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| Tweet Topic Started: Nov 16 2009, 11:25 AM (1,135 Views) | |
| Merengue | Nov 16 2009, 11:25 AM Post #1 |
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In Spain the media are reporting that the pots from which the teams will be drawn for World Cup 2010 is already known. The draw will take place on December 4 and the 4 pots will look this way, Pot 1 South Africa Brasil Argentina Italy Germany Spain England France/Holland * If France qualifies they will be a top seed and Holland will be in Pot 2. If Ireland qualify instead of France, Holland moves up to Pot 1 and Ireland will be in Pot 2. Pot 2 Holland/Ireland Russia/Slovenia Greece/Ukraine Portugal/Bosnia Switzerland Serbia Slovakia Denmark Pot 3 Ivory Coast Ghana Cameroon Nigeria Egypt/Algeria Chile Paraguay Uruguay/Costa Rica* Pot 4 Japan South Korea North Korea Australia New Zealand United States Mexico Honduras * If Costa Rica upsets Uruguay there is a possibility they'll drop into pot 4 and anothe rnation, perhaps the USA moves up to Pot 3. I am sure this will be the subject of much discussion leading up to the December 4 draw but looking at these pots, I think they make sense. There is the risk as pointed out in Spain that a top seed could be placed in a group of death with Holland, Ivory Coast and the united States, although the opposite would eb a pairing with Slovakia, Egypt or Algeria and New Zealand. |
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| valenciano | Nov 16 2009, 01:42 PM Post #2 |
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Those look like the four pots are properly set out, other than Pot 1, the top seeds, they are based on geography, grouping teams from the same confederation so that they do not have to face one another and that seems fair to me. I think the teams you would like to avoid in Pot 2 are Holland, Russia and Portugal, assuming the latter two actually make it. In Pot 3, really all of them are difficult teams, maybe Uruguay is the weakest of those teams and the one most preferable to get drawn with and in Group 4 I think the US, Mexico and South Korea are probably the 3 nations most would hope to avoid. |
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| enganche | Nov 17 2009, 11:35 AM Post #3 |
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The 8 seeded teams make sense, the last one being between France or Holland. While Holland are currently ranked higher and were unbeaten in qualifying, France as runner up in 2006 have the better recent World Cup record so I can see the reasoning in granting them that final seeded spot. If so then I agree with others that Portugal, Holland and Russia would be the 3 teams from Pot 2 most would want to avoid. But looking at Pot 3, overall I think those teams look even more dangerous as a group than the European ones in Pot 2. Especially on African soil, each of the 5 African teams will be formidable while the three South American teams all look difficult too, certainly more so than Slovakia, Switzerland and whomever comes out of the Greece-Ukraine playoff. |
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| Winslow | Nov 17 2009, 01:27 PM Post #4 |
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The layout of Pot 4 means that the US and North Korea won't end up in the same group, as Vince predicted a while ago. Also, Australia and New Zealand cannot be drawn together, which would've been interesting. However, in the unlikely event that Costa Rica does knock out Uruguay, I suspect CR will end up in Pot 4 and the All Whites will move up to Pot 3. This would create the possibility of a South Africa-Slovenia-New Zealand-Honduras group, which would be the Bizarro world's Group of Death.
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| autogol | Nov 17 2009, 02:35 PM Post #5 |
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Or as it sometimes is called, "The Group of Life!" I think those divisions for the 4 pots look about as reasonable as you could expect from this. Just looking at these prospective pots gets me excited for the draw and World Cup itself, this makes it seem around the corner and not something in the distant future as it seemed until this past week. Remember that by tomorrow we will know all 32 teams! |
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| Don Balon | Nov 18 2009, 10:01 PM Post #6 |
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Slovakia is the only nation making its first World Cup in next year's tournament. I cannot recall any recent World Cups with only one nation making its debut in the competition. Can anyone else? |
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| valenciano | Nov 19 2009, 09:45 AM Post #7 |
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I was reading something today where FIFA says they have not yet determined the seedings for the 4 pots in the draw but I also think the supposed mehtod announced in Spain's Marca which is what Merengue started this duiscussion with, is reasonable. Seed the top 7 teams based on FIFA ratings plus recent World Cup results, add the host to the top seeds, place the remaining European teams in another pot, the 5 non seeded African teams plus the 3 non seeded South American ones together in another pot and use the last one for the CONCACAF, Asian and Oceania representatives. That makes sense to me, more so than mixing it up so that say Slovenia and Slovakia are in a pot with North Korea and New Zealand, the US, Mexico, Ivory Coast and Serbia are together in another, etc. That gets too confusing as you try and keep countries from being drawn together with those from the same confederation. So Slovakia are the only newcomers next year. That is interesting and even then they are a nation which split off from a former multiple participant Czechoslovakia. And the Slovak coach played on Czechoslovakia's 1990 World Cup team. This is not like 4 years ago when you had newcomers like Togo, Angola and Trinidad & Tobago making their first World Cup appearances. And other than playoff losers Bahrain and Bosnia no other newcomers were really even close to qualifying this time were they? |
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| robdog | Nov 19 2009, 01:13 PM Post #8 |
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I will be hoping for the Group of Anglos: USA, England, Australia, New Zealand That will bring a lot of entertainment. |
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| Yogi | Nov 19 2009, 02:20 PM Post #9 |
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So Slovakia are the only newcomers next year. That is interesting and even then they are a nation which split off from a former multiple participant Czechoslovakia. And the Slovak coach played on Czechoslovakia's 1990 World Cup team. This is not like 4 years ago when you had newcomers like Togo, Angola and Trinidad & Tobago making their first World Cup appearances. And other than playoff losers Bahrain and Bosnia no other newcomers were really even close to qualifying this time were they? Well Gabon were still a possibility to qualify going into the final game in their African qualifying group but when Cameroon beat Morocco that eliminated Gabon. I will go along with what most have expressed here that the pots to draw the groups as Marca thinks they end up look pretty fair to me. About as fair as you can imagine considering both geography and relative strength of the teams. No disrespect to Slovenia and Slovakia but I think most nations would rather they be drawn from Pot 2 than Portugal or Netherlands. Want to bet one of Slovenia or Slovakia end up in South Africa's group?
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| ursus arctos | Nov 20 2009, 02:49 PM Post #10 |
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The final formula to be used for the draw has yet to be announced, and appears to be somewhat in flux (it's worth noting that it changed between 2002 and 2006). This Romanian site is a good resource for information (though a friend has found errors in that guy's calculations at least once). Some interesting speculation on the linked thread that in light of Wednesday's events in the Stade de France FIFA will be inclined to tweak the formula this time round in such a way that France will not be seeded. One way to do that would be to increase the relative weight of the FIFA Rankings over recent World Cup results (given that the Dutch suffer significantly in the latter respect from their complete absence in 2002). Commercial interests could also militate in the same direction. Even though I am not a fan of the FIFA Rankings, they have improved significantly in recent years, and that improvement would no doubt be cited as a reason for increasing their weight, should FIFA wish to go that way. It's also worth noting that the "order" of the other pots makes no difference to the actual draw. FIFA isn't necessarily saying that it believes that the UEFA teams are inherently stronger than the COMEMBOL/CAF set, but is instead demonstrating its traditional emphasis on ensuring regional diversity in the groups and taking the position that a COMEMBOL/CAF group is more consistent in quality than a CONCACAF/COMEMBOL group or a CAF/AFC/OCEANIA group. |
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| rosarino | Nov 22 2009, 09:55 PM Post #11 |
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Interesting link but it appears that formula used at that link comes up with the same divisions as Marca did. As others have said, those seem reasonable to me too. There always will be at least one group of death in every draw. Odds are the group of death for South Africa 2010 will involves either Holland or Portugal and one of the US or Mexico. I don't think the other teams in their pots are as strong as those teams so a group of death is likely to involve them. |
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| Martin | Nov 24 2009, 08:24 PM Post #12 |
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I am wondering if FIFA will decide to "punish" France for the way they qualified and drop them from a top seed to that second pot and move Holland who are rated higher than France in the FIFA world rankings, up to a top seed? |
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| gaviota | Nov 24 2009, 11:49 PM Post #13 |
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That is a believable move. After the way France entered the World Cup it may be viewed as too much if they were also given a seeding. But at the same time, this still is the sub champion of the last World Cup and we all know recent World Cup finishes do carry weight in determining the seeds. |
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| raconteur | Nov 30 2009, 01:47 PM Post #14 |
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Reuters ran some brief looks at the cities which will be hosting the World Cup in South Africa, they were divided into those only hosting group games and those which will also host elimination round macthes, leading up to the finals. Outside of Johannesburg and Cape Town I did not know much about South Africa's cities so I found their brief history interesting and it was also worthwhile to read about the various stadiums in the country: First Round Host Cities Second Round Host Cities Note this from the article on the first round cities: Five South African cities will host only first-round matches in next year’s World Cup, so they will hope to get some of the biggest teams and best games when the draw is made on Friday. Pretoria, Bloemfontein, Polokwane and Rustenburg are all at high altitude. The first three could be bitterly cold at night during the tournament although Rustenburg has mild, sunny, southern hemisphere winters. Nelspruit is in the hot, dry low veldt and should be comfortable. Most of the World Cup managers are thought to be planning training camps around Pretoria, Rustenburg, Bloemfontein and Johannesburg to prepare their players for the thinner air. |
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| Merengue | Dec 1 2009, 02:00 PM Post #15 |
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Tomorrow we should learn the final word on the top seeds and where the rest of the nations will fall. It is pure speculation but I heard on the radio this a.m. that France may be forced to decide if they want to be a top seed and if they are then Thierry henry will be receive some sort of suspension for hs handball vs Ireland or if they forgo the top seed in which case FIFA will consider their punishment sufficient and not suspend Henry. I don't know the truth of this but it does reflect the pressure on FIFA to somehow punish France for the circumstances of their qualification. Maybe instead they should focus on punishing the officials who all missed the handball? Thanks raconteur for the synopses of the host cities and stadiums for the World Cup. Curiously this World Cup will be rare in that it will have a mixture of cold weather and much more temperate cities. I am not sure if we will have ever experienced a World Cup with such drastic weather differences between the various venues. About altitude, Johannesburg, according to the articles raconteur linked is the highest and it's altitude is 1,500+ meters, approximately 5,700 feet. A little more than Denver in the United States and comparable to Guadalajara in Mexico. That perhaps may have a slight effect on the teams but is far from having the effect of playing in Mexico City, Quito, Ecuador or even more to the extreme La Paz, Bolivia. |
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