors involved.. training, the right people bringing them along, willingness, heart, a desire to work and show etc. There are many many factors in addition to the pretty picture. Conformation, pretty looks, plus the a good mind are what really make a good performance horse. If a horse can jump but nobody can ride them what value are they? Soundness is also a very big issue with breeding. People should not breed to horses that have themselves had issues with soundness or produce offspring that have weak legs, feet, or other health issues. That to me is very important. There are so many things to think about when choosing breeding horses. It's mind boggling if you really think about it, and then in the end even with all the ducks in a row, it's still a gamble. Who knows if they are going to throw some gene from way back that is really out there... and not what you want. I guess that's where experience comes in.. good breeders with experience will know what crosses tend to produce what... at least most of the time. I was fortunate to have a mare that has talent, personality and look herself. I really am puzzled by people that put so much emphasis on just the stallion.. what about the mare??? When I went shopping for a broodmare I looked high and low for a WB mare with the qualities I wanted as well. I got very lucky and found one very reasonably priced and with good bloodlines and ablity to boot. I think people need to educate themselves thoroughly on all aspects of breeding and do what is right for them and also what will produce a horse that will be valuable to someone..... for whatever dicipline they are doing. In France and Germany to breed the world class horses they do they do their homework. They select the horses on both sides to produce good babies. We should do the same here... I have owned and ridden horses all my life (30+) years. I know good horses, and what to look for but I still have sooo much to learn in breeding. There is so much to know. |
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| Powder Coated | Jun 7 2007, 07:02 PM Post #14 |
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Shunnnnn the unbeliever. Shunnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn.
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FOF...thank-you
.......as you also know from COTH I to really love what your mare is producing and value your experience. It has just been hard to see all these threads in the past few weeks about line horses and hunter sires....I just had to share my experiences with the line and future show horses. I could not have ask for a better home for my Voltaire colt........I am so excitied for them both!La Ginge.....you are so right.....the mare is key.... My foundation mare was also a great competition horse for me before she was a broodmare.......so many great traits I see in her..... I also see in her kids. |
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| monami | Jun 7 2007, 07:08 PM Post #15 |
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Shunnnnn the unbeliever. Shunnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn.
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PC- I live very close to you colt's future home... Could not have gone to a better person!!!! Congrats to the both of you!!!! and I agree with you FOF... Breeding is so much more then just breeding a "name" to some mare. It amazes me that so many people will buy based on a name alone !!! |
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I know what thread you are talking about. Have to go read - I'm not afriad to open my mouth. IMO, it seems that thread was created to plug Cunningham because the OP is his biggest fan. He's not all he's cracked up to be. 
......and that's just not right.

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