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Champions League 2010-11
Topic Started: Jul 16 2010, 07:51 AM (4,391 Views)
Sporting
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Maybe one solution to counter time wasting would be to award a free kick from where the incident occured to the opposing team. Perhaps some sort of time limit could be put on a team to take a throw-in, goal kick, etc.?
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Sporting,Nov 25 2010
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Maybe one solution to counter time wasting would be to award a free kick from where the incident occured to the opposing team. Perhaps some sort of time limit could be put on a team to take a throw-in, goal kick, etc.?

Most time wasting is done by goalkeepers and the ref usuallyw arns them once then will book them. The problem with Sporting's suggestion under those circumstances is you would have a free kick right in front of goal. I guess that would discourage time wasting!

Actually I do not see time wasting as a big problem in the sport, the refs already have means to counter act that, tell the teams to get going or else they will be carded and the ref can always add time on at the end of the 90 minutes if he feels a team is wasting time.
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I don't see time wasting as a major problem either, but there are times when it can be. In the case of Madrid the cards are exactly what they wanted so this was no deterrent. I am also doubtful as to whether referees really add on enough extra time when time wasting has been going on, though this belief is based more on a feeling that any statistical evidence.


By the way, if Madrid are fined for their actions, the amounts are likely to be what Mourinho carries around in his back pocket!
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The fact Lyon players were fined for doing something similar several years ago likely means Madrid's players will be similarly fined. It may also include Casillas, Dudek and Mourinho, the goalkeepers for their alleged role in relaying Mourinho's instructions to Sergio Ramos and Xabi Alonso and the coach of course for masterminding it all.

But as some others have posted here, what is the big deal with this? It is not specifically against the rules and really was a smart way to wipe their yellow cards clean for the elimination rounds. It is because it is Jose Mourinho who some in the press are trying to make out as being the devil, that this is getting attention. Other players and teams have done something similar and only Lyon several years ago were fined for doing it, the others escaped without punishment.
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I'll have to differ from the majority opinion on here I think - I thought that kind of brazen gamesmanship and cynicism really left a bad taste in the mouth and was just taking the mick out of the competition. I'd personally like to see both players given two match suspensions, and preferably a touchline ban for Mourinho as well.

I don't know how you'd write legislation to cover this specifically, but it was the so very obvious way in which those players deliberately got sent off that just seems to stick two fingers up at the competition, at their opponents and at any principles of sportsmanship. I really think it should be strictly clamped down upon.
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I agree with you, Simon; I thought it was unnecessary and cynical. If they had the "cojones" to admit what they did in public then I would begin to forgive it, but Mourinho's feigned annoyance at the sendings-off is just a bit much for me.

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gaviota,Nov 26 2010
11:29 AM
The fact Lyon players were fined for doing something similar several years ago likely means Madrid's players will be similarly fined. It may also include Casillas, Dudek and Mourinho, the goalkeepers for their alleged role in relaying Mourinho's instructions to Sergio Ramos and Xabi Alonso and the coach of course for masterminding it all.


UEFA's ruling is in,

A one game European suspension for Mourinho (actually it is two but one of those is suspended during a 3 year probationary period for Mourinho)

Fines for Real Madrid (120K euros), Mourinho (40K) and an undisclosed amount for Xabi Alonso, Sergio Ramos, Casillas and Dudek. Xabi Alonso and Sergio Ramos will sit out Madrid's final group game after their expulsions but will not have their yellow card slate wiped clean, they will still carry one over into the knockout stages (where 3 yellows will get you a suspension.)

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The final group round begins. Tuesday's scores...
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Group A: FC Twente 3, Tottenham Hotspur 3; Werder Bremen 3, Inter Milan 0.
Group B: Benfica 1, Schalke 04 2; Olympique Lyon 2, Hapoel Tel Aviv 2.
Group C: Bursaspor 1, Rangers 1; Manchester United 1, Valencia 1.
Group D: Barcelona 2, Rubin Kazan 0; FC Copenhagen 3, Panathinaikos 1.

My Spurs finish top of the group after another barn-burner, but they must feel a little peeved about giving up the lead three times, as the Dutch champions rallied repeatedly after giving up a first-half own goal and a second-half pair by Defoe. Bremen woke up in time to give sleepwalking Inter a hiding, and this should put even more pressure on Rafa Benitez. Lyon was five minutes from losing at home to the Israeli bottom side, and Schalke swept past to clinch Group B.

It was a fairly quiet night at Old Trafford as Man U did just enough to hold down the Ches and win its group. Valencia led at halftime as Carrick's flub led to a 3-on-2 finished off by Pablo Hernandez; after the break (and several missed chances) Anderson potted a loose rebound from Park's blast to level the score. In Bursa, the home side finally scored to share the points with Rangers. Barcelona's second-stringers needed about an hour to take the lead at home, but were never bothered; Copenhagen finished off a good run of results to finish second in Group D.
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Not too much drama tonight with many clubs already qualified using reserve filled teams. But the top two from these groups ended up this way:

A: Tottenham, Inter
B: Schalke, Lyon
C: Manchester United, Valencia
D: Barcelona, FC Copenhagen
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I was happy enough with United, I thought it was a decent game that really we should have won, but fairly content with a point. Valencia came to have a go, which was good, and there was a good rhythm to the game. They were holding quite a high line without much success and United got in time and time again but weren't making the most of our opportunities, before Carrick lost his bearings and Valencia too the lead. After that I thought United responded well, Rooney played very impressively, Berbatov looked good (besides his blunt finishing), Park, Nani and Anderson also had good games (at least until Anderson tired on about 65 minutes) and we put Valencia under good pressure before eventually forcing an equaliser. I thought that would be the spur to go on and win the game but actually it oddly had the opposite effect and United played the last 20 minutes like they were trying to lose the game - constantly giving the ball away and neglecting the basics. Fortunately it ended 1-1.

That goal that Carrick gave away is actually the only we conceded in our 6 group matches so I have to be pleased with that aspect, even if we were mainly steady and solid during the group phase rather than spectacular. That was left to our compatriots, as the three London clubs are the top three scoring sides in the group stage of the CL - it's an area where I reckon we will raise our game though, especially now Rooney's back and playing well.

Winslow, congratulations on Tottenham's group victory. There's no better team to watch for fun and goals - okay just as many go in at the other end as are actually scored by your lot, but god knows it's entertaining to watch! Unfortunately I'm not sure a swashbuckling attack and a leaky defence is much of a formula for success in the CL, but Spurs have been a really refreshing team to have around in the competition.
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Winslow, congratulations on Tottenham's group victory. There's no better team to watch for fun and goals - okay just as many go in at the other end as are actually scored by your lot, but god knows it's entertaining to watch! Unfortunately I'm not sure a swashbuckling attack and a leaky defence is much of a formula for success in the CL, but Spurs have been a really refreshing team to have around in the competition.


Another Spurs fan here and to be honest I am just happy that Spurs made the knockout round. Any advancement beyond here is just an added bonus. For their first time in the competition I am pleased not only at the club's advancement but how it was achieved, by playing opening, attacking football. Simon likely is correct that farther down the road this style may prove suicidal but if nothing else Spurs have livened up an otherwise, at least in my opinion, drury group phase of the Champions League.

By winning their group Spurs have avoided other group winners so at the very least they will not be drawn against clubs like Barcelona, Real Madrid and Bayern Munich in the next round nor can they be paired against Inter who were in their group or any of England's other clubs so that does lessen the odds that Spurs will be paired against a powerhouse in the next stage.
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Hey Bursaspor finally got a goal, and a point, in their first year in the Champions League.

For the final day of group play there was an overall lack of drama which I guess shows how even at the Champions League level there has been a separation between the haves and have nots. But that is where Tottenham in their first Champions League and Shakhtar Donetsk who tomorrow may make it to the knockout round for the first time have been refreshing. It is good to get some new names into the elimination stage.

Twente, Benfica, Rangers and Rubin Kazan were the third place finishers who will go to the Europa League.
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Well you Spurs fans were helped by this gaffe by Twente's veteran goalkeeper Sander Boschker!

http://sports.yahoo.com/soccer/blog/dirty-...?urn=sow-292868

Simon, did you have to blink twice when you saw it was Anderson scoring a goal for Manchester United? ;)

Arsenal should qualify today for the elimination round but it looks like they will end up in 2nd place in their group behind Shakhtar which means the possibility of playing Barcelona, Real Madrid or Bayern Munich in the next round.
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If I am not mistaken the only way Arsenal does not qualify is if they lose tonight at home vs winless Partizan Belgrade and Braga wins by 4 goals at Shakhtar Donetsk. Not likely to happen but that is the only group still in play tonight.
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Group play limps to an end. Wednesday's scores...
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Group E: Bayern Munich 3, FC Basel 0; Cluj 1, Roma 1.
Group F: Olympique Marseille 1, Chelsea 0; Zilina 1, Spartak Moscow 2.
Group G: AC Milan 0, Ajax Amsterdam 2; Real Madrid 4, Auxerre 0.
Group H: Arsenal 3, Partizan Belgrade 1; Shakhtar Donetsk 2, Sporting Braga 0.

It took Arsenal most of the match at the Emirates to remove what little drama there was today. A generous van Persie PK on the half-hour was cancelled out by Cleo's goal after halftime, and it wasn't until Walcott came in midway through the second half that the Gunners played up to their capabilities. They took the lead for good as Walcott latched onto a poor clearance and hit a slick half-volley that snuck inside the far post; Nasri added another a few minutes later. In the closing minutes Sagna was sent off for a last-man-back foul, which may be an issue for Arsenal in the next round--though it won't be as big an issue as finishing second in the group, setting up a possible matchup with one of the big boys.

We should applaud Shakhtar Donetsk for winning Group H with a massive 15 points--very impressive even with subpar competition. Also deserving applause today is Benzema, who got a hat trick as Real demolished Auxerre at home; Ajax's comprehensive road win means little but pride, as Milan moves on as Group G runner-up. Ribery had a pair for Bayern as it wrapped up Group E at home, while Cluj got a late goal from Traore to tie up advancing Roma. Early crowd trouble held up the Zilina-Spartak match for 20 minutes, and Brandao got the late winner in OM's training exercise win at Stade Velodrome.
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