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World Club Cup 2010
Topic Started: Oct 27 2010, 09:37 AM (1,081 Views)
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Nkono,Dec 17 2010
01:15 PM
I would also add that Lamine Ndiaye is showing that an African coach can do well internationally, that signing expensive foreign nationals, mainly from Europe, to coach is not necessary to achieve success. And finally that stability and good off field organization are vital to doing well on field. If more African clubs and national federations would follow Mazembe's lead, the football in Africa would be much better off.

Many African Federations & Players want European Coaches. I hear that neither will take an African Coach seriously. I will point out how Togo treated Stephen Keshi, after he got Togo to the World Cup <_< To me that was simply scandalous. I believe Rudd Guillt brought up some similar points when discussing this topic, which you brought up Nkono. I think you have to begin w/ the Individual Federations first in this situation.
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I saw a really good documentary on the history of soccer in Africa before the World Cup and there was a good section about Zaire in 74 and how they fired their manager before the cup and replaced him with a Yugoslavian and the team looked lost and embarrassed themselves. And yet this trend persists.

I don't understand why there aren't more domestic managers in charge of their national team in Africa. You see so many hired guns come in for eight months in a Cup year and few of them really have an impact and most are gone right after the tournament if not during the tournament.

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hobbes,Dec 17 2010
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I saw a really good documentary on the history of soccer in Africa before the World Cup and there was a good section about Zaire in 74 and how they fired their manager before the cup and replaced him with a Yugoslavian and the team looked lost and embarrassed themselves. And yet this trend persists.

I don't understand why there aren't more domestic managers in charge of their national team in Africa. You see so many hired guns come in for eight months in a Cup year and few of them really have an impact and most are gone right after the tournament if not during the tournament.

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hobbes

This is a major issue in African soccer especially in sub saharan Africa. There were 5 sub Saharan teams in the last World Cup (CIV, GHA, NGR, CMR, RSA) and not one was coached by an African. The one north African team in the competition (ALG) was coached by a local guy as are the three time African nations cup champions Egypt.

robdog wrote about a lack of respect towards local coaches from the Euroepan absed stars of many African teams and that has been an issue in the past but as more ex European pros become coaches I think that attitude will change. That is why it will be interesting to see what happens with Samdon Siasia as the coach of Nigeria. South Africa now has a local coach leaidng it too and while Ghana is currently without a full time copach, it's interim coach also is a home abse dguy. It is about time that African national teams rely on African coaches instead of the mercenaries that hobbes wrote of. In that regard Lamine Ndiaye's exploits with TP Mazembe may be doing a lot of good for other African coaches.
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Absolutely Martin, you are right this is a big issue in African football and so many fans throughout the continent have been clamoring for local coaches. But the federations just do not have confidence in them and are ready to sack them at the slightest drop. Hopefully the success of Lamine Ndiaye with TP Mazembe will help change that perception. And I wish Siasia will have a longer and more successful stint as Nigeria's coach than did previous local coaches like Chukwu, Eguavon and Amodu.

On to Saturday's final, Mulota Kabangu is one of two Mazembe attackers to watch, he is the player with the blond tinted hair who set up the club's goal in the win over Pachuca with a great outside of the foot pass and then against Internacional scored the final opening goal after deftly bringing the ball down and volleying it in to the opposite post. Winger Dioko Kaluyituka who scored the other goal vs Internacional is another player to watch, quick, tricky and good on the ball. His battle with the veteran Javier Zanetti should be fascinating.

The keeper Muteba Kidiaba has attracted attention for his bizarre celebrations and his haircut but he also is a fine shot stopper and has a solid defence in front of him. Mazembe will likely look to quickly double team Milito and Etoo anytime they get near goal but as discussed earlier Mazembe's defence have yet to give up a goal in their two matches played in Abu Dhabi.

Odds are Inter Milan will win but TP Mazembe have been a breath of fresh air and may even eventually increase worldwide interest in this competition as the world takes notice of the upstarts in the final.
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Normality was restored as Inter easily won 3-0 over TP Mazembe. Two early goals decided this game and wrecked TP Mazembe's confidence. Eto'o was involved in them both, picking out Pandev to open the scoring after 13 minutes then turning and knocking in a low cross from Zanetti which skipped by Pandev, to make it 2-0 after 17 minutes. Diego Milito then missed two golden chances to ncrease the score before the half.

In the 2nd half the tempo went down as Inter were keeping the ball away from Mazembe and eventually sub Jonathan Biabiany beat the offside trap and made it 3-0 after 85 minutes.

Internacional of Brazil who took third with a 4-2 win over Seongnam which was more lopsided than that final score indicates, must be kicking themselves for blowing their opportunities in the semifinal as an Inter v Inter final would I think have been an intriguing one. But the Brazilian Inter failed to do what the Italian one did, score early on TP Mazembe and take them out of their game plan of sitting back and countering.

So well done to Inter Milan who take the world club championship and have saved Rafa Benitez' job. With his team getting healthy now, I do think Inter will be a much improved team in the 2nd half of their club season and this tourney could well be the kick start they needed.

As for TP Mazembe, they had a wonderful tourney tooo and made a lot of friends with their exhubirant play.
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Yes, the two goals within the first 19 minutes sentenced this game and prevented Mazembe from doing what worked for them against both Pachuca and Internacional. After that Inter Milan were on cruise control. getting their team healthy and rebuilding confidence with this world title should definitely benefit Inter when they begin play again in the new year. I would think Rafa Benitez' job is safe now unless they get in another losing streak.
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Pique,Dec 18 2010
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Yes, the two goals within the first 19 minutes sentenced this game and prevented Mazembe from doing what worked for them against both Pachuca and Internacional.  After that Inter Milan were on cruise control.  getting their team healthy and rebuilding confidence with this world title should definitely benefit Inter when they begin play again in the new year.  I would think Rafa Benitez' job is safe now unless they get in another losing streak.

That is my view exactly, the two early goals opened the game up and kept Mazembe from playing as they did in their previous games in the tournament. You could also see the difference in skill level in this game, Inter Milan's players had excellent first touches while Mazembe's players often miscontrolled the ball which put them in trouble as it allowed Inter's players to pressure them more easily. And there was Eto'o continuing his fine season with a goal and an assist and constantly putting Mazembe's defense under pressure.
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Mazembe over achieved, they had a great tournament run but there appearance in the final was a fluke. Inter showed in the title game, the huge gulf that still exists between the European and African club champions. I am disappointed that Internacional of Brasil did not make the final because they would have provided much better opposition than Mazembe. But Internacional ahd their chance and could not score on the African team, that is the nature of the competition, one bad match and you are eliminated.

At least we no longer will have to look at TP Mazembe's horrible haircuts! I don't think I have ever seen a team with more bad hair than their's! :lol: The worst was the defender, #3 I think, with the yellow stripes on only half of his head! :P
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:lol: Those are some pretty bad haircuts on TP Mazembe's team. With his shaved head except for a beaded pony tail, the goalie looked like the evil protagonist in a bad kung fu movie! But his celebrations were pretty funny to watch and he was a good shot stopper.

Reality set in during the final and Inter won easily. They did outclass Mazembe and the point made about the big difference in the two teams' first touch was a good one. Inter twice won the Intercontinental Cup in the mid 60s (both times over Independiente) so this was their third world title, they join a series of clubs (Boca Juniors, Penarol, Nacional, Sao Paulo and Real Madrid) with three Intercontinental Cup/World Club Cup titles, only one less than AC Milan the all time leader with 4.

In the third place match, Internacional did what they failed to do in their semifinal, convert their scoring chances. They were 4-0 up on Seongnam before eaisng up late. Roberto Abbondanzieri, the ex Argentina goalie got some playing time at the end of this match for Internacional as this was his last match before bringing his long and success filled career to an end.
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Pique,Dec 18 2010
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Yes, the two goals within the first 19 minutes sentenced this game and prevented Mazembe from doing what worked for them against both Pachuca and Internacional. After that Inter Milan were on cruise control. getting their team healthy and rebuilding confidence with this world title should definitely benefit Inter when they begin play again in the new year. I would think Rafa Benitez' job is safe now unless they get in another losing streak.

I was watching Fox Soccer Report tonight & Rafa issued a demand that Inter either backs him or sacks him!!! Here is a follow-up story of the incident. Meanwhile, Jose "The Special One" Mourinho request Rafa to thank him for making his job easy. So the drama continues for Inter Milan. :blink:
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I knew that at least one of the highly perceptive posters on here would notice Mazembe's hair.

For me, they are to bad hair what Barca are to club football.

All one needz to know is that the keeper with the Ming the Merciless/Taribo West tribute ponytail dreads has at most the fourth worst hair on the team (after the guy with the dyed blond Puma logo, the one with the dyed "tiger stripes" on only half of his head, and the clown with his number 3 on one side and the letter K on the other).

Though the latter is nailed on for the Kinshasa edition of Sesame Street.

As noted in the Serie A thread, there are multiple reports this morning that Rafa is gone.
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:lol: how could anyone miss the Mazembe players' hair! I like the reference to the goalie as having hair like a bad guy in a kung fu movie/Ming the Merciless or Taribo West tribute hair! And yes, his was not the worst 'do on the team!

I read where TP Mazembe are receiving $4 million dollars for their participation in this event. They are already well backed by a wealthy entrepeneur in DR Congo, but with this extra money it will be interesting to see how they strengthen their team for next year. Maybe we will see TP Mazembe again next season as 3 time African champions?
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Now that the Tourney was over, Inter won as most expected. However, I was pleased to see Mao Molina still has a bit left in the tank. He was the #1 goal scorer, but that was put on the back burner. I felt sorry for him in the last match vs. Internacional, cause it appeared that he was running w/ the ball, but no help around him. In the end, he was able to create two goal from nothing.
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