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| European Championship History; Classic matches and goals | |
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| Martin | Jun 2 2008, 09:46 PM Post #31 |
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I'm playing catch up here but I am another poster who loved Euro 1984. That was the first European championship that I was able to view on TV. Unlike historyman's experience, in the US that tournament was broadcast on the Spanish language network now known as Univision, then called the Spanish International Network, with the great acronym of SIN! As others recalled, Spain had a great deal of grit and determination and Portugal had a skilled team which gave France a tremendous scare in the semifinals but that tournament is definitely remembered for France's win and Michel Platini's goals. Platini would not let France lose and his ability to score key goals brought France their first European title. I'm late to this discussion but like some others here I absolutely enjoyed watching that French team play. One of my favorite national teams of all time. By the way Antonio Veloso who played for Portugal at Euro 1984 is the father of Miguel Veloso who is on Portugal's current team at Euro 2008. Euro 1988 was an enjoyable tournament too, mainly for that epic Holland-West Germany semifinal and the great goal scored by Van Basten in the final. Although I thought Ruud Gullit's powerful header to open the scoring in that game was pretty good too. That Dutch team was another truly enjoyable team to watch play with Van Basten, Gullitt, Rijkaard and Koeman. Note how all four have since become managers. A sign of that team's analytical ability? |
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| historyman | Jun 2 2008, 10:47 PM Post #32 |
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I totally agree with you about the ROI team back then. It would be a mistake to conclude that everybody on the island of Ireland agreed with the make-up of their team, and I for one felt no affinity for them. The definition of 'Irishness' was very elastic back then as you've highlighted. The only documented case of ineligibility that I know of was Tony Cascarino. He qualified supposedly through an Irish grandmother, but he later admitted that he should never have played for the Republic. :rolleyes: Have others have come to light since then? As you said, England and the ROI met each other several times during that period. Their WC match in the group phase of Italia '90 was diabolical! Long ball after long ball from both sides played in strong, gusty winds made it an uncomfortable game to watch! <_< Apart from ROI's win in Stuttgart, the other matches ended in draws. Yes, Van Basten's hat-trick in '88 was the last to be scored against England. |
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| historyman | Jun 2 2008, 10:52 PM Post #33 |
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Good point, Martin. Having said that, although Gullit's analytical abilities are not in doubt, I've never rated him as a manager. I think that he's a 'chequebook manager', and one journalist memorably described him as 'Ron Atkinson with dreadlocks'! I don't think that man-management is his forte. |
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| Simon | Jun 3 2008, 05:28 AM Post #34 |
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God I remember that one all too well! Rubbish game, but at least for once it looked like we'd win until Steve McMahon, who I always hated, came on as a sub to 'make the game safe' and promptly set up the Irish equaliser! I remember the headlines the following day screaming 'Bring them home!' Luckily we did a lot better thereafter. I'm sure there were another two besides Cascarino, but not as high profile. He was the Republic's top scorer after all! Plenty of tenuous links to Ireland in those teams though. I always think when I hear Andy Townsend or Mark Lawrensen refer to England as 'we' or 'us' - hang on, aren't you Irish? I don't think Ireland have been back to a European Championships since 1988, but they came close in 1996. I remember going along to support them in their play-off at Anfield, but that brilliant young Dutch side were too good on the night. |
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| Mr. Pither | Jun 7 2008, 10:49 PM Post #35 |
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Erwin Koeman, the elder of the Koeman brothers, was on that team too and he also has gone into coaching. You England and Ireland fans may take some small solace that you were placed in a difficult group in Euro 88 as the two teams who advanced out of that group were the two finalists. The Soviets had a good team back then with Belanov, Zavarov, Aleinikov, one of my favorite named players Rats and of course their excellent goalie Rinat Dasaev (by the way it was good to see him honoured prior to the Champions Legaue Final this year in Moscow, Dasaev was one of the finest goalies I've ever seen.) And we all know of the quality in that Dutch team. Euro 88 may not have reached the heights of the 84 tournament but overall it was a good event and was crowned with van Basten's great strike, I think the best goal ever scored in a final of a major national team competition. |
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| raconteur | Jun 27 2008, 01:44 PM Post #36 |
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Here is a "where are they now" article on the Soviet Union's 1988 team: http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_ita...blogs/sw32.html You look at that squad and it was full of very good players, Dassayev, Kuznetsov, Rats, Aleinikov, Mikhailichenko, Zavarov and Belanov. Also note how many of these players also went on into coaching. I was also interested to read where Sergei Gotsmanov's son plays here in the US with Colorado while Sergei Baltacha's son is with Scotland's St Mirren and Vladimir Bessonov's daughter was a medalist in rhythmic gymnastics. |
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| Merengue | Jun 28 2008, 10:47 PM Post #37 |
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I always enjoy reading those "where are they now?' articles, thank you for providing it. Here is another article comparing Spain's current team, on the eve of the Euro 2008 Final with Spain's other two finalists, the 1964 title winning team and the 1984 runner up, http://sports.yahoo.com/sow/news?slug=reu-...uters&type=lgns The article compares the current squad quite favorably to the 1964 and 1984 teams. 1964 was before my time but that team did have Luis Suarez, along with Paco Gento, one of the two best Spanish players of all time. Also on that team was my childhood hero Amaro Amancio, a skillful right wing who played with Real Madrid. But both the 1964 and 1984 teams were most known for their defense. The present team has shown it can defend well when needed too but it is offensively, especially with it's precise passing game where it is making a name for itself and on Sunday it can go down in history as one of Spain's all time great teams if can bring that 2nd European championship home. |
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| Hector | Jun 28 2008, 11:38 PM Post #38 |
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1964 was before my time but I heard stories from relatives about that team with Suarez, Amancio, Zoco and Iribar, etc. I always wondered why Paco Gento, who was active at the time, wasn't on that 1964 title winning team? I was too young to really appreciate 1984, it was great Spain made it to the final but I didn't fully appreciate the significance of their games then. Now I have really been enjoying Euro 2008, and hope this Spain team is able to fulfill it's moment of glory. |
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| Winslow | Jul 11 2008, 09:03 AM Post #39 |
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Something I noticed after the Euro final: one of the Spanish players collecting his medal wore a green shirt, obviously a goalkeeper's jersey--but not a current one. It had a number one, a Spanish crest, but no name (so 1990 or earlier). I quickly decided it was a Zubizarreta shirt, but why? So I looked it up, and it was third-string keeper Palop paying tribute not to Zubi, but to his predecessor Arconada. So what's the history there? I may have seen a reference to Spain losing the '84 final in part because of an Arconada error. True? |
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| Gregoriak | Jul 15 2008, 11:14 AM Post #40 |
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Those clips were originally uploaded to YouTube by me, but ITV, AC Milan and Feyenoord claimed copyrights for several of the other clips I had uploaded and hence YouTube decided to delete my whole account (ca. 150 clips). That was already very annoying. A couple of months I registered again under several names and uploaded some of the very best clips again, among them the 1972 Euro final in 5 parts. But then UEFA - fastly rivalling FIFA as the biggest bunch of self-obsessed fartknockers on this planet - decided it was somehow a good idea to claim copyright of footage of every Euro Championship game before Euro 2008 and thus it got deleted again. They didn't delete the second clip you linked to because it was not a Euro game. I need to upload the 1972 friendly between USSR and Germany one of them days. |
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| Gregoriak | Jul 15 2008, 11:19 AM Post #41 |
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Vogts had been injured in one of the games against Inter Milan in late 1971 playing for Borussia Mönchengladbach. He had been a regular for Germany from 1967 to 1971, but that injury eliminated him from play for about 4-5 months. By the time the final Euro games were played, Vogts had been back from his injury only recently thus he wasn't a regular yet. |
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| Yogi | Jul 15 2008, 02:47 PM Post #42 |
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Welcome to the message board Gregoriak. Nice to know we have a YouTube sensation in our midsts! I'm looking forward to reading more from you about Germany's football history. Maybe you can answer this, why was Netzer replaced by the veteran Wolfgang Overath on the 1974 World Cup winning team? I was under the impression Netzer was injured. Is this true? |
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| Martin | Jul 15 2008, 03:43 PM Post #43 |
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My welcome to Gregoriak too and my appreciation for his posting of some of those videos on YouTube. I'm sorry to hear so many of them were taken down though. Out of curiousity, one of those videos about Gunter Netzer, a favorite of mine from his Real Madrid days, has Elke Sommer talking. Since I don't speak German, I wonder what she was saying? I had the impression from the video link that she and Netzer might have been an item? Lucky guy if true! Elke Sommer along with Ursula Andress were the subject of this prepubescent boy's fantasies back in the 70's! ![]()
Yes Winslow that is true, Platini's free kick slipped under Arconada's body for the first goal of the 1984 final. The game remained 1-0 until the final minute when France scored a second on a counter attack as Spain were pushing forward for the equalizer. Not only was Palop's gesture towards Arconada well received in Spain but Michel Platini invited Arconada to this year's final as his guest. |
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| historyman | Jul 15 2008, 09:41 PM Post #44 |
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Welcome onboard Gregoriak. Thanks for your all your work in posting those clips on YouTube. I can only imagine how frustrating it must have been to have spent hours uploading everything only for your accounts to have been deleted. Don't let them grind you down!
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| historyman | Jul 15 2008, 09:53 PM Post #45 |
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Helmut Schoen, the WG manager, preferred players like Wolfgang Overath and Rainer Bonhof to Netzer as they were perceived to be more reliable and hard working. I suppose it's the age old argument. Do you pick a player who may contribute little or nothing for the 90 minutes, in the hope that he'll change the game with a moment of sublime skill? Or do you choose a player with far less skill, but who will run non-stop and work hard for the team? Alf Ramsey built his England side which won the 1966 WC on the latter principle, and Helmut Schoen did something similar. I think that he viewed Netzer as an expensive luxury that he couldn't afford. |
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