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| World Club Cup 2010 | |
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| enganche | Dec 9 2010, 09:31 PM Post #16 |
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I too always enjoy the World Club Cup, I know it is hard to fit this into the schedule but this is I think a good time, just before the holidays, just after most Latin American leagues have finished or are finishing their season, just after the European Champions League has ended for the fall. But it seems every year, now that this tournament has become institutionalized within the international calendar, that clubs and fans from northern Europe, principally England and Germany complain about this competition as a distraction. The southern Europeans (usually Spain & Italy) do not feel that way and as pique points out Inter Milan will be sending a good share of fans to the UAE. I can not answer for Africa or Asia but I imagine they welcome the opportunity their clubs have to compete with the big boys from Europe and South America. And I know throughout the Americas, this competition is very important and fans will be paying a lot of attention to it. Like it or not this is the World Championship for Clubs and while their economic strength does give European clubs a big advantage, remember last year Estudiantes were minutes away from upsetting Barcelona in the final and gave Barcelona a tougher match than they had in the Champions League Final that year. |
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| Merengue | Dec 9 2010, 10:16 PM Post #17 |
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There is plenty of money involved for all the competing clusb so even the wealthy European ones now welcome the pay day. I think the current set up is the best possble one FIFA could set up, the European clubs only miss a week of their own club play and as enganche writes for most of Latin American clubs this tourney comes as they end their league seasons. I view this as a natural successor to the Intercontinental Cup, one which is more representative as it gives other confederations champion clubs a chance to upset the European-South American dominance. I have never been much of a fan of the Super Cups they have in Europe and Latin America but the Intercontinental Cup and now this World Club Cup are legitimate competitions and a chance to see clubs most fans just do not see every day. I was watching an interview with Jesus Martinez, the president of Pachuca and he was saying how Pachuca's past participations in the World Club Cup ahs increased his club's international recognition and that they now have Japanese fan clubs and Japanese fans who take trips to Pachuca, a colonial mining town in Mexico, just to see the club play! |
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| Dr. Z | Dec 10 2010, 08:39 PM Post #18 |
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TP Mazembe 1-0 Pachuca A disappointing loss for Pachuca as TP Mazembe scored a goal midway through the first half and that held up for the win. Pachuca had the majority of the ball and twice hit the post but could not score. In the Mexico forum there is talk Pachuca's Argentine forward Cvitanovich is leaving the club and based on how he played today, good riddance. Pachuca just seemed to lack a spark in this game, the team from DR Congo were quick, physical and pretty well organized defensively but Pachuca lacked the ideas to break them down. For a team playing for the 3rd time in this competition, Pachuca looked overwhelmed by the occasion. Under the tournament's old formation Necaxa of Mexico finished 3rd but since this tournament went to its present format in 2005, only Saprissa of Costa Rica has finished in 3rd of CONCACAF's representations, the other CONCACAF champs have failed to emulate their accomplishments but this year's play from Pachuca was one of the worst ever by a CONCACAF club. |
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| libero | Dec 10 2010, 09:04 PM Post #19 |
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I watched a replay of the game this evening and I have to agree with Dr Z, Pachuca looked poor and the goal they gave up should have been saved by Miguel Calero their Colombian goalie. It was a nice hard shot but to the near post and Calero should have stopped it. That was really the only danger TP Mazembe created but on the other end except for those two shots off the post/bar, Pachuca also did not really threaten the opponent's goal much either. Their attacks stalled just before getting near goal. Interesting how the only other time when a CONCACAF club did not advance to the semifinals was in 2007 when once again Pachuca were competing. |
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| SuperEagle | Dec 10 2010, 10:34 PM Post #20 |
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I thought TP Mazembe played a tactically astute game, they were playing even with Pachuca until TP Mazembe scored their goal, once they did that they sat back and defended more, invited Pachuca to have more of the ball but defencively they stayed organised and kept Pachuca from creating much danger. While doing this they were looking to use their speed on the counter and late in the game I thought they had more chances to score a 2nd than Pachuca did of scoring their first. I do not think there is any doubt TP Mazembe miss Tresor Mputu, their best player who is suspended but even without him they have already surpassed their performance in last year's World Club Cup. Now they play Internacional and while the Brazilians will be heavily favoured if TP Mazembe defend as well as they did vs Pachuca, they will not be an easy team to defeat. |
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| Martin | Dec 11 2010, 09:01 AM Post #21 |
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TP Mazembe did play a solid defensive game and scored a nicely worked goal, although I do agree that Calero could have saved the shot. But Pachuca really were bad in this game, as a few others wrote they did not create much despite having much more possession than Mazembe. I think there will be some changes coming soon for the Tuzos. I a watching via an online stream a bit of the first half of the Al Wahda-Seongnam match and it is a much livier game than Pachuca-TP Mazembe. I won't give the score in case some will watch the replay later in the day but I will say it is a game worth watching. |
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| robdog | Dec 11 2010, 09:57 AM Post #22 |
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I felt the Tuzos represented. Very unlucky to not to score. That shot by Manso was well taken, but hit the wrong side of the post. IMHO, there were some coaching decisions that left Los Tuzos hanging. Herc Gomez needed more time on the pitch. I feel he is a better pairing for Arizala than Cvitanich. Also why didn't Edgar Benítez didn't start?? Starting Braulio Luna @ left back??? These are what prevented Pachuca from getting all three points. Personnel decisions <_<
You call that a game?? I call it a rout. |
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| autogol | Dec 11 2010, 10:07 AM Post #23 |
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4-1 to Seongnam but it was 2-1 at the half so the Koreans opened it up in the 2nd half. They look like a pretty solid team and I am interested to see what they can do in a few days vs a struggling Inter Milan. Sasa Ognjevski their Australian centerback scored one goal, on a header off a corner, and is the current Asian player of the year. At the least Seongnam look like the 3rd best team in this competition and maybe they will give Inter a good match? rob, you thought Pachuca played all right? Not me, yes they hit the post but they were playing a limited team and they just could not break them down. And Pablo Marini their coach is in danger of losing his job, not just because of yesterday's result but the way they played in the mexican league too. |
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| Merengue | Dec 12 2010, 05:59 PM Post #24 |
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An impressive win for Seongnam and with three straight third place finishes, Asian clubs have been showing themselves to be the best of those clubs from outside Europe and South America. Although you also have to consider they have had home continent advantage as every one of these World Club Cups, in their current format, have been held in Asia, either Japan or UAE. According to their Wikipedia entry, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seongnam_Ilhwa_Chunma Seongnam are the most successful Korean club and are owned by Reverend Sun Myung Moon's Unification Church. I guess they will never be short of fans wherever they go and they had a substantial amount of fans in Abu Dhabi yesterday. Surprisingly only their goalkeeper Jung Sung-Ryong is a regualr with Korea's national team but they are complimented by a good trio of foreign players, the Australian defender Ognenovski, the Colombian midfielder Molina and Montenegrin forward Radoncic. Fernando Baiano who scored Al Wahda's goal used to play for Celta Vigo in Spain, back when Celta were a pretty good first division club in Spain. So the semifinals are, Tuesday Internacional-TP Mazembe Wednesday Inter Milan-Seongnam Looks like we will have the Inter vs Inter final uless Seongnam or TP Mazembe can pull off the surprise of this or any of the World Club Cups. |
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| SuperEagle | Dec 13 2010, 11:20 AM Post #25 |
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I wonder if the Washington Times, another Unification Church owned business, will be covering Seongnam's games! ![]() Some comments from Internacional's coach Celso Roth about TP Mazembe ahead of tomorrow's semifinal,
http://sports.yahoo.com/soccer/news?slug=reu-world_pix Looks like he has studied his opponent well but is also full of praise for them for the exact reasons that we here discussed, this is a tactically disciplined team. Nkono I am sure remembers that Lamine Ndiaye, the Senegalese coach of TP Mazembe coached Cotonsport Garoua when they nearly won the African title a few seasons ago so he is a coach who knows how to do well in international competitions. Internacional are the obvious favourites but TP Mazembe will not be scared of them and could make a very tricky opponent. |
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| Santista | Dec 13 2010, 09:28 PM Post #26 |
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Celso Roth is a very detail oriented coach so I am not surprised he has researched TP Mazembe. Internacional have really been focusing on this World Club Cup and they want to go one better than their eternal rivals Gremio, who won the Intercontinental Cup in 1983, and obtain their 2nd World Club title. With Inter Milan going through a rough patch currently, this could be Internacional's year to reclaim the title for South America. But first things first and they need to get past TP Mazembe. By the way every time a Brasilian club has been in the World Club Cup it has won the competition. And since the event went to it's current format, only when a Brasilian club has competed has a South American club won. |
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| cafetero | Dec 13 2010, 10:10 PM Post #27 |
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I had not thought of that but this is true, Sao Paulo in 2005 and Internacional in 2006. You can add Corinthians in 2000 in the tourney's previous format to the list of Brazilian winners. But Boca in 2007, Liga de Quito in 2008 and Estudiantes last year were each beaten by European clubs for the title. TP Mazembe will make Internacional work for a win, as others noted the Congo club are tactically astute and are full of energy. Their success however may depend on how closely the referee calls the match because they will try and use their physical strength to take Internacional out of their game. |
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| robdog | Dec 14 2010, 02:10 PM Post #28 |
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I want to see even more criticism about Internacional w/ their loss to Mazembe. I don't want to read any glory about Internacional. Their defeat was worse than Los Tuzos & people around here thought Los Tuzos were pitiful. <_< |
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| Dr. Z | Dec 14 2010, 04:28 PM Post #29 |
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You beat me to it robdog! I feel much better about Pachuca's loss to Mazembe now that the supposed mighty Internacional also went down. it was pretty much the same Rx which got Mazembe the win over pachcua, defend well and look for goals on the counter and that is excatly what they did as TP Mazmebe scored the biggest upset of this competition's history and becomes the first club from outside Europe or South America to advance to the final. Now wouldn't it be something if Seongnam upsets Inter Milan tomorrow?
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| Sammy Maudlin | Dec 14 2010, 04:47 PM Post #30 |
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Full credit to TP Mazembe, they scored two nice goals on the break, defended well, got some good goalkeeping and let's also be honest benefited from some poor finishing by Internacional. But what a historic win and I think this is good for the event, maybe Internacional took them a little too lightly? After this result I am sure Inter Milan will not be taking Seongnam lightly! |
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