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Latest European Betting Scandal
Topic Started: Nov 20 2009, 03:15 PM (866 Views)
hobbes
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God help us all, but it looks like the Macedonia-Canada friendly of last month was fixed.

The culprit was Bulgarian referee Anton Genov.

The match was most notable for having four penalties — two each way, Macedonia made theirs and we missed ours. It appears that a few people made off like bandits taking extremely long odds betting that there would be four penalties in the match.

I think we may have gotten the dodgier of the penalty calls, but this is still reaffirming our whole 'everyone's out to get us' complex. Which, frankly, is healthy without any real reason to be and doesn't need to be fed by actual corruption.

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hobbes
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raconteur
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What's that expression, "You are not paranoid, if they really are out to get you!"
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ursus arctos
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"Just because you are paranoid, doesn't mean that they aren't out to get you"

Once again, anyone betting on the number of penalties in a Canada-Macedonia friendly shouldn't expect a completley transparent market.
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ursus arctos,Dec 12 2009
09:58 AM
"Just because you are paranoid, doesn't mean that they aren't out to get you"

Once again, anyone betting on the number of penalties in a Canada-Macedonia friendly shouldn't expect a completley transparent market.

Grazie ursus! I knew after I typed it that the quote did not look right but could not recall how it was supposed to read.

You know you are addicted to gambling if you are putting money on the number of penalties in a Macedonia-Canada friendly!
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hobbes
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Well I'm confident that it had no bearing on the outcome because Canada was awful. But if you're a bookie, why would you make those kinds of bets possible? Aren't you just asking for trouble?

It also appears the over-under of 2.5 goals was a factor as well.

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hobbes
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hobbes,Dec 13 2009
12:32 PM
Why would you make those kinds of bets possible? Aren't you just asking for trouble?

Hey, it worked for Wall Street for a few years... :o
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Yogi
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Winslow,Dec 14 2009
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hobbes,Dec 13 2009
12:32 PM
Why would you make those kinds of bets possible? Aren't you just asking for trouble?

Hey, it worked for Wall Street for a few years... :o

I would laugh if I was not still crying over the state of my 401K, er 201K as it is now half it's value!

The other day I heard a news report that the other con artists in prison look up to Bernie Madoff as the "Godfather" of all con jobs! :o

As for making those kind of bets possible, well as P.T. Barnum famously said, "There is a sucker born every minute." If some fool is willing to lose his money on betting on the number of penalties in a Macedonia-Canada friendly, some bookie out there is willing to take his money from him!
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Yogi,Dec 14 2009
09:53 AM
Winslow,Dec 14 2009
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hobbes,Dec 13 2009
12:32 PM
Why would you make those kinds of bets possible? Aren't you just asking for trouble?

Hey, it worked for Wall Street for a few years... :o

I would laugh if I was not still crying over the state of my 401K, er 201K as it is now half it's value!

The other day I heard a news report that the other con artists in prison look up to Bernie Madoff as the "Godfather" of all con jobs! :o

As for making those kind of bets possible, well as P.T. Barnum famously said, "There is a sucker born every minute." If some fool is willing to lose his money on betting on the number of penalties in a Macedonia-Canada friendly, some bookie out there is willing to take his money from him!

LOL. The funniest, most ludicrous bet I hear you can get at the moment is the over/under on how many mistresses it turns out Tiger is confirmed to have had. And, no, I don't know the line number...... :lol:
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shelsoccer
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Does the Tiger Woods over/under number refer to the number of mistresses or the sexual position?
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shelsoccer,Dec 15 2009
08:02 AM
Does the Tiger Woods over/under number refer to the number of mistresses or the sexual position?

Haha, hey he did well to win so many tournaments on so little sleep!

I'm with Hobbes on how silly a 'how many penalties' market is from the bookies' point of view. Other issues, such as scorelines or even who wins might actually be pretty difficult for the referee to manipulate, especially as we can assume that a ref who's been bent purely for gambling purposes will usually be required to ensure an underdog victory for maximum value. To take an extreme recent example, had someone paid the ref to ensure a Wigan win against Spurs in their recent match, I don't think even the most corrupt referee could have managed it!

But 'how many penalties' is different. I think a dodgy ref has a good chance of ensuring he gets the desired outcome. Okay, some of his decisions may look a bit dodgy (giving soft penalties, waving away clear penalties once he's already reached the 'correct' number) but it's do-able. If I were a bookmaker I don't think I'd accept that type of bet.
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xeneize
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But 'how many penalties' is different. I think a dodgy ref has a good chance of ensuring he gets the desired outcome. Okay, some of his decisions may look a bit dodgy (giving soft penalties, waving away clear penalties once he's already reached the 'correct' number) but it's do-able. If I were a bookmaker I don't think I'd accept that type of bet.

Unless the bookmaker is in on it too and already knows what the ref will do.
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Johnbuildr,Dec 14 2009
02:29 PM
LOL. The funniest, most ludicrous bet I hear you can get at the moment is the over/under on how many mistresses it turns out Tiger is confirmed to have had. And, no, I don't know the line number...... :lol:

I saw this in the morning paper, in the digest section where they have odds and ends types of stories related to sports,

Dave Fairbank of the Daily Press (Newport News, Va.), on the likely scenario for what awaits Tiger Woods when he eventually returns to golf.

“PGA and tournament brass will be protective of Woods when he tees up again, since it’s golf decorum and he still is the meal ticket.

“Though the tabloids and ‘Gotcha!’ media mined a new vein with Tiger news, there’s almost zero chance that the Enquirers and UsWeeklys and TMZs will be credentialed to cover his return and to ask uncomfortable questions.

“Moderator: Tiger Woods has joined us here in the press room. He will take questions about golf only, so you’re instructed to limit your inquiries to topics such as his length off the tee; I mean, the importance of staying out of the rough; er, his ability to get out of traps; excuse me, getting it as close to the hole as possible; umm, his threesome this week; oh, hell’s bells, golf. Tiger will only talk about golf.”


:D :D :D

Back to the topic of this thread, to me it is not a surprise there are betting scandals going on when the sport itself encourages gambling through club sponsorships by so many different betting companies.

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xeneize,Dec 15 2009
11:53 AM
But 'how many penalties' is different. I think a dodgy ref has a good chance of ensuring he gets the desired outcome. Okay, some of his decisions may look a bit dodgy (giving soft penalties, waving away clear penalties once he's already reached the 'correct' number) but it's do-able. If I were a bookmaker I don't think I'd accept that type of bet.

Unless the bookmaker is in on it too and already knows what the ref will do.

Good point

Wow, everyone's in on it. Reminds me of when Homer Simpson exclaimed "son, you don't know how big this government is! It goes all the way up to the president!"
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This article confirms that UEFA are looking into the Bulgarian ref and are suspending him from officiating any European match:

http://sports.yahoo.com/soccer/news?slug=r...uters&type=lgns

The question I have is whether these are separate incidents or related to the group who were arrested in Germany for allegedly fixing matches?
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http://sports.yahoo.com/soccer/news?slug=a...iefincorruption

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A defendant in the trial of four men accused of match-fixing across Europe claimed on Wednesday that the group bribed a UEFA referee to manipulate the result of a 2010 World Cup qualifier.

The defendant told the court here that Bosnian referee Novo Panic, who has since been banned for life by European football's governing body UEFA, helped fix the result of a qualifier between Liechtenstein and Finland in 2009.

"We manipulated the match by using Novo Panic," defendant Marijo C. told the trial which threatens to tarnish European football.

The defendant did not say whether the bribe was successful during the four-hour hearing.

The Group 4 game on September 9, 2009 in Vaduz, Liechtenstein, ended in a 1-1 draw as Panic awarded a 73rd-minute penalty to Finland and sent a Liechtenstein player off after the hosts equalised.

Germany went on to win Group 4 and neither team qualified for the 2010 World Cup.


So they fixed a meaningless World Cup qualifie rbetween two nations which had zero chance of qualifying? :huh:

Agan like the discussion here from last year, if you want to bet on a Finland-Liechtenstein match, you are living proof of P.T. Barnum's saying about a sucker being born every minute!

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