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| Europa League 2010-11 | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Jul 29 2010, 12:33 PM (1,680 Views) | |
| ursus arctos | Jul 29 2010, 12:33 PM Post #1 |
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Looks as if we don't have a thread yet, but we are well into the 3d qualifying round, and the results are starting to get interesting. US national team target Yura Movsisyan scored both of Randers' goals in their 3-2 Europa League loss to Lausanne. Get that man a cap now. And more pain for Scotland following Celtic's humiliating Champions League loss to Braga, as Hibs lose 3-0 to Maribor in Slovenia. The biggest shock so far, however is Red Star Belgrade's (aka Crvena Zvezda) 2-1 loss at home to Slovan Bratislava. It's been a bad week for former European Cup winners (though Liverpool are winning 2-0 in Macedonia and Juventus are up by the same score in Dublin). |
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| Sammy Maudlin | Jul 29 2010, 12:40 PM Post #2 |
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What do you think is behind the fall of club sides from the former Yugoslavia? Even in the communist era, Yugoslavia still imported players to the West, so can a player exodus be the reason why notably Serbian and Croatian clubs, the biggest from the former Yugoslavia, so rarely even qualify for the group stages in the Champions League? We have had Czech, Bulgarian, Russian, Ukrainian even Hungarian and Slovenian teams make the Champions League group stage in recent years but I cannot recall any from Serbia or Croatia other than Partizan Belgrade about 6 years ago, which is almost a lifetime now in the sport! |
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| Yogi | Jul 29 2010, 04:01 PM Post #3 |
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Here is a review of the day's action, including the wins for Juventus and Liverpol that ursus wrote about, http://sports.yahoo.com/soccer/news?slug=afp-fbleurc3 Stuttgart, Sporting Lisbon and Montpellier also won away from home but Olympiakos only were able to win 2-1 at home over Maccabi Tel Aviv while Galatasaray let slip a 2-0 home lead and drew 2-2 with OFK Belgrade. As for why Serbian and Croatian teams have not done so well recently, I would ask other than that Red Star Belgrade team which were European champions in the early 90s when have clubs from the former Yugoslavia ever been contenders in European competitions? Teams from the former Soviet Union and East Germany won titles, Romania's Steaua Bucharest did too but I can not recall teams from the ex Yugoslavia doing much in Europe other than that Red Star team. Maybe they are weaker now than they were 15 years ago because more players have left for western Europe than before but I think their decline has only been minimal. It is not the same for instance as the decline of teams like Anderlecht or IFK Goteborg who were regular finalists in European competitions in the 80s. |
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| ursus arctos | Jul 29 2010, 04:46 PM Post #4 |
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Yogi makes an excellent point about the past success of Serbian and Croatian clubs. In addition to Red Star, Partizan lost the 1966 European Cup final to Real Madrid, but they are the only Serbian club to have qualified for the group stages of the Champions League since its inception. Similarly, Dinamo Zagreb have "Croatia's" only European title (the 1966-67 Fairs Cup), and have managed five appearances in the CL group stages, while Hajduk Split have two European semi-finals to their credit, and one appearance in the CL group stages, while Dinamo Zagreb. My take is that the reasons for the apparent underperformance of these clubs compared to the talent they had available in both periods is the same. The best Yugoslav players emigrated earlier than their counterparts from any other Eastern European country. It began as early as the 1960s, and by now has become a flood. The Balkan Wars certainly didn't help things, but Serbia's World Cup squad only included two "domestic" players and the current Croatian squad is similarly situated. Another factor for the "Yugoslav" period was that the national team generally had representatives from a relatively large number of clubs for a relatively small country. All four of the clubs mentioned above were represented in virtually every Yugoslav national side, and you would also find players from the Bosnian clubs like Željeznicar and FK Sarajevo, as well as representatives from clubs like Olimipia Ljubljana (Slovenia), Buducnost and Rudar (Montenegro) and Vardar (Macedonia). Regional loyalties meant that the players weren't concentrated at two or three clubs, which made the clubs less competitive on the European stage than their Eastern European counterparts (who either were virtual national teams (like Steaua and CSKA Sofia) or from much larger countries (like the East German or Soviet clubs). |
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| raconteur | Jul 29 2010, 07:35 PM Post #5 |
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Good point about how talent was more dispersed in the old Yugoslavia than it was in other Eastern Bloc countries where most top players were literally forced to play for the regimes favored club. But I think that Red Star Belgrade team which were European champs in 1991 has to be considered one of the best ever teams from Eastern Europe. Savicevic, Prosinecki, Mihajlovic, Jugovic, Pancev and Belodedici, that was a talented bunch. ironic how they won the European title, the first for a Yugoslav club just as Yugoslavia was disintegrating. |
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| Hector | Sep 18 2010, 04:01 PM Post #6 |
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Sevilla played a poor game and only drew 0-0 with PSG but after the match field a complaint alleging that PSG's Cameroon born goalie Apoula edel is playing under a false name and age. http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100918/sp_so..._20100918185002 The allegation is that the 24 year old Edel is really 29 and his true name is Ambroise Beyamena. Personally I do not expect anything to happen with this complaint but if true, I imagine Edel will be suspended just as that Brasilian player with Bologna I believe also had a one year suspension for lying about his true name or age. I do not recall his club being sanctioned. |
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| Alexao | Sep 18 2010, 04:25 PM Post #7 |
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Luciano Luciano, a Brasilian winger for Chievo in Italy played under a different name (Eriberto) and with a younger age until he finally came clean. His club was not punished but he was suspended for 7 months which was later reduced to 4. If the allegations about Edel are true he would eb smart to come clean and then he likely would face a less strict suspension. |
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| rosarino | Sep 19 2010, 03:53 PM Post #8 |
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WAsn't Luciano/Eriberto caught up in the passport scandal in Italy? The one where some South American players were found to have falsely obtained EU passports by wrongly claiming some European family background? |
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| Yogi | Sep 22 2010, 07:33 AM Post #9 |
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That sounds familiar to me too rosarino. That could have been how his altered background came to light. Meanwhile Apoula Edel's lawyer says he is in the clear, http://sports.yahoo.com/soccer/news?slug=reu-franceedel Paris St Germain goalkeeper Apoula Edel, who is the subject of a protest to UEFA by Spanish club Sevilla for false identity, has been cleared of any wrongdoing by French police, his lawyer said on Wednesday. The Cameroon-born player spoke to police at a station in the Paris suburb of Poissy on Monday after lodging a complaint against his former coach and agent Nicolas Philibert. “Apoula Edel was heard by the police as part of a complaint of attempted blackmail against Mr Philibert,” his lawyer Christophe Bigot told Reuters by telephone. “He was asked to elaborate on this matter. There were questions on his identity but it was not the prime subject of the discussion.” Police checked his identity and concluded that “Edel had nothing to worry about,” Bigot added. Although can we trust what a lawyer says, especially one who is named Mr. Bigot! :lol: |
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| Yogi | Sep 24 2010, 09:04 AM Post #10 |
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Mr. Bigot did his job as the police have cleared Edel of any wrongdoing and thus Sevilla's appeal of their 1-0 Europa League loss to PSG has been denied. http://sports.yahoo.com/soccer/news?slug=a...lseidentitycase As for Luciano formerly Eriberto, here is an article on how the now 35 year old has been playing a key role in Chievo's good start in Serie A and also gives some more details on how and why he came clean with his real name and age: http://football-italia.net/blogs/jh115.html |
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| Merengue | Oct 6 2010, 08:36 AM Post #11 |
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Mr. Bigot may have to continue defending his client as Sevilla are pursuing their appeal over Edel's eligibility, Sevilla Don't Give Up |
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| Mr. Pither | Oct 8 2010, 10:56 PM Post #12 |
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That is Mr. Bee-zho to you! Sevilla either have some previously undisclosed evidence against Edel or they are simply wasting everybody's time with this appeal. |
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| Manzanares | Oct 11 2010, 08:47 AM Post #13 |
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I crack up every time I read Edel's attorney's name! So it is strike two against Sevilla as their appeal to UEFA was turned down, http://sports.yahoo.com/soccer/news?slug=a...lseidentitycase All that remains is an appeal to CAS, the sports arbitration organization. |
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| libero | Dec 1 2010, 09:07 PM Post #14 |
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A review of round 5 of group play, http://sports.yahoo.com/soccer/news?slug=a...paleagueroundup Zenit St Petersburg, PSV Eindhoven, Bayer Leverkusen, Manchester City, Stuttgart, Young Boys Berne, Sporting Lisbon, Porto, CSKA Moscow and BATE Borisov are in to the next round. But both Juventus and Sampdoria have been eliminated and today's 3-2 win for Aris Salonika at Atletico Madrid puts the defending champions Atletico at serious risk of not qualifying for the knockout stage. This is the 2nd staright year Juventus have had an embarassing early exit from Europe. That does not sit well. |
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| Manzanares | Dec 15 2010, 10:10 AM Post #15 |
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A previe wof some of the 'do or die" matche son the final round of Europa League group matches, http://sports.yahoo.com/soccer/news?slug=afp-fbleurc3 My Atletico Madrid need a lot right to go their way in order to qualify but the most interetsing game may be later tonight in Sevilla where Sevilla need just a draw but Borussia Dortmund must win in order to advance. Adding extra interets in the game is how much Sevilla are struggling in the Spanish League while Dortmund are running away with the German league,s etting records for points earned at the winter break. Some other importnat matches to be played these next few days too such as Ghent-Lille and Steaua-Napoli. |
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