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| Champions League 2010-11 | |
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| Winslow | Nov 23 2010, 03:33 PM Post #91 |
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Tuesday's scores... . . . . . . Group E: FC Basel 1, Cluj 0; AS Roma 3, Bayern Munich 2. Group F: Spartak Moscow 0, Marseille 3; Chelsea 2, Zilina 1. Group G: Ajax 0, Real Madrid 4; Auxerre 0, AC Milan 2. Group H: Braga 2, Arsenal 0; Partizan Belgrade 0, Shakhtar Donetsk 3. Things are starting to settle into place for the second round, though the Gunners' unlikely road defeat means they'll have to pay attention in their final match against bottom-dwellers Partizan. Roma fell behind 2-0 before coming back on goals by Borriello, De Rossi, and a Totti PK; Basel still has a shot at second place, but c'mon. Zilina actually led at halftime at Stamford Bridge before Sturridge and Malouda spared the Blues' blushes; Marseille wrapped up second place with a comprehensive win in Moscow. Real delivered a stomping in Amsterdam--C. Ronaldo scored twice in the second half--while Ibrahimovic and Ronaldinho (really!) delivered Milan into the second round. |
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| raconteur | Nov 23 2010, 04:21 PM Post #92 |
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Ronaldinho scored after coming in as a substitute, a role he may have to get used to as Milan are winning without him. One of the chief reasons they are doing that has been Ibrahimovic who is scoring plenty of goals. Madrid made easy work of beating Ajax in Amsterdam. You have to admit they look scarily good right now. Hopefully they are peaking at the wrong time of the year though! ![]() Madrid & Milan and Chelsea & Marseille advancing mean their two groups are already decided. nice comeback for Roma against already qualified Bayern. Roma needed that win too with Basel also winning. Barring a last day miracle though looks like the Swiss will have to settle for the Europa League. |
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| Pepe | Nov 23 2010, 04:45 PM Post #93 |
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A very impressive win for Real Madrid at Ajax. Other than one save when it was already 3 or 4 to nothing, Casillas had very little to do. well other than receiving instructions from Mourinho (via backup goalie Jerzy Dudek) to tell Xabi Alonso and Sergio Ramos to intentionally pick up double yellows so they will be suspended for Madrid's now meaningless final group game and will not run the risk of missing the octave finals through yellow card accumulation. And for one of the few times this season, Mourinho actually rotated some players giving usual starters Higuain, Khedira (each slightly injured), Pepe, Carvalho and Di Maria the game off, although DiMaria did enter as a sub. It did not matter of course as Madrid's subs are quite accomplished in their own right. Chelsea played practically their youth team against Zilina but still won to keep the Slovakians winless. And the win guaranteed Chelea won the group. Arsenal surprisingly lost away to Braga, a team they beat by 6 earlier in the competition in London. Shakhtar's win now moves them ahead of Arsenal. |
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| xeneize | Nov 23 2010, 05:17 PM Post #94 |
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Typical bending but not breaking the rules from Mourinho. It is not surprising from him and does save those players from potential card trouble later on. Notice how quickly Real Madrid have taken to Mourinho's preferred style of physical, fast play filled with it's share of gamesmanship. He has that team playing very well now. The question is have they reached their roof or can they improve even more? |
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| Yogi | Nov 23 2010, 09:01 PM Post #95 |
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I just finished watching both Milan and Roma. Milan did not play a great game at Auxerre but the defense did well, Abbiati made some saves when needed and Robinho set up Ibrahimovic for a well struck first goal. It was then Robinho again assisting Ronaldinho for a curling shot in injury time for goal number 2. Milan needs Robinho playing like this so this game should help him solidify his place while Pato is still recuperating. As for Ronaldinho, Seedorf provides more energy in midfield so Ronaldinho may have to settle for being a super sub right now. A very entertaining game in Rome between Roma and Bayern. The Germans jumped out to a 2-0 lead as Mario Gomez finished two chances, one each created by Ribery (yes he is back) and Mueller. It looked like an easy win for Bayern, who to be fair were resting a few regulars, but Roma came out in the 2nd half with a lot of desire, scored a poacher's goal through Borriello and then kept pushing and finally tied it 10 minutes from the end when Vucinic set up Riise down the left and his low cross was knocked in by DeRossi. Totti came on as a sub and his through ball for Borriello caused Bayern's reserve goalie Kraft to bring the forward down. Totti converted the penalty even though Kraft did get a hand on it. A fine win by Roma with the attacking trio of Menez, Vucinic and Borriello creating a lot of danger for Bayern's defense. Ranieri has some decisions to make but maybe like Ronaldinho at Milan, Totti might best be used as a super sub? |
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| Martin | Nov 23 2010, 09:39 PM Post #96 |
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I saw the 2nd half of Roma-Bayern and it was a vibrant game. Bayern's defense can be vulnerable, especially Demichelis who had a poor game but credit to Roma who got on the scoreboard when the impressive meenz ble wby Tymoschuk then crossed for Borriello to score. looked like Borriello picke dup some pointers from Pippo Inzaghi when they were togetehr at milan as Borriello scored while falling to the ground. it looked exactly like a goal Inzaghi would have scored Yogi, it is one thing benching Ronaldinho at Milan, a club where he just arrived a few years ago, it is another benching Totti at Roma, his lifetime club. But your point is a good one, the trio of Menez-Vucinic-Borriello was very effective and that does not leave any room for Totti. Ranieri has some decisions to make. What an imressive win for Real Madrid. As Pepe noted, Mourinho finally did rotate some players and Madrid's subs produced when needed. Right now this is a team playing with a lot of confidence. Take a look at the first goal with Ozil making a wonderful backheeled knock down for Benzema to open the scoring. A beautiful bit of skill. Ozil is a damn good technician. |
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| Sammy Maudlin | Nov 23 2010, 10:02 PM Post #97 |
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Ranieri has already benched Totti on a few occasions and I remember earlier this year, Roma came from behind and won after he took both Totti and DeRossi off. So Ranieri does have the guts to bench Totti. If Roma keep playing well without him, he may continue to sit Totti. Roma are not yet in to the next round, they need to tie their final game at Cluj or if they lose there hope Basel does not beat Bayern in Munich in the final set of games. Chelsea won today while playing Drogba, Malouda, Ivanovic and Paolo Ferreira along with a bunch of kids. It is these youngsters who will have to step up with all of the club's current absences. |
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| Merengue | Nov 24 2010, 07:35 AM Post #98 |
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What an imressive win for Real Madrid. As Pepe noted, Mourinho finally did rotate some players and Madrid's subs produced when needed. Right now this is a team playing with a lot of confidence. Take a look at the first goal with Ozil making a wonderful backheeled knock down for Benzema to open the scoring. A beautiful bit of skill. Ozil is a damn good technician. Confidence is the appropriate word to describe how Real Madrid are playing now. There is not much to critize with how they are playing. So now of course the press has to look elsewhere and are commenting on Xabi Alonso and Sergio Ramos intentionally picking up double yellow cards so they will wipe their slate clean for the next round and will miss the now unimportant final group game (at least from Madrid's standpoint, Auxerre can still finish third and make the Europa League.) Word is UEFA are looking into the situation and if they find intention to purposely be sent off, they could extend their suspensions. i doubt that will happen. |
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| Yogi | Nov 24 2010, 08:00 AM Post #99 |
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I suppose UEFA could try and claim this was "unsportmanslike" conduct and look to either fine them or extend their suspension but they are not the frst players to do such a thing and won't be the last. I do not see that they specifically did anything which goes against the game's rules. they got their punishment which is a sending off. |
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| Dr. Z | Nov 24 2010, 08:22 AM Post #100 |
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As somebody else wrote, those red cards were bending the rules but not breaking them and even I, a Barcelona fan do not think they should receive additional punishment. Now if UEFA wants to draw the line, they can say after this incident we will watch out for intentional cards in the future and if we find that a player has intentionally picked up a red card in order to serve their suspension now, then they will either be fined or have their suspension extended. But as far as I know that rule does not currently exist and therefore they should not try and apply it retroactively. |
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| libero | Nov 24 2010, 10:40 AM Post #101 |
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Roma-Bayern really was an enjoyable game to watch and I agree with the comments on Bayern's defense, especially Demichelis being rubbish. Yet I imagine if Van Bommel and Schweinsteiger were playing there would have been more cover for that defense. Roma improved once Ranieri moved Menez from playing behind the two strikers to playing wide right, with Vucinic wide left in a 3 man forward line. It was this formation which really put the pressure on Bayern. Let's see what Ranieri will do this weekend in Serie A with Totti. After receiving the referee's report UEFA say they will look into whether Madrid's players purposely got themselves sent off. http://sports.yahoo.com/soccer/news?slug=reu-championsreal But for those writing there is no precedence for additional punishment, read this,
This time it was not committing deliberate fouls but rather was deliberate time wasting. That distinction, however, should not matter. |
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| valenciano | Nov 24 2010, 06:48 PM Post #102 |
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Wednesday's scores: Group A Inter Milan 1 - 0 FC Twente Enschede Tottenham H. 3 - 0 Werder Bremen Group B Hapoel Tel Aviv 3 - 0 Benfica Schalke 3 - 0 Lyon Group C Rangers 0 - 1 Manchester U. Valencia 6 - 1 Bursaspor Group D Rubin Kazan 1 - 0 FC Copenhagen Panathinaikos 0 - 3 Barcelona A definitive night in many of Wednesdya's groups as Inter, Tottenham, Schalke,Manchester United, valencia and Barcelona all joined Lyon in qualifying for the 2nd round. Added to yesterday's results that means 12 of the 16 qualified teams are aalready known going into the final set of group matches. Impressive wins for Tottenham at home and Barcelona at home with Valencia racking up 6 against Bursaspor, a team still winless in their inaugural Champions League. Rafael Benitez received a respite as Inter won a nervy 1-0 game over Twente while Rooney's late penalty gave Man United a win in Glasgow against Rangers. And the night's biggest surprise? Hapoel Tel Aviv defeating Benfica 3-0. |
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| SuperEagle | Nov 25 2010, 12:07 AM Post #103 |
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Damn Spurs really are taking to the Champions League in their inaugural run. Werder Bremen are currently in disarray but Spurs play in the group has I think been on eof the surprises of what otherwise has been a pretty routine group phase. I am a little upset with Arsenal's play of late and now they are forced to go out and get a result in their final match to ensure qualification. 2 rounds ago, qualification seemed assured. Arsenal need Vermaelen back to solidify the back line and it would be nice if they could play a healthy Fabregas and Van Persie together before the end of the year. i had forgotten about Lyon's players getting fined several years ago for taking deliberate cards and draw a suspension. That does set a precedent to do the same with Real Madrid's players who did that on Tuesday. Before reading of that I was thinking they would have gotten away with it as there was no specific rule prohibiting such action. But that apparently is wrong. |
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| Onslow | Nov 25 2010, 12:13 AM Post #104 |
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I have enjoyed watching Spurs attacking play in the Champions League. That style may eventually run them into trouble in the elimination rounds against better clubs but it has been enjoyable to watch. And it especially is pleasing to see a new English club in this competition and that club doing well. Luka Modric really seems to thrive on these European nights. I do not see what Mourinho and Real Madrid did as being wrong. Maybe they are manipulating the rules somewhat but better they get a yellow card for time wasting than having one of them whack an opposing player and pick up a booking that way. And is deliberately receiving a yellow card for time wasting any worse than deliberately tripping an opponent? I do not think so. |
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| Merengue | Nov 25 2010, 01:06 PM Post #105 |
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This I think is the point UEFA are missing in instigating this investigation of Madrid. If Madrid were to really be cyncial they would have done what Onslow suggests, have either Sergio Ramos or Xabi Alonso kick an Ajax player in order to get the needed card to wipe their slate clean for the future. But they didn't, they just picked up a cauton for time wasting. Yes it is manipulating the rules but it is not breaking them. A general "unsportsmanlike" conduct charge or a claim of bringing the game in disrepute is I think overreacting by UEFA and an attempt to find something, practically anything, with which to charge Mourinho and Real Madrid. Today I watched a replay of Schalke-Lyon and what an impressive game from Schalke and especially by Raul. He was as active and intelligent in his movements and passing as he was 5 years ago and was very effective playing behind Huntelaar as a media punta (support striker). Schalke's 4 man attack of Huntelaar, Raul, Farfan and Jurado was very dangerous and their rebuilt defense seems to be coming together now, that is two straight shutouts for Schalke, vs Werder Bremen and Lyon while they scored 7 goals in those two matches. Maybe Magath is starting to turn things around in Gelsenkirchen? |
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