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Canada youth teams
Topic Started: Nov 5 2010, 02:15 PM (3,171 Views)
hobbes
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With U20s coming up soon, I thought I'd make a catch-all thread if anyone cares about the Canadian youth teams.

The CSA just released its U23 camp roster and it's always amazing to me that as many players as you think you know there's always new faces you've never heard of . . .

GK- Julien Latendresse Lévesque | GER / Energie Cottbus | Chambly, QC, CAN
GK- Michal Misiewicz | POL / Polonia Bytom | Calgary, AB, CAN
D- Sean Hart | USA / Schulz Academy | Toronto, ON, CAN
D- Fabrice Lassonde | GER / Ingolstadt FC | Mont-St-Grégoire, QC, CAN
D- Ashtone Morgan | CAN / Toronto FC Academy | Toronto, ON, CAN
D- Eddy Sidra | Unattached / sans club | Edmonton, AB, CAN
M- Philippe Davies | CAN / Vancouver Whitecaps FC | Longueuil, QC, CAN
M- Ethan Gage | CAN / Vancouver Whitecaps FC | Cochrane, AB, CAN
M- Mozesh Gyorio | USA / FC Tampa Bay | Stratford, PE, CAN
M- Jonathan Parolini | ITA / ASD Bojano | Vaughan, ON
M- Cesar Santamaria | SLV / CD Municipal | Regina, SK, CAN
M- Jarek Whiteman | CAN / Portugal FC | Brampton, ON, CAN
F- Reda Agourram | CAN / Impact Montréal | Montréal, QC, CAN
F- Randy Edwini-Bonsu | CAN / Vancouver Whitecaps FC | Edmonton, AB, CAN
F- Sherif El-Masri | SIN / Home United FC | Scarborough, ON, CAN
F- Derek Gaudet | USA / Portland Timbers | Bayside, NS, CAN
F- Igor Pisanjuk | HUN / Szolnoki MÁV FC | Mississauga, ON, CAN
F- Kyle Porter | CAN / Vancouver Whitecaps FC | Mississauga, ON, CAN

They're headed to Sunrise, Fla and will play a couple of games. I'd never heard of Parolini or Whiteman who plays in the CSL. Mozzi Gyorio is the rarest of players in the pool - a guy from Prince Edward Island (by was of Serbia) and Cesar Santamaria of Once Municipal of El Salvador went to my old high school. Clearly I have a new favourite player. :)

A lot of the given players (Adam Straith, Nana Attakora, Marcus Haber, Gabe Gala, etc) didn't get invited for obvious reasons, but it's nice to get a look at some of the depth players there. Porter had a good stretch run with the Caps, Pisanjuk is playing in Hungary, Agourram looked good with Montreal this year and both keepers are pretty good.

I'm wondering if there will be a Canadian B camp around the same time to get some of the NA-based players doing something in the winter.

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Good idea for a thread hobbes, Prince Edward Island is that a first for Canada, having a player from PEI on a national team? I imagine there have not been many newfies playing for Canada either but we won't go into why? :P

Slightly changing the subject, I found this article about players eligible for Canada selecting to play for other countries,

http://sports.yahoo.com/soccer/news?slug=g...otawaycanadaslo

hobbes has probably talked about each one of these players here at various times but I wonder if he agrees with the theory expressed in this article,

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Some patterns start to become evident when the issue is looked at in depth.  Most of these players were capped at young ages by the Canadian youth programs but were then seemingly forgotten until they gained international attention.

So why are Canadian coaches not putting more effort into capping young players while they are still in the Canadian program?  Why is the Canadian program not reaching out to more players or at least keeping contact with players that are gaining valuable experience abroad?

Before blame can be put on the coaches, one also has to consider the availability of games in which to cap players.  For some time the Canadian Soccer Association has been criticized for a limited number of games for Canadian internationals to gain game experience


The world has changed and every country has lost players who were potentially available to it, whether they be stars like Zinedine Zidane, Guiseppe Rossi, Mesut Ozil and Deco or lesser talented players like Francisco Torres, Daniel Fernandes and Hamit Altintop. But other than those named at the end of the article, players who once selected to play for Canada despite being born elsewhere, has Canada recently won one of these competitions to sign a player with dual nationality?
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I’m sure PEI is a first for the national team. It’s tiny. Rugby is king in Newfoundland by a lot (Rod Snow being the most famous name from the Rock), but we did qualify for our only World Cup in St. John’s. We should go to Nfld. more often. :)

As for the hypothesis, it’s not a bad one, but it doesn’t really hold water. We don’t play enough games and traditionally the managers have been very slow to bring in new players (Holger had DeGuzman, DeRosario and Hutchinson on the fringe of the team until they were all 23-24; Yallop was still using Pesch Corazzin and Watson into their mid-30s; etc.) but I don’t think that’s the reason we’re losing players.

Hargreaves and Jonathan DeGuzman had numerous offers and opportunities to represent Canada. Neither ever did at any level. I knew about each guy by time they were 15 or 16 and so did the national team selectors.

Lensky could have been part of the U20 World Youth Cup team when we hosted, but turned down calls then. He’s so insane I don’t think he’s a good example of much. Lensky is two years removed from walking out on the Seattle Sounders and eight months later getting a Czech U21 cap. He retired at 20. Once he started playing soccer again Hart asked him, he had the plane ticket in his hand when he accepted the Czech offer.

O’Brian White is more Jamaican than Canadian and Teal Bunbury is more American than Canadian, but Bunbury said he wanted to play for Canada and was happy to get youth caps even when he was living in the U.S. I never expected White to play for Canada any more than I did Andy Williams.

The two exceptions were Begovic who should have played a meaningless World Cup qualifier just to give him a game and Dani Fernandes who was ignored for Pat Onstad for a couple of years when it was clear that at the very least Fernandes was pretty solid. But Fernandes had been snubbed by the U20s as well. I still don’t know why he wasn’t in the mix that cycle and I’m pretty sure I bitched about it on here.

With the exception of Fernandes, the guys named in the article all have had opportunities to play for Canada at the senior level and turned them down before changing nations.

I think almost every player who plays for Canada is eligible to play for someone else. The rules are so open and there aren’t many third generation Canadians that are elite soccer players.

The list at the end was funny to me because it made little sense. With the exception of Stojanovic all of those guys grew up in Canada from a relatively young age. Limniatis was never a mainstay in Canada, how would he play for Greece? Yugoslavia was going to poach Stojanovic from the Rochester Lancers? Randy Samuel would have been useful for T&T, but so would Atiba Hutchinson. Neither guy ever really entertained the thought as far as I know. I don’t see it being a case of anyone doing anything “right” more than just players who grew up in Canada playing for Canada.

> Has Canada recently won one of these competitions to sign a player with dual nationality?

There’s a keeper named Milan Borjan who is the starter for Rad Belgrade in the Serbian top flight (they’re just outside of a Europa League spot). He spent a lot of his youth in Hamilton and then went to South America where he was a low level squad player with Nacional in Uruguay, River Plate and Quilmes. He’s expected to be one of the two keepers named for the Greece friendly after deciding he wanted to play for Canada. He’s 6-4 and only 23, so he might be a find.

De Jong was getting some attention from the Dutch youth teams when he first broke into the top flight, but that quieted quickly. Just looking at the list pretty much everyone could have played for someone else. Olivier Occéan’s a guy who came to the program relatively late and would help Haiti, but I don’t know if they were ever interested in him.

England showed interest in keeper Adam Street and midfielder Terry Dunfield when they were really young, but neither guy committed. When Will Johnson was 17 and playing with Blackburn Rovers I thought the U.S. might show interest, but they never did and a year later he was a Canadian U20 (his ties to the U.S. are far stronger than Canada, though he was born here).

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There’s a keeper named Milan Borjan who is the starter for Rad Belgrade in the Serbian top flight (they’re just outside of a Europa League spot). He spent a lot of his youth in Hamilton and then went to South America where he was a low level squad player with Nacional in Uruguay, River Plate and Quilmes. He’s expected to be one of the two keepers named for the Greece friendly after deciding he wanted to play for Canada. He’s 6-4 and only 23, so he might be a find.


Sounds like an interesting prospect. With Onstad nearing the end of his career, Hirschfeld not as good as expected and neither Begovic or Fernandes accepting a callup from Canada, I think your team could sue a solid goalkeeper. Maybe this guy can be the answer?

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Sammy Maudlin,Dec 12 2010
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There’s a keeper named Milan Borjan who is the starter for Rad Belgrade in the Serbian top flight (they’re just outside of a Europa League spot). He spent a lot of his youth in Hamilton and then went to South America where he was a low level squad player with Nacional in Uruguay, River Plate and Quilmes. He’s expected to be one of the two keepers named for the Greece friendly after deciding he wanted to play for Canada. He’s 6-4 and only 23, so he might be a find.


Sounds like an interesting prospect. With Onstad nearing the end of his career, Hirschfeld not as good as expected and neither Begovic or Fernandes accepting a callup from Canada, I think your team could sue a solid goalkeeper. Maybe this guy can be the answer?

Yeah who knows with Borjan. It sounds like he was decent as a kid in Hamilton, but having never seen him, you just don't know what to expect.

Hirschfeld is the No. 1 almost by default. Borjan looks like the best bet to unseat him barring an about face from Fernandes or the quick development of one of the promising kids (I think Stillo at Genoa has to be the likeliest guy to have a breakthrough within two years). I don't see al-Shaïbani, Monsalve or Stamatopoulos likely to push Hirschfeld. Young Misiewicz has a shot too I guess, but we desperately need goaltending help, so Borjan is a positive development.

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U.S. U20s beat Canada's U20s 2-0 yesterday.

I don't think either side was at full strength, but Canada may have been closer to it, which isn't a good sign. Canada was missing Russell Teibert from the Whitecaps who is one of the better players this cycle.

Saad and McInerney scored for the U.S.

USA Starting XI:

Kevin Piedrahita; Ben Sweat, Sebastien Ibeagha, Eric Schoenle (Perry Kitchen, 68'), Kory Veeder; Steven Evans (Joshua Gatt, 78'), Conor Shanosky (Amobi Okugo, 78'), Dylan Mares (Alex Molano, 64'); Jack McInerney, Adrian Ruelas (Omar Salgado, 75'), Soony Saad (Joe Gyau, 78').

Canada Starting XI:

Roberto Stillo; Ashtone Morgan, Doneil Henry (Chris Suta, 89'), Darrick Bassi, Sean Hart, Roger Thompson (Jonathan Osorio, 61'); Jaineil Hoilett, Kevin Cobby (Matt Stinson, 68'), Ethan Gage; Niall Cousens (Jerome Baker, 75'), Nicholas Lindsay.

They play again Saturday.

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many thanks for the update hobbes, keep them coming. I have to admit most of the names on both teams are unknowns to me. The only one I recognized is the US' McInerney who i recall from the U17 team and some cameos with Philadelphia.

Thomas Rongen is coaching the US U20 team and seems to have carved a niche for himself there. hobbes, who coaches Canada's U20s?
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Salgado has actually been training with Vancouver, but will have to enter the Super Draft and is expected to be the likely first pick this year. Gale Agbossoumonde is there for the U.S. in camp, so is Amobi Okugo who’s with the Union. I’ve heard of Saad too. I hear this isn’t a bad U.S. team, but they’re missing Juan Agudelo obviously, but also Will Packwood from Birmingham City, but I don’t know the U.S. well enough this cycle to say much more about who may or may not be likely first choice come qualifying.

Stillo is the keeper who is No. 3 with Genoa. Morgan and Henry are both with TFC. Henry is still quite young (17), but looks very promising and may get some more first team minutes this year.

Gage started for the Whitecaps USL title winners in 08 as a 17yo, but has actually regressed a little. Hoilett is the younger brother of Junior Hoilett (of Blackburn) and plays for Mainz in Germany. The forwards look promising — Nick Lindsay (who is also 17) got some first team time with Toronto this season and Cousens is with Sparta Prague and has been loaned out to a smaller Czech club. Baker is with the Whitecaps residency and went to Germany on loan last year.

All of that being said this roster kind of underwhelms me. There are a lot of players who seem not nearly as good as others we’ve had in recent history.

The manager is Valerio Gazzola who coached the Impact from 1994-97 and then in 2000-01. He’s been an assistant at the U17 and U20 levels a few separate times. Expectations are low to say the least.

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So the U.S. beat Canada 5-0 in the final U20 game Saturday. The game was moved to an artificial turf field at the last minute. It equalled Canada’s largest loss ever at the U20 level.

Canadian Roger Thompson got ejected at 50 and the U.S. added four more goals in the final 30 mins. The CSA praised the fine work of keeper Julien Latendresse-Lévesque. So that tells you a lot. Joe Gyau from the Vancouver Whitecaps scored three times and Joshua Gatt scored twice.

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The Canadian goalie Levesque I see also was named to the U23 camp, sounds as if he may be one to watch for the future.

I wonder if Joe Gyau is any relation to Phillip Gyau, an occasional US international forward in the pre MLS days?
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Apparently he is Phillip Gyau's son. I had totally forgotten about him. Here's an old article about Joe:

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/columns/story...root=us&cc=5901

Canada has so many decent young keepers, I just hope one of them pans out. It's the rest of the team that worries me for the U20s.

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Thanks for the info hobbes.

Whatever happened with Wyn Belotte? I recall him several years ago being a potential great hope for Canada but he seems to have not developed much after the youth stage. Would he rank as one of the those promising youth players wo just never really panned out as a professional?
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Whatever happened with Wyn Belotte? I recall him several years ago being a potential great hope for Canada but he seems to have not developed much after the youth stage. Would he rank as one of the those promising youth players wo just never really panned out as a professional?

Oh Wyn Belotte. At the 2001 World Youth Cup when Canada conspired to waste one of their most talented youth teams ever, Belotte was the youngest player on the squad IIRC. Anyway Belotte came on in the dying seconds against Brazil and proceeded to dribble past a pair of Brazilians at midfield and then run away from the back line before he got cynically pulled back by the last man. He got a shot off and didn't score. Regardless he showed more in 10 seconds than any of our other players (DeGuzman and Hutchinson included) showed in three matches.

I looked, but couldn't find that run online.

He was the MVP of the CONCACAF U17 tournament, but two yaers later he wasn't effective at the U20 WYC and was already wearing out his welcome at Wisla Krakow. From everything I heard Belotte believed the hype and stopped working. By the time he was 21, he was reduced to playing half of a season with the Toronto Lynx before hitting the soccer wasteland. He's living in Montreal and played in a high-level men's league there last year. He picked up a six-game suspension for abusing an official.

I don't remember all of the details, but he always courted attention and still has a place in Canadian soccer folklore. I know someone who has Belotte's mutlicoloured cornrow head shot from the 03 WYC as his profile pic.

Despite being of Haitian extraction, he developed a John Harkes-like trait of having a thick France French accent after playing in the Nantes youth system. The less said about his personal web site the better (though the video of him telling kids they could be the "next Wyn Belotte" either during or just after his Lynx career remains fresh in my mind).

I looked him up on wikipedia and he's listed as currently playing for "non-league Phillip's Bakery FC" which is an inside joke amongst Canadian soccer fans and brought a smile to my face. Phillip's Bakery FC is entirely fictionial btw.

Such a waste of talent and potential. It's amazing to think he's still only 26.

Merry Christmas to any and all who celebrate it on here. I hope you're enjoying time with friends and loved ones.

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Buried in this story about the US' preparations to play Chile is a note that the US beat Canada's U-23 team 4-0 in a midweek scrimmage,

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writ...01/20/us.chile/

No idea on who played for Canada but I thought I would pass on the information.
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Thanks Merengue

The Canada U23 team looks as bad on the pitch as it does on paper.

Diskerud, Bunbury, Wondolowski, Bedoya scored for the U.S.

Since it was closed door I don't know the rosters.

I know Misiewicz started in goal (and they used Adam Janssen as well) and I can see Nana Attakora, Curtis Ushedo, Kyle Bekker and Fabrice Lassonde. And a lot of guys I don’t recognize. But this was a pretty no-name bunch.

Canada also lost 2-1 to PDL side the Arizona Sahuaros yesterday. If supporters were disappointed in the US loss, this was something else entirely.

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