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| Top-Rated Players of the Bundesliga (1963-2010); as determined by 'Kicker' magazine | |
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| Johnbuildr | Aug 25 2010, 05:28 AM Post #16 |
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Yeah, Beckenbauer had it all: speed, power, balance, timing, field vision, and to top it all off, consistency like few, if any, others. The kind of player that made others around him better and who refused to lose. Give him a lifetime rating of 1.5!
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| Gregoriak | Sep 4 2010, 10:09 AM Post #17 |
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PART FOUR Top-Rated Goalkeepers 1963-64 1.83 Manfred PAUL 1964-65 1.76 Hans TILKOWSKI 1965-66 1.58 Sepp MAIER 1966-67 1.66 Horst WOLTER 1967-68 1.84 Horst WOLTER 1968-69 1.71 Volkmar GROSS 1969-70 1.85 Sepp MAIER 1970-71 2.00 Volker DANNER 1971-72 2.03 Norbert NIGBUR 1972-73 1.85 Bernd FRANKE 1973-74 1.88 Norbert NIGBUR 1974-75 2.00 Bernd FRANKE 1975-76 2.00 Rudi KARGUS 1976-77 1.65 Volkmar GROSS 1977-78 1.91 Ronnie HELLSTRÖM 1978-79 1.91 Dieter BURDENSKI 1979-80 2.11 Norbert NIGBUR 1980-81 2.13 Heinz-Josef KOITKA 1981-82 1.94 Bernd FRANKE 1982-83 2.00 Bernd FRANKE 1983-84 2.18 Harald SCHUMACHER 1984-85 2.38 Gerald EHRMANN 1985-86 2.35 Dieter BURDENSKI 1986-87 2.13 Uwe KAMPS 1987-88 2.38 Andreas KÖPKE 1988-89 2.42 Gerald EHRMANN 1989-90 2.50 Uli STEIN 1990-91 2.50 Uli STEIN 1991-92 2.32 Uli STEIN 1992-93 2.35 Uli STEIN 1993-94 2.39 Oliver KAHN 1994-95 2.71 Uli STEIN 1995-96 2.53 Georg KOCH 1996-97 2.55 Oliver KAHN 1997-98 2.69 Oliver KAHN 1998-99 2.63 Gintaras STAUCE 1999-00 2.67 Oliver KAHN 2000-01 2.75 Oliver KAHN 2001-02 2.66 Oliver KAHN 2002-03 2.66 Rein VAN DUIJNHOVEN 2003-04 2.74 Rein VAN DUIJNHOVEN 2004-05 2.58 Roman WEIDENFELLER 2005-06 2.65 Roman WEIDENFELLER 2006-07 2.61 Manuel NEUER 2007-08 2.62 Diego BENAGLIO 2008-09 2.67 Robert ENKE 2009-10 2.83 Heinz MÜLLER 1963-64 1.83 Manfred Paul 1.86 Hans Tilkowski 1.86 Hans Jäcker 1.90 Günter Sawitzki 1.90 Petar Radenkovic 1964-65 1.76 Hans Tilkowski 1.80 Wolfgang Fahrian 1.90 Horst Kirsch 1.96 Roland Wabra 2.00 Hans Jäcker 1965-66 1.58 Sepp Maier 1.71 Günter Bernard 1.80 Dr. Peter Kunter 1.85 Günter Sawitzki 1.86 Manfred Paul 1966-67 1.66 Horst Wolter 1.79 Sepp Maier 1.86 Hermann Ross 1.91 Siegfried Kessler 1.92 Petar Radenkovic 1967-68 1.84 Horst Wolter 1.85 Petar Radenkovic 1.85 Roland Wabra 1.90 Jürgen Rynio 2.03 Volkmar Danner 1968-69 1.71 Volkmar Gross 1.94 Manfred Manglitz 1.96 Jürgen Rynio 1.96 Horst Wolter 1.97 Gerhard Heinze 1969-70 1.85 Sepp Maier 1.88 Manfred Manglitz 2.03 Petar Radenkovic 2.05 Volkmar Gross 2.09 Norbert Nigbur 1970-71 2.00 Volker Danner 2.03 Norbert Nigbur 2.04 Dr. Peter Kunter 2.09 Volkmar Gross 2.09 Sepp Maier 1971-72 2.03 Norbert Nigbur 2.08 Bernd Franke 2.16 Dieter Burdenski 2.19 Dr. Peter Kunter 2.32 Gerhard Welz 1972-73 1.85 Bernd Franke 1.93 Günter Bernard 2.03 Gerhard Heinze 2.06 Norbert Nigbur 2.17 Dietmar Linders 1973-74 1.88 Norbert Nigbur 2.00 Franz-Josef Pauly 2.12 Dietmar Linders 2.18 Werner Scholz 2.19 Wilfried Woyke 1974-75 2.00 Bernd Franke 2.03 Ronnie Hellström 2.09 Sepp Maier 2.15 Werner Scholz 2.22 Gerhard Heinze 1975-76 2.00 Rudi Kargus 2.03 Bernd Franke 2.06 Sepp Maier 2.09 Dieter Burdenski 2.12 Ronnie Hellström 1976-77 1.65 Volkmar Gross 1.88 Bernd Franke 1.97 Norbert Nigbur 2.00 Dieter Burdenski 2.00 Dieter Ferner 1977-78 1.91 Ronnie Hellström 2.00 Dieter Burdenski 2.12 Norbert Nigbur 2.12 Helmut Roleder 2.13 Bernd Franke 1978-79 1.91 Dieter Burdenski 2.00 Ronnie Hellström 2.06 Norbert Nigbur 2.12 Uli Stein 2.26 Rudi Kargus 1979-80 2.11 Norbert Nigbur 2.12 Harald Schumacher 2.19 Bernd Franke 2.27 Ronnie Hellström 2.32 Helmut Roleder 1980-81 2.13 Heinz-Josef Koitka 2.15 Ronnie Hellström 2.21 Harald Schumacher 2.32 Gerhard Heinze 2.36 Rudi Kargus 1981-82 1.94 Bernd Franke 2.14 Rudi Wimmer 2.21 Dieter Burdenski 2.28 Ralf Zumdick 2.35 Eike Immel 1982-83 2.00 Bernd Franke 2.18 Dieter Burdenski 2.21 Rudi Kargus 2.21 Harald Schumacher 2.22 Jean-Marie Pfaff 1983-84 2.18 Harald Schumacher 2.20 Bernd Franke 2.24 Helmut Roleder 2.26 Dieter Burdenski 2.32 Wolfgang Kneib 1984-85 2.38 Gerald Ehrmann 2.39 Uli Stein 2.47 Uwe Greiner 2.47 Uli Sude 2.48 Walter Junghans 1985-86 2.35 Dieter Burdenski 2.41 Eike Immel 2.50 Carsten Hallmann 2.50 Jean-Marie Pfaff 2.52 Harald Schumacher 1986-87 2.13 Uwe Kamps 2.43 Uli Stein 2.55 Rudi Kargus 2.59 Rüdiger Vollborn 2.59 Wolfgang de Beer 2.59 Jean-Marie Pfaff 1987-88 2.38 Andreas Köpke 2.47 Uwe Kamps 2.55 Uli Stein 2.59 Eike Immel 2.59 Uwe Zimmermann 1988-89 2.42 Gerald Ehrmann 2.42 Andreas Köpke 2.47 Wolfgang de Beer 2.56 Uli Stein 2.59 Raimond Aumann 1989-90 2.50 Uli Stein 2.53 Rüdiger Vollborn 2.57 Gerald Ehrmann 2.62 Uwe Kamps 2.65 Richard Golz 1990-91 2.50 Uli Stein 2.52 Andreas Köpke 2.63 Jörg Schmadtke 2.64 Oliver Kahn 2.75 Wolfgang de Beer 1991-92 2.32 Uli Stein 2.35 Andreas Köpke 2.54 Bodo Illgner 2.63 Eike Immel 2.71 Gerald Ehrmann 2.71 Rüdiger Vollborn 1992-93 2.35 Uli Stein 2.50 Andreas Köpke 2.65 Stefan Klos 2.68 Oliver Kahn 2.73 Eike Immel 1993-94 2.39 Oliver Kahn 2.48 Bodo Illgner 2.50 Uli Stein 2.65 Andreas Köpke 2.70 Raimond Aumann 1994-95 2.71 Uli Stein 2.73 Bernd Meier 2.75 Andreas Köpke 2.79 Bernd Dreher 2.81 Uwe Kamps 1995-96 2.53 Georg Koch 2.55 Oliver Reck 2.59 Jens Lehmann 2.68 Dirk Heinen 2.72 Perry Bräutigam 1996-97 2.55 Oliver Kahn 2.66 Claus Reitmaier 2.70 Georg Koch 2.79 Uwe Gospodarek 2.82 Perry Bräutigam 1997-98 2.69 Oliver Kahn 2.73 Martin Pieckenhagen 2.80 Franz Wohlfahrt 2.81 Thomas Ernst 2.81 Uwe Kamps 1998-99 2.63 Gintaras Stauce 2.71 Oka Nikolov 2.74 Oliver Kahn 2.82 Richard Golz 2.83 Stefan Klos 1999-2000 2.67 Oliver Kahn 2.72 Jörg Butt 2.79 Dirk Heinen 2.86 Andreas Reinke 2.89 Daniel Hoffmann 2000-01 2.75 Oliver Kahn 2.82 Martin Pieckenhagen 2.84 Frank Rost 2.84 Georg Koch 2.86 Rein van Duijnhoven 2001-02 2.66 Oliver Kahn 2.69 Frank Rost 2.83 Jens Lehmann 2.88 Gabor Kiraly 2.90 Jörg Butt 2002-03 2.66 Rein van Duijnhoven 2.71 Tim Wiese 2.75 Timo Hildebrand 2.78 Simon Jentzsch 2.79 Frank Rost 2003-04 2.74 Rein van Duijnhoven 2.81 Timo Hildebrand 2.86 Oliver Kahn 2.89 Matthias Schober 2.94 Jörg Butt 2004-05 2.58 Roman Weidenfeller 2.78 Robert Enke 2.82 Dimo Wache 2.83 Rein van Duijnhoven 2.88 Simon Jentzsch 2005-06 2.65 Roman Weidenfeller 2.78 Frank Rost 2.79 Kasey Keller 2.79 Georg Koch 2.89 RobertEnke 2006-07 2.61 Manuel Neuer 2.76 Jaroslav Drobny 2.79 Raphael Schäfer 2.89 Timo Hildebrand 2.93 Roman Weidenfeller 2007-08 2.62 Diego Benaglio 2.62 René Adler 2.75 Robert Enke 2.84 Frank Rost 2.96 Markus Pröll 2008-09 2.67 Robert Enke 2.87 Diego Benaglio 2.91 Manuel Neuer 2.92 Jaroslav Drobny 2.95 René Adler 2009-10 2.83 Heinz Müller 2.84 Tim Wiese 2.85 Frank Rost 2.85 Jörg Butt 2.88 Jaroslav Drobny |
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| Onslow | Sep 5 2010, 12:20 AM Post #18 |
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Some interesting lists you have compiled Gregoriak. I have a few comments and a question after reading them. The question is about Tony Woodcock who I see one season was listed as one of the top 5 highest rated midfielders in the Bundesliga at the start of the 1980s. I always viewed Woodcock as a striker and indeed that is where he played for Nottingham Forest before he signed for FC Koln and where he played for England too. I did not know, however, that in Germany Woodcock played in midfield. So Franz Beckenbauer and Oliver kahn with 6 each are the players who most often won the yearly prize for being the highest rated player at their respective positions. but Uli Stein, a pretty good but far from great goalie, is right behind them, 5 times receiving the highest season ratings for a goalkeeper! And Sepp Maier only won the prize twice in his illustrious career. I think if you asked most people here to rate the top 10 goalkeepers of all time, almost all would include Maier somewhere in that top 10, none would have Stein there. I am assuming Stein benefited from playing during a period when Germany was not blessed with much goalkeeping talent. |
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| Gregoriak | Sep 5 2010, 03:05 AM Post #19 |
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I checked my Bundesliga facts book regarding the tactical lineups of Köln in the 1979-80 season and found that Woodcock - nominally - started 12 times as a left wing & 8 times as a left midfielder (he debuted for Köln on 8 December '79). Based on that, he should have been in the forwards category. Köln's tactical scheme that season looked roughly like this: ---Woodcock-----------D.Müller----------Littbarski --------Willmer----------------------H.Zimmermann -------------------------Schuster ------Prestin-------Strack-----Cullmann----Konopka ------------------------Schumacher Woodcock most likely was used as a support striker in the left midfield position. With Littbarski and Müller upfront, Woodcock may not have been that of an out-and-out striker, unlike perhaps to what he played at Forest. Thus he could have been considered either part of midfield or attack due to his supporting role. 'Kicker' rated Woodcock as 'international class' after the 1979-80 season in their 'ranking list of German football', but at that time the position was not specified for non-German players, thus we can't determine what position he was rated international class that season. Uli Stein is a bit of an underrated goalkeeper. During the first half of the 1980s, he was overshadowed by Harald Schumacher among German goalkeepers, despite not being notably worse than him. Stein was part of the 1986 World Cup squad but would not accept being only the #2 goalkeeper behind Schumacher. He insulted Franz Beckenbauer in Mexico, calling him a "clown". He was thrown out of the national team and never called up again. If Stein had known that Schumacher himself would be thrown out of the national team only 6 months later (due to his book "Anpfiff"), he might have been more calm in Mexico. Stein would have been the dead cert no. 1 goalkeeper for Germany during the late-1980s, including the 1990 World Cup. Had he kept the German goal in Italy 1990, his name would have been far more well-known outside of Germany and people wouldn't be surprised seeing him being the best-rated keeper of the Bundesliga for 5 times. He really was an outstandingly good goalkeeper for Eintracht Frankfurt and kept his level right to the mid-1990s. |
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| Gregoriak | Sep 5 2010, 03:22 AM Post #20 |
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I'm a great fan of Franz Beckenbauer myself. Beckenbauer winning the ball for Germany in their own half to hit a pass with the outside of his right foot which led to Germany's first goal in the 1975 friendly Germany v Holland: Germany v Holland 1975 - First goal Beckenbauer's smooth, elegant and effortless way of defending. Watch how calm he exerts his style even in his own penalty box, totally assured of his ways: Beckenbauer - The Art of Defending Beckenbauer's fine chip during the 1974 World Cup final. Just imagine that had been a goal. You don't see players these days chipping the ball at freekicks anymore. Beckenbauer Chip 1974 World Cup Final And finally, testimony to Beckenbauer's greast offensive threat is this short clip from the 1970 World Cup. Again, just imagine he had scored after that fine solo: Beckenbauer vs. Bulgaria 1970 |
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| Johnbuildr | Sep 7 2010, 05:23 AM Post #21 |
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Many thanks for the memories of Beckenbauer's play that those clips provide, Gregoriak! They also reminded me that I forgot perhaps the most descriptive adjective of his play: Smooth! |
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| ursus arctos | Sep 7 2010, 06:58 AM Post #22 |
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Without question the best defender I've ever had the pleasure of seeing live (honourable mention to Scirea, Baresi, Maldini and Javier Zanetti). For all of Beckenbauer's physical talents, his greatest strength in my view was remarkable vision and an almost unparalleled "footballing brain" which allowed him to nearly always anticipate play so as to position himself where he needed to be. As a result, he made very difficult plays look easy and gifted himself invaluable time on the ball. |
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| rosarino | Sep 7 2010, 10:29 PM Post #23 |
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John and ursus have said it all about Beckenbauer, smooth, intelligent, well positioned, great vison. He always looked to me like someone who did not even break a sweat even when covering a lot of ground on the field. There is a reason most ratings of the world's best players usually have him as the highest rated defender. |
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