| Welcome to Soccer Futbol Forum. We hope you enjoy your visit. You're currently viewing our forum as a guest. This means you are limited to certain areas of the board and there are some features you can't use. If you join our community, you'll be able to access member-only sections, and use many member-only features such as customizing your profile, sending personal messages, and voting in polls. Registration is simple, fast, and completely free. Join our community! If you're already a member please log in to your account to access all of our features: |
| Red card IFAB news?; Rule body on RED acrds | |
|---|---|
| Tweet Topic Started: Mar 6 2010, 09:50 PM (370 Views) | |
| NeverMissPens | Mar 6 2010, 09:50 PM Post #1 |
|
Advanced Member
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
|
the International Football Association Board (IFAB) met yesterday to discuss laws, the only reportage I can find covers video technology - I'm more interested in the discussion over changing the automatic red card for a foul stopping a goal-scoring opportunity. does anyone know the results of the discussion? Why isn't there an IFAB website with minutes? The law is flawed. Often players making genuine challenges are a split second late and are consequently sent-off, concede a penalty and are suspended for 1 game. I advoacted serious punishment for the so-called 'professional foul back in the 90's - witness the brilliant Howard Sammer (Germany) deliberately chop someone down in their own hlf during Euro 96? A 4 on 2 breakaway - obvious goalscoring opportunity - result no card, no penalty just a harmless free kick 70 yrds from goal. My proposal was to move any such cynically derived free-kick to a the top of the penalty arc (just outside the box). On situations where players were about to score but were fouled in a genuine effort surely a yellow and a penalty suffices... OR/And it could be that a penalty saved or missed brings a yellow card, a goal scored no further punishment (apart from the other ruels of the game - serious foul play etc) I've played and coached and I know people get told to foul (sometimes viciously) in sfae areas of the pitch, especially on breakaways - they'd stop doing so if the ref could award a free kick on their penalty arc... So - what do you think of the idea and any news of the new red card law, if any? |
![]() |
|
| xeneize | Mar 6 2010, 10:27 PM Post #2 |
|
Advanced Member
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
|
They only ruled on Saturday on not permitting the use of technology. The other matters the International Board are considering (the role of the 4th official, red card + penalty too harsh, the Europa League extra official experiment, etc.) will be decided upon at their next meeting on May 17 and 18 of this year. Your proposal is a unique one and could have had some merit a decade ago when enforcement of fouls stopping breakaways was not uniform. But I believe the rules as they currently stand would have meant Sammer (wasn't his name Matthias?) in the example you gave would now have received a yellow for stopping a counter going the other way even if he was 70 meters from goal. As for the penalty + red card rule, I agree that often is enforced too harshly. ironic that the International Board is now discussing this as recently that same topic was discussed in one of the disscussion threads on this message board. i will try and find it and link it here but I do recall the majority of posters agreed with you that when a player legitimately is going for the ball but misses and stops a breakaway inside the penalty area, a penalty + red card is too harsh of a penalty. |
![]() |
|
| rosarino | Mar 7 2010, 09:37 PM Post #3 |
|
Advanced Member
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
|
I think NeverMissPens, good screenname by the way, proposal would have made a lot of sense 5-10 years ago. But xeneize I think is right that the recent interpretations of the rules means that now when a player, even one far away from his own goal, tries and deliberately stops a quick counter, he will be booked. That is a good development in officiating and a way to counterbalance cynical play. |
![]() |
|
| Mr. Pither | Mar 9 2010, 07:20 AM Post #4 |
|
Advanced Member
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
|
I recall that discussion too xeneize but do not recall where we had it. This weekend's top of the table clash in France between Bordeaux and Montpellier provided an excellent example of why that rule of penalty and expulsion when the defencive player is attempting to play the ball is too rigorous a punishment. In that match a Montpellier attacker just got behind the last man on Bordeaux's defence, Ciani, but the defender recovered as the attacker broke into the penalty area and tried to go for the ball, plus put some body on him, and there was some contact. As some posters in the Ligue 1 discussion noted, that could even ahve been interpreted as a valid shoulder charge but Ciani also extended his hand and gave the montpellier attacker a push which is why I feel the referee blew for a penalty. Because Ciani was the last man back breaking up a goal scoring opportunity, he was red carded too. So Bordeaux had a penalty against them and were playing the final hour of the match down a man. Hopefully the international board will decide that when a player makes a legitimate attempt at playing the ball, but misses and does commit a penalty bringing an attacker down, the defender won't be sent off AND given a penalty even if he was the last man back and brke up a goalscoring chance. Awarding a penalty, and possibly giving a yellow card for the offence would be sufficient. |
|
P-I-T-H-E-R ...as in Brotherhood, but with PI instead of the BRO and no HOOD | |
![]() |
|
| raconteur | Mar 21 2010, 01:03 PM Post #5 |
|
Advanced Member
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
|
Yet another example where a change in this rule would have been more just. This weekend Arsenal's Thomas Vermaelen tried to play a high bouncing ball in the penalty area but fouled West Ham's Guillermo Franco as Vermaelen went for the ball but his raised leg caught Franco, penalty and sending off. A red card which could potentially have effected the English league title chase. Fortunately for Arsenal, the penalty was saved and Arsenal scored a short handed goal to win 2-0 but this sending off again emphasizes to me why this automatic sending off and a penalty should be modified. But knowing the stodginess of the International Board, i would be surprised if they did the right thing here. |
![]() |
|
| Iceman778 | Apr 10 2010, 08:16 PM Post #6 |
|
Member
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
|
He just behind the last man on Bordeaux Ciani but the defender recovered as the attacker broke into the penalty area and tried to go for the ball it seems to be good right |
![]() |
|
| Merengue | May 18 2010, 07:53 AM Post #7 |
|
Administrator
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
|
While the IFAB is allowing the 5 official experiment used in the Europa League to be expanded to any league which wants to use it and changed the rules prohibiting penalty takers from stopping just before striking a ball they still have not taken a stand on the red card and penalty issue.
http://sports.yahoo.com/soccer/news?slug=a...b-footballrules |
| http://twitter.com/#!/SocrFutbolForum | |
![]() |
|
| Martin | May 18 2010, 01:34 PM Post #8 |
|
Advanced Member
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
|
Putting off for tomorrow what could have been done today. Sad that they still are not dealing with this issue. Just instruct the referees that if a player is making a legitimate attempt at playing the ball but fouls a player thereby denying a goal scoring opportunity, the penalty, and perhaps a yellow card is appropriate but an automatic expulsion is too severe a punishment. |
| Club Sportivo Desamparados | |
![]() |
|
| ursus arctos | May 18 2010, 02:44 PM Post #9 |
|
Advanced Member
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
|
I think that the IFAB's defense here is the one that Pepe and El Profe have raised in another thread, namely that you don't want to be making significant changes to rule interpretations 30 days before a World Cup. Referees, managers and players may not like the current interpretation, but at least they are familiar with it. It would be very difficult to get everyone on the same page in four weeks, and (at least to me) the risk of getting it wrong or confusing things further outweighs the potential reward. |
![]() |
|
| « Previous Topic · General Soccer Discussion · Next Topic » |





![]](http://z1.ifrm.com/static/1/pip_r.png)



6:36 AM Jul 11