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| Tweet Topic Started: Jun 6 2007, 03:47 AM (1,065 Views) | |
| spike25 | Jun 6 2007, 03:47 AM Post #1 |
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I Visited Candy Mountain and All I Got Was This Lousy Incision
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What is your opinion on ulcer meds? What experiences do you all have and what do you feel is the best one to use? Does your horse need an official vet diagnosis or can you use them if you strongly suspect ulcers or want to prevent them? Is there a preventive med as well as one that heals or are they the same? Losts of questions! Thanks in advance! |
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| Quinn | Jun 6 2007, 06:28 AM Post #2 |
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We're on a bridge, Chaaaaaaaaarlie!
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I bought a mare from Finger Lakes NY track and she arrived very very thin. I attributed that to the fact she had been racing right up to ship date. However, even with being wormed and having the best feed in front of her she gained no weight. I put her on Omega Gastro and the change in her demeanor was apparent immediately. She is out on pasture now but is still being given her twice daily dose and I continue to see improvement.
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| DairyQueen2049 | Jun 6 2007, 06:30 AM Post #3 |
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DRAGON BREATH. DRAGGIN' BUTT
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We've been using GUT on our new gelding - a Ukele product (they also make Cocosoya) http://www.uenutrition.com/productlist_3.html |
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| BABYGREENTB | Jun 6 2007, 08:14 AM Post #4 |
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It'll be an adventure! We're going on an adventure!
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GastroGard/UlcerGard are some of the only ones that contain Omeprazole (sp?), which is the only ingredient proven to heal ulcers (accdg to my vet). It's pretty expensive, but works like a charm. For my horse, we did a 30 day 1/2 tube/day treatment, now he has switched to U-Gard as a maintenance supplement...seems to be working ok. |
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| La Gringa | Jun 6 2007, 05:23 PM Post #5 |
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Starving Artist
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If you know anyone living near the Mexican Border you can get Omeprazole by the box much cheaper down there and crush it up. I did that for my mare while I lived in South America. A box a day (like the entire box of Prilosec crushed up) and just added it to her feed. We did a month of this a box a day. Worked like a charm. |
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| spike25 | Jun 6 2007, 05:44 PM Post #6 |
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I Visited Candy Mountain and All I Got Was This Lousy Incision
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Thanks for the info! I did talk to my vet today and he said much of what you all did. Scoping needs to be done at a clinic-he doesn't have that kind of scope, gastro guard is very expensive but worth it if needed. If the horse isn't showing any clinical signs of ulcers to start him on-dang, can't think of the name of the stuff, started with an r..........He said to try some of the over the counter stuff and see if it helps and go from there. The only real questionable symptoms are the horse is usually fairly steady at home but get a bit up at competitions. Up as in not really nervous but tense and looking ofr things to be worried about. He is 10 and did have not the nicest early life. I'll let you know how things go with this guy-thanks again! |
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| jn4jenny | Jun 6 2007, 07:55 PM Post #7 |
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Is the meadow on fire?
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Some of the real die-hards on TOB will make a big fuss about this advice, but you can get generic omeprazole paste and generic omeprazole powder. The powder allegedly costs less than $1.00 per day. This site talks about the many omeprazole options: http://www.lunatunesfreestyles.com/Ulcers,...and%20hocks.htm The only proven ulcer treatment is GastroGard/UlcerGard, but needless to say, plenty of folks in the horse world use non-proven oral products of all kinds and see results. Most folks I know invest in a week's worth of UlcerGard/GastroGard and if they see a difference in a week, they proceed with ulcer treatment. If they don't, it's still often a cheaper experiment than scoping. |
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| Black Tack | Jun 7 2007, 10:06 AM Post #8 |
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You're BANNED!
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Ya, our trainer also believed in treating the symptoms, since it is so expensive to scope. We did Omeprezole for a week, noticed a happier fellow, especially grooming and not so pushy handling, and then kept him on the treatment for a month. I still have a bit and I give it to him when he has had to go on bute, be trailered or anything else that I think might cause a flair up. He gets Tums for treats daily. I figure it can't hurt and he likes them. And I took him off of feed with molasses/much sugar in it which also seems to have helped. If it's just that your horse gets up at the shows, could you try ear stuffs? Or do you already do that? |
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| One Star | Jun 11 2007, 07:03 AM Post #9 |
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We're on a bridge, Chaaaaaaaaarlie!
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My OTTB event horse exhibited all the classic ulcer signs -- inability to keep good weight on, teeth-grinding, nervous behavior at events, loss of serious weight after long trailer rides, etc. -- so my vet recommended that we put him on GastroGard. It is frightfully expensive, and even after much Internet shopping, the lowest price I could find was $32.99 a tube. With a loading dose treatment at a tube a day for 28 days, that was almost $950. He's now on the maintenance dose of a 1/4 tube a day, and the vet has also recommended that I put him on Manuka LR, which is active manuka honey and DGL licorice, and provides natural support in the relief of gastric and peptic ulcers. It inhibits the growth of helicobacter pylori, the bacteria that causes digestive illnesses. You can read more about Manuka LR here: http://www.emeraldvalleyequine.com/index.htm?ac=ENCBM-H |
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| Scotchie | Jun 14 2007, 04:26 AM Post #10 |
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Shunnnnn the unbeliever. Shunnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn.
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As an aside- I found Gastroguard at Mountain Vet (800-626-7303) for $29/tube if you buy the 28 days. KBC International (800-928-7777) has it for $30.
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| EQbitch | Jun 14 2007, 12:31 PM Post #11 |
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Schooling
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neighlox is the best. I use it on my horse. |
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| One Star | Jun 18 2007, 10:35 AM Post #12 |
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We're on a bridge, Chaaaaaaaaarlie!
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Neighlox is merely a buffered antacid: dihydroxy-aluminium, sodium carbonate and calcium carbonate with aluminium phosphate as a gentle coating agent. It is a palliative agent that does not solve the problem of gastric and peptic ulcers, it merely soothes them. GastroGard and UlcerGard contain omeprazole, a proton pump inhibitor, which suppresses the production of excess stomach acid. As I mentioned before, Manuka LR also acts to solve the gastric problem by eliminating the H. Pylori bacteria that contributes to the cause of gastric and peptic ulcers. |
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| One Star | Jun 18 2007, 10:35 AM Post #13 |
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We're on a bridge, Chaaaaaaaaarlie!
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Thanks for that price-chopping hint!
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| sixpoundfarm | Jun 18 2007, 12:20 PM Post #14 |
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Shunnnnn the unbeliever. Shunnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn.
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I have used the generic powdered omeprazole with success. I did the UlcerGard for the first month, then switched to a lower dose of the powder. I am presently trying some other non pharmaceutical method of attack, because I dont want my horse on drugs forever. My current routine includes a change in diet to almost all forage (Combo of Grass hay, soaked beet pulp and alfalfa pellets) Progressive grass diet balancer with Envision fat supplement, adding 4 oz daily of Oat flour, pre/pro biotics and I'm trying the ABC's Ulcerase product too. I have definately seen a positive change in behavior, outward appearance and mental status. I dont think I could do this routine if she were boarded out however. Good luck to you! |
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| MAR | Jun 18 2007, 06:27 PM Post #15 |
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Thomas H. Cruise!
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Just so you know...I had one scoped that had been on the generic powder for two months, and he had a CRATER in his stomach. |
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