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| USA at Panama (WCQ); Tues 15 Oct 13; Panama City, Panama | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Sep 14 2013, 10:16 AM (511 Views) | |
| vince stravino | Sep 14 2013, 10:16 AM Post #1 |
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May be big for the hosts. 10pm ET kick off on beIN TV. |
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| Yogi | Oct 12 2013, 04:23 PM Post #2 |
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Some roster changes for the trip to Panama,
The only player added is goalie Sean Johnson of Chicago, called in as the 3rd choice goalie. Guzan will start in goal and look for Goodson to play as well as Klinsmann said his change for Besler was planned for this game. So will Goodson be paired with Cameron, who played vs Jamaica, or Orozco? Klinsmann also said Jones' knee is bothering him and he will need to get that treated soon, sounds as if the prior stories of him having meniscus problems were not off the mark. |
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| shelsoccer | Oct 12 2013, 06:18 PM Post #3 |
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While pretty much meaningless for the US, this will be an interesting game. The US will be playing with a B+ team -- and that may be generous. It will be an opportunity for guys fighting for a roster spot like Castillo, Kjlestan and perhaps Johansson to burnish their credentials. Meanwhile, Panama has to throw the kitchen sink at us. Obviously, that will open up opportunities on the counter. Or, a makeshift US team could get drilled. |
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| vince stravino | Oct 13 2013, 08:56 AM Post #4 |
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Doubt we get drilled. Our "B" team won the Gold Cup, no? Panama still has a chance (slim one), but they still have had relatively little success against the Yanks ever. Their home field advantage is not the same as other CONCACAF nations as well. This is a good test for our backline. Panama seems to be especially adept at set pieces and corners. |
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| shelsoccer | Oct 14 2013, 10:24 AM Post #5 |
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I'll concede, Vince, that it's unlikely we'll get drilled in Panama (a little hyperbole on my part). However, I'll point out that this isn't the Gold Cup, Panama has more to play for than we do and they're at home. |
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| Johnbuildr | Oct 14 2013, 12:30 PM Post #6 |
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Not only that, Shel, a back line that was finally showing some solidarity and consistencey will be sans Bessler. Add a back up GK who is very good, but not in regular communicaiton with the back line and it could get a bit ugly. |
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| raconteur | Oct 15 2013, 12:48 PM Post #7 |
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Panama have their World Cup hopes at stake here but they also have trouble scoring goals. But Blas Perez is always a handful so he will test UD backline, if he can get some service. Jozy Altidore has been named US captain for tonight with Donovan & Howard sent home. I am guessing that means Beasley also will not be starting. Castillo, after the way he played off the bench last week, deserves the opportunity. |
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| Sammy Maudlin | Oct 15 2013, 10:19 PM Post #8 |
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Ok in the CONCACAF section we discuss in much more detail what happened in Panama and the rest of CONCACAF on a crazy and dramatic night. The US may have used a reserve filled team against Panama but they showed heart and professionalism in coming from behind to win away to Panama and eliminate their hosts and help the US' greatest rival make the playoffs. As for individual players I thought Zusi was the best US player on the night. Orozco scored again off a set play, He is really good at that, maybe as good as any US defender ever but his defending is average at best and I am not sure if he really helped his cause for claiming a World Cup roster spot. As for others, I was less than impressed with Kljestan, Castillo. Goodson and Evans. Not sure how much they helped their overall cause. And Altidore's slump continues, hopefully he can get out of the doldrums with Sunderland and the US. Despite this criticisms, the US still went out and did its job even with a sub filled team, very admirable for Klinsmann and his team. |
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| Johnbuildr | Oct 16 2013, 04:49 AM Post #9 |
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The soccer gods could not get much more ironic than last night. The US keeping Mexico's World Cup chances alive is beyond anything most of us could have imagined in the HEX. wow. Agree with you Sammy. Kljestan, Castillo, Goodson = UGH! None are ready for prime time, period. So, can we stop with the senseless Kljestan call ups???? Evans had his moments and is probably still strongly in the running with previous showings, but he was a shadow of his previous self without Bessler next to him on the inside. Johansson showed what he was unable to show last Friday night. Need to see more of him. Jozy was more active but still largely a non factor in a game where he should have easily over powered the defense. (However he did get precious little service from anyone.) Midfield play was just horrible and back line not much better. Not really a "fair" result for Panama. US goal 2 at 90 + 2 and 3 at 90 + 3??? yikes. By the way, WTF is up with Courtney-fucking-Campbell?????. :angry: We've seen plenty of questionable calls from him before but I don't think I have ever seen a ref completely swallow his whistle like that ever before. That man should be sanctioned. It's a miracle all out fights did not break out. It is a testament to the players that no injuries occurred either.
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| raconteur | Oct 16 2013, 09:53 AM Post #10 |
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An extraordinary evening and my overall impressions of the game are similar to John's and Sammy's as I really thought Castillo, Goodson and Kljestan missed opportunities to move up the depth chart. Same probably applies to Beckerman and Orozco despite the latter's goal. Beckerman probably will make the final roster unless Maurice Edu displays phoenix-like qualities in the next 6 months but Orozco for all his goalscoring abilities is still first and foremost a defender and as that he is just average in my eyes. The two players who I thought really helped themselves were Davis and Johannsson. Brad Davis really sparked the team and gave it what it lacked, a person who could cross the ball accurately and he created danger once he came on, including setting up two of the three US goals. He is not a blazing winger but he sure can deliver a fine cross and Klinsmann may find that a useful option off the bench. Johannsson scored the last minute winner which sunk the knife into Panama's hearts but he also showed he is willing to have a crack at goal. He is not the finished product but is a young player and should I think be one of the players Klinsmann looks at more closely in the next 6 months. Finally two other comments on players, Bedoya, he is just woefully inconsistent. I am just not sure if he is really the answer but with a lack of natural wingers he will be in contention for a World Cup roster space. And Brad Guzan, yes he is a good shot stopper and very rangy and showed that in making a fine kick save in the 1st half but there is something about his play which leaves me a little uneasy. I do not think he holds on to the ball all that well and his kicking is not the best. Maybe it is sacrilegious to some that I would consider a MLS starting goalie ahead of an English Premier League starter but I prefer Nick Rimando as the US" #2 keeper. Rimando is quicker, as good a shot stopper as Guzan and is much better playing the ball with his feet. |
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| shelsoccer | Oct 16 2013, 10:23 AM Post #11 |
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I won't be as harsh on Goodson or (the second-half) Castillo, but I have to comment on Klinsmann's substitutions. How many games now have we seen him push exactly the right buttons? Last night it was Davis, Johansson and even Boyd. Coaching Germany in 2006, Klinsmann was panned for not being tactically smart. Credit was given to Loew. Maybe he's getting similar input from Vasquez or Herzog, but I tend to think he's matured as a coach. |
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| Merengue | Oct 16 2013, 10:52 PM Post #12 |
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Well put shel. Klinsmann is showing himself to be very good at making in game adjustments. This Panama game was only the latest demonstration of this skill. |
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| Rufus T. Firefly | Oct 16 2013, 11:19 PM Post #13 |
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And Brad Guzan, yes he is a good shot stopper and very rangy and showed that in making a fine kick save in the 1st half but there is something about his play which leaves me a little uneasy. I do not think he holds on to the ball all that well and his kicking is not the best. Maybe it is sacrilegious to some that I would consider a MLS starting goalie ahead of an English Premier League starter but I prefer Nick Rimando as the US" #2 keeper. Rimando is quicker, as good a shot stopper as Guzan and is much better playing the ball with his feet. Somebody else feels the same way I do. Guzan is not bad but he is not IMo as good as either Howard or Rimando. He should be the US' 3rd choice not 2nd choice goalie. As for the Panama game, another piece of evidence of how the US just never gives up. I am guessing neither Zusi nor Johannsson will ever have to buy dinner at a Mexican restaurant again!
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| alabastergremlin | Oct 18 2013, 04:52 PM Post #14 |
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If staffing with great assistants is his secret, then good for him. Go for it. I'm like you. I think he has improved as a coach. I can't help but wonder if it also has something to do with coaching a different national team. A different nationality. Even though JK is far from a stranger to America, I wonder if being out of a shadow I'm sure comes with his name in Germany has helped. Whatever the reason...I think we've seen GREAT progression overall from our national team since 2000 and both Arena and Bradley should also get credit for their roles despite the bumps along the way. I think solid hires were made each time. All one has to do is look south of the border to see a huge mess of a national program. Which itself is amazing considering less that two calendar years ago we were debating on how far Mexico had gotten ahead of the US and if we could catch them. |
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| TonyDE | Oct 18 2013, 09:11 PM Post #15 |
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Which itself is amazing considering less that two calendar years ago we were debating on how far Mexico had gotten ahead of the US and if we could catch them. Two years ago? We were debating this last year after Mexico won the Olympic Gold Medal! I disagree with those criticizing Brad Guzan, I think he is developing into a very good goalkeeper and rather than Rimando challenging him for the 2nd choice goalie I think Guzan is challenging Howard for the starting position. It is just that Howard has not done anything wrong to lose the position. Bottom line is with Howard, Guzan and Rimando goalkeeper is not a worry for Jurgen Klinsmann. |
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