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DEBATES; Debate on certain topics here
Topic Started: Mar 19 2009, 09:42 PM (459 Views)
icyevilchief
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Mar 19 2009, 11:15 PM
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Mar 19 2009, 11:10 PM
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Mar 19 2009, 11:07 PM
You're saying that 'post count = helpfulness 100% of the time', then? That's just plain wrong. Post count is indeed mostly equivalent to activity, but with the count enabled in boards like the two we're discussing, all of your posts could be useless spam for all we know. At least it's a requirement to stay on topic and discuss what this place is for on all of the 'main' boards.

No offense but when i am givin a topic to talk about i stay on topic (may occasionally stray but for the most part) i don't spam

I'm not saying you spam. I'm talking about posters in general. I'm not aiming at anyone here. What I'm saying is that a user is able to easily inflate the post count by posting anything irrelevant to what the board is for. The posters with a high post count here tend to have a large portion of their posts in these boards, most of which do not contribute to the forum as a whole. Only posts contributing to LPs and other related subjects should be counted.

Well from what i've seen (on these forums at least) there is very little to no spam
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There is little to no spam in any board except for the Spam Can and Forum Games, which are made for all the spammy posts you want to make. I'm going to use an example here. In the Forum Games subsection, many, many games result in one-two word posts, which contribute little and are largely done just to increase post count. While I have relatively few posts, I make sure to make every post I do as in-depth and meaningful as possible. It somewhat irritates me when I see somebody who made it to a very high post count based on extremely short posts that lack depth. I don't know, it may be a terrible thing for me to think that way, but that's how I feel. It may have something to do with me being something of a writer. In any case, I don't like these two forums for that very reason, and I see no reason for posts to be counted there when the vast majority don't contribute anything to our little community. That is all. I am tired, so I'm going to bed. Talk to you all tomorrow.
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Mar 19 2009, 11:27 PM
There is little to no spam in any board except for the Spam Can and Forum Games, which are made for all the spammy posts you want to make. I'm going to use an example here. In the Forum Games subsection, many, many games result in one-two word posts, which contribute little and are largely done just to increase post count. While I have relatively few posts, I make sure to make every post I do as in-depth and meaningful as possible. It somewhat irritates me when I see somebody who made it to a very high post count based on extremely short posts that lack depth. I don't know, it may be a terrible thing for me to think that way, but that's how I feel. It may have something to do with me being something of a writer. In any case, I don't like these two forums for that very reason, and I see no reason for posts to be counted there when the vast majority don't contribute anything to our little community. That is all. I am tired, so I'm going to bed. Talk to you all tomorrow.

the only post i've seen that are very few words are the game's like 1,3 or 5 word story but that's about the only "spam" i've seen
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I can honestly understand the whole post count = more helpful, but that's why we have a Let's Help portion; so anyone can help. If someone wants to PM someone for help then have at it, it's one of the reasons we have the whole PM system.
Now then a couple things:
1. Why does everyone give a damn about the count all of a sudden? Like I said, I understand the help thing, but that's why we have Let's Help place. USE IT.
2. Why the spam can? That place hasn't been spammed since I got here. Plus some of the stuff in it can be helpful. i.e. THIS
3. Forum games I understand, it's been spammed since the day I got here. Spammed to the point where I barely care to check it. Take it off I'm fine with it.
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In my opinion, posting in spam cam and forum games shouldn't count or post count could be disabled. Maybe it's because I'm used to other forum where I am (Finnish Final Fantasy forum, FFfin) is very strict about spamming (Elitism is still problem there...) so I have learned to ignore all that reminds me of spam. And it really pisses me off when I check new posts here and most are just spam cam and forum games. Forum games can be fun, but I don't think them as posting or activity.

I don't post often, but that because I want to make sure that when I do, I have something to say. I prefer those with 20-100 posts in "normal" threads than those with 100+ in spam cam & forum games (Not pointing anyone, just a random thought).

//Oh, just remembered. Of course it's good that people welcome new members, but just saying "welcome" is kinda pointless. Yet again, I have used to the fact that posting in new member threads is for asking little about new member and get to know that person. Not just say welcome and then forget who that new guy even was!
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I agree with Sharky. Those posts should count, Maybe we could have a special group for people who are more helpful and let the people with high post counts just continue with the posts.

P.S. I think forum games is spam too, but i don't care because its funny.
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Mar 20 2009, 05:02 AM
2. Why the spam can? That place hasn't been spammed since I got here. Plus some of the stuff in it can be helpful. i.e. THIS


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I think that, right now, the forum is too small for post count to be enabled there. If people come here to sign up for LP help, but notice that someone has a high post count that they garner from OT discussion, then it could be something of a put-off, no?

If/when the forum gets bigger, it wouldn't be a problem in my opinion since there'll - theoretically - be a balance between on-and-off topic discussion.

Alternatively, it could be a better idea to prevent people from even being able to see the forums in question until they have a certain post count. This way, people get the idea of on-topic posting as well.

Are threads like this really what you guys consider worth making? A slew of smilies with - literally - no purpose at all, and it's blatantly for a post count increase (note that whilst the same thing DID happen in the nerd game thread, effectively, it's useful since the thread COULD be educational in places).
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Mar 20 2009, 03:28 AM
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Mar 20 2009, 05:02 AM
2. Why the spam can? That place hasn't been spammed since I got here. Plus some of the stuff in it can be helpful. i.e. THIS


:3




I think that, right now, the forum is too small for post count to be enabled there. If people come here to sign up for LP help, but notice that someone has a high post count that they garner from OT discussion, then it could be something of a put-off, no?

If/when the forum gets bigger, it wouldn't be a problem in my opinion since there'll - theoretically - be a balance between on-and-off topic discussion.

Alternatively, it could be a better idea to prevent people from even being able to see the forums in question until they have a certain post count. This way, people get the idea of on-topic posting as well.

Are threads like this really what you guys consider worth making? A slew of smilies with - literally - no purpose at all, and it's blatantly for a post count increase (note that whilst the same thing DID happen in the nerd game thread, effectively, it's useful since the thread COULD be educational in places).

I have to disagree with the "High post count = more knowledge" argument (if you can call it that) because in all the forums/ messege boards i've been to the more knowledgeable person actully tends to have lower count (again from what i've seen) because they almost never post anyhere but where they can be helpful
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Mar 20 2009, 11:57 AM

I have to disagree with the "High post count = more knowledge" argument (if you can call it that)

You felt the need to quote me to state that, because? I didn't use that argument at all.
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I say let the people post and be counted for wherever they post! Post count does not have anything to do with helpfulness, it just shows someone who is active (and very familiar) with the forum. Not all of us here are LPers (yet) myself included. I am here because I like the LP community, I am a fan/critic of LPers, and I am somewhat of a novice ROM hacker; I want to offer my thoughts/opinions/rants/random knowledge to all of you fine people. And someday soon, I want to start LPing; I just need to gather the tools and advice to get started. This forum feels like a home to me, and I want recorded whatever I do in that home, be it eat at the dinner table, or just play around! I want others to know that I support this forum with my patronage, no matter the thread that I happen to frequent.

As for the issue of "helpfulness," perhaps there is a way that we can have some kind of rating system (that only members can access) whereby users of the forum can be rated on some sort of scale on their "helpfulness." This could be a separate line from the post count. That way we can show who is truly active on the forum as well as who is a truly relevant source of constructive criticism.

But that's just my little side B)
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Mar 20 2009, 07:48 AM
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Mar 20 2009, 11:57 AM

I have to disagree with the "High post count = more knowledge" argument (if you can call it that)

You felt the need to quote me to state that, because? I didn't use that argument at all.

sorry i must have misread your post (kinda tired reading level is at about 50% normal use). ALso i agree with mecca there should be a little bar that say's how helpful people are
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icyevilchief
Mar 20 2009, 11:57 AM

I have to disagree with the "High post count = more knowledge" argument (if you can call it that)

You seem to be contradicting yourself, though I think that came from a misunderstanding of what I said. My stance is that post count has nothing to do with how helpful a person is, as is yours. You said before, however, that post count is equivalent to helpfulness, which is obviously wrong. This might have been a misunderstanding on my part.

Also, some people seem to be confusing negating post count with being unable to post in the forums at all. The Spam Can can be used to rant about anything, but it's almost never relevant to the overall theme of this forum. Random smiley posts are OK, but they shouldn't be counted in the post count because they give newer posters the wrong idea.

I find myself trusting those with a lower post count in the 50-200 range (who have been here since near the beginning) rather than those with five times as much, simply because they tend to be more helpful and type out more detailed posts. Also, I notice that the posters in this range often have impeccable grammar and spelling, which I appreciate very much. I respect these posters for that reason.

One more thing. One sentence posts/topics. They are better suited to the Shoutbox than anywhere else. Use that more instead of making a topic about how much sleep you got last night.
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Mar 20 2009, 08:24 AM
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I have to disagree with the "High post count = more knowledge" argument (if you can call it that)

You seem to be contradicting yourself, though I think that came from a misunderstanding of what I said. My stance is that post count has nothing to do with how helpful a person is, as is yours. You said before, however, that post count is equivalent to helpfulness, which is obviously wrong. This might have been a misunderstanding on my part.

Also, some people seem to be confusing negating post count with being unable to post in the forums at all. The Spam Can can be used to rant about anything, but it's almost never relevant to the overall theme of this forum. Random smiley posts are OK, but they shouldn't be counted in the post count because they give newer posters the wrong idea.

I find myself trusting those with a lower post count in the 50-200 range (who have been here since near the beginning) rather than those with five times as much, simply because they tend to be more helpful and type out more detailed posts. Also, I notice that the posters in this range often have impeccable grammar and spelling, which I appreciate very much. I respect these posters for that reason.

Ya i think we both got confused i thought you were saying high post count = helpful which as you said is not how you (or I) see it. I also don't think that people are beliving that they will lose the forum gmaes section i think that some people just wanna get more post ( i kinda like getting more post but only because i like to know what the little sprites change to)
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As long as your posts are well thought out and contribute something, then that is OK. Posting random, meaningless things in the Spam Can just to raise your post count is doing it for the wrong reasons.
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Really? Blowing up national monuments would be pointless in war. It can only agitate a people. I mean, what would happen if we went over to Italy and bombed the Eiffel Tower? -A friend

What a cluster**** of a boss! BOOM BOOM BOOM, rocks flying everywhere! BOOM BOOM BOOM, I'm on fire! ROCKS! BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM, I'm gonna eat you now. -Brad, Four Player Podcast (Link)
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Mar 20 2009, 07:50 AM
As for the issue of "helpfulness," perhaps there is a way that we can have some kind of rating system (that only members can access) whereby users of the forum can be rated on some sort of scale on their "helpfulness." This could be a separate line from the post count. That way we can show who is truly active on the forum as well as who is a truly relevant source of constructive criticism.

That's a very good idea if we can do it. On many of the Mac and tech forums I'm on, they have this thing called "rep". When someone finds your response helpful (members only of course) they can choose to increase your "rep". This is in fact a separate line from their post count, and from what I have seen, works very well when it comes trusting a person for help or knowing whether the person who is attempting actually "knows" what they are talking about. Very nice idea Mecca.
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