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| Simon | Sep 9 2007, 09:34 AM Post #76 |
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Thanks for the comments, glad that last post was useful to some people. If that's the case I'll throw something similar together ahead of Wednesday, although Merengue has summarised things very nicely after Saturday's games. I can comment on England's game more fully in the England National Team thread, but here it will suffice to say that I was delighted (not to mention pleasantly surprised) by an excellent England performance. The movement and creativity were excellent and there were several exceptional individual performances. Shaun Wright-Phillips was probably man of the match. He's started all 5 of Chelsea's games this season and is finally getting regular football after his £30m transfer. He shredded the renowned Israeli defence and scored the first goal. Michael Owen seems to be approaching his best form again. He did miss a couple of chances but scored a great goal. And Micah Richards was also outstanding at right-back and headed the 3rd. England have 4 games remaining, 3 of them at Wembley. Our destiny is still in our own hands but the game with Russia is crucial. I suppose we might have expected The Italy-France game to be poor after such a big build-up! Scotland's recent renaissance has been good to see but this group might ultimately be just a bit too tough for them to make it out of. They've already beaten France once but it's hard to see them repeating the trick in Paris. I suppose Spain's result was disappointing, but none of their group rivals won and Northern Ireland's defeat in Latvia seems to have blown a hole in their chances. |
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| hobbes | Sep 9 2007, 12:39 PM Post #77 |
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I watched waaaay too many matches yesterday: I didn't think France-Italy was the most dour thing I've ever seen. I was disappointed in how little pressure Italy applied when France was in possession in the first half, but for the first 20 of the second half it was a lot more open. I really didn't see the Del Piero-Inzaghi partnership creating a lot. The French commentators were surprised that Escudé started, but he played quite well. Not a lot of chances either way, but I thought France were out-playing them and didn't really need the win. I also thought Italy lost something once they subbed Camoranesi out. And Henry misses the Scotland match Wednesday. Which suits me fine. I was happy a bad dive by Lithuania didn't cost the Scots. I don't fancy our luck in Paris, but I do think a home win v Ukraine and at least a draw v Italy at home is doable. That may be enough. I think a home v Italy would do the trick, but a point at France could be crucial. Having just watched Canada play Iceland, it was heartening to see Spain struggle as well. Though I guess Spain typically don't fare well with Iceland. A stupid foul (and maybe a harsh red, I never did a camera angle I liked) as Xabi Alonso stomped on someone 20 mins in. For the rest of the first half Iceland attacked with purpose and came close and finally scored on a nice cross from Joey Gudjohnsson that found Halfredsson unmarked for a clinical header. Then they sat back as Spain finally got their act together, but I thought Iceland could have done more if they took the impetus. They had some really good chances to put it away on the counter, but Iniesta made Aragones look like a genius again as he found the equalizer with a sliding finish (does it ever stop raining in Reykjavik?). I felt bad for Iceland, but Spain deserved at least a share of the spoils and Iceland seemed pleased enough with a draw. Denmark-Sweden was sort of the opposite of Italy-France, an open, exciting 0-0 draw. Sorensen saved Denmark's bacon a few times in the first half. And Zlatan Ibrahimovic was ridiculous. I know it's only Denmark, but in the first half he looked like one of the best players in the world. I have no idea how he didn't score and he created some chances out of nothing with great little pieces of skill. I wasn't even sure I was going to watch Malta-Turkey except I'd never seen Malta. And I hadn't seen Turkey in awhile and was amazed, most of the 98 team was long gone and Hakan Sukur was still going. Malta lead twice, but couldn't hang on. I guess it was the day after Malta celebrated some famous victory over the Ottoman Empire 400 years ago, so there was a nice Malta-Turkey symmetry. Malta had a lot of "Anglo" names which surprised me a little and 31yo left mid Ivan Woods is Canadian. I'd never heard of him. He looked okay. It wasn't a great match, but was much more entertaining than expected. It was better than the TFC-FC Dallas and Ecuador-El Salvador matches, but Colombia-Peru was pretty entertaining. I just got Setanta and it's more dangerous than the NFL network as far as me never leaving the house. cheers, hobbes |
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| rosarino | Sep 9 2007, 04:34 PM Post #78 |
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Italy vs France had it's moments and there was a lot of tenseness to the game as those two countries are building up quite a rivalry now. But overall it did lack something. France were perfectly content with a draw and they achieved their goal but Italy surprising to me didn't seem that intent on attacking. The game was fought out in midfield and ended up as some said being a contest were both teams neutralized the other. |
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| Winslow | Sep 9 2007, 04:39 PM Post #79 |
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Don't forget that Britain controlled Malta for much of the 20th century. And Hobbes, do you suppose the CSA never found this Woods guy, or did he just choose Malta over Canada? I mean, first Hargreaves, now.. Woods? Simon, if you can put together another preview for Wednesday, I will be thrilled to read it. And be glad you didn't watch England v. USA rugby--I did, and England was close to terrible. (And I hope Phil Vickery gets a good long suspension.) |
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| Yogi | Sep 10 2007, 09:37 AM Post #80 |
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Don't forget about John van't Schip as another Canadian who went on to represent another country (Holland). van't Schip, although not a star, was a good player for Holland in the 80's and early 90's. I write more about Italy-France in the Italy section of this message board but Italy just didn't attack enough in that game. As said here, France were content with a tie and came to play for the draw. Italy had the need for a win but they never really got enough players forward to dent France's tough defense. England's and Russia's wins sets up a classic game on Wednesday. Wish I could see that one. Hiddink has a great track record but maybe England's injuries have forced McLaren's hand and he's had to replace some of his sacred players with others who are making good contributions (i.e Richards, Wright-Phillips). Fans everywhere are happy to see Michael Owen returning to form. Speaking of good coaches, how about some praise for what Leo Beenhakker has done with Poland? He made Trinidad & Tobago into a competitive team and now he's rebuilding Poland. Tying Portugal on the road is a great accomplishment as Portugal have shown they are one of Europe's best teams recently. I am not a fan but you also have to mention Germany. They just keep on winning. I don't think many teams will look forward to playing them next year in Euro 2008. |
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| Simon | Sep 10 2007, 11:05 AM Post #81 |
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Yeah, I settled for the re-run of England v USA and it wasn't pretty. Workmanlike would be putting it kindly! Vickery has been cited, along with the USA's Emerick for piledriving Barkley into the ground. While find out tomorrow what the punishments are. Onto the round ball game, for Wednesday's fixtures: GROUP A: http://www.uefa.com/competitions/euro/stan...group=2630.html Kazakhstan (7th, Pld 9, 6 pts) v Belgium (5th, Pld 9, 10 pts), 16:00 Finland (2nd, Pld 10, 18 pts) v Poland (1st, Pld 10, 20 pts), 17:00 Portugal (9th, Pld 9, 16 pts) v Serbia (4th, Pld 9, 15 pts), 21:00 Four teams in the shake-up in Group A, and once again the top 4 play each other. Finland can go top if they win at home to Poland, which would make things very interesting. But Poland normally wait until the tournament itself before their wheels fall off, and I would think they could be good for a point in Helsinki. Portugal and Serbia have both suffered a bit during these qualifiers and I suspect both must be relieved to be in quite an open and competitive group, in which they have been able to get away with their dropped points. But it's hardly a good habit to cultivate! Here's where it matters, the loser of this game will be in all sorts of trouble. I would think Portugal will rise to the occasion at home. GROUP B (7 Teams): http://www.uefa.com/competitions/euro/stan...group=2631.html Lithuania (5th, Pld 8, 7 pts) v Faroe Islands (7th, Pld 8, 0 pts), 18:00 Ukraine (4th, Pld 7, 13 pts) v Italy (3rd, Pld 8, 17 pts), 19:45 France (1st, Pld 8, 19 pts) v Scotland (2nd, Pld 8, 18 pts), 20:00 Very interesting group. Scotlnd have already beaten France, but you would expect the French to return the favour on Wednesday. That would put France 4 points ahead of the Scots and would give Italy the chance to re-claim 2nd place with a win in Kiev. Of course, that will be easier said than done, especially as Ukraine will feel that they're drinking in the last chance saloon after their draw with Georgia. The group is a tight one, but the most likely outcome remains France and Italy qualifying. GROUP C (7 Teams): http://www.uefa.com/competitions/euro/stan...group=2632.html Norway (2nd, Pld 8, 16 pts) v Greece (1st, Pld 7, 18 pts), 18:00 Turkey (3rd, Pld 7, 14 pts) v Hungary (5th, Pld 8, 9 pts), 18:30 Bosnia-Herzegovina (4th, Pld 8, 13 pts) v Moldova (7th, Pld 8, 2 pts), 19:00 Here come the Vikings! 3 consecutive wins have shot Norway into second place and a further victory would put them top of the group. But Greece have a game in hand and they will conversely see this game as a chance to greatly strengthen their position at the top. Rehhagel's Greece aren't really the type of side to go to Oslo looking to play an expansive attacking game, so it should be tight. Meanwhile, Turkey and Bosnia can tighten things up, as both have winnable home games. And yet Turkey only drew with Malta at the weekend while Bosnia lost to Hungary, so neither should take anything for granted. GROUP D (7 Teams): http://www.uefa.com/competitions/euro/stan...group=2633.html Slovakia (4th, Pld 8, 10 pts) v Wales (5th, Pld 7, 7 pts), 17:30 Cyprus (6th, Pld 7, 7 pts) v San Marino (7th, Pld 8, 0 pts), 19:00 Czech Republic (2nd, Pld 8, 17 pts) v Rep of Ireland (3rd, Pld 8, 14 pts), 19:30 Germany can put their feet up and get the cigars out, and this group could be virtually finished off on Wednesday night. A Czech victory over Ireland would open up a six point gap between the two. The Irish had been just a point behind the Czechs, but an injury-time Slovakian equaliser on Saturday has really damaged their chances. It just shows how quickly things can turn around. GROUP E (7 Teams): http://www.uefa.com/competitions/euro/stan...group=2634.html Andorra (7th, Pld 8, 0 pts) v Croatia (1st, Pld 8, 20 pts), 17:00 England (3rd, Pld 8, 17 pts) v Russia (2nd, Pld 8, 18 pts), 20:00 FYR Macedonia (5th, Pld 8, 7 pts) v Estonia (6th, Pld 9, 3 pts), 19:30 Isnt it funny how in football when you're trying to chase teams they seem to have an easy game every week? All in the imagination of course, but I'm sure this is Croatia's 5th game with Andorra! Of course, England can't afford to be taking their focus off their own game. Russia are just a point ahead of England and can be overtaken with an English win at Wembley. Hopefully we can reproduce the standard of performance from Saturday, but Hiddink's Russia will be really tough opponents. GROUP F (7 Teams): http://www.uefa.com/competitions/euro/stan...group=2635.html Denmark (4th, Pld 7, 11 pts) v Liechtenstein (7th, Pld 8, 4 pts), 19:00 Iceland (6th, Pld 8, 5 pts) v Northern Ireland (2nd, Pld 8, 16 pts), 19:05 Spain (3rd, Pld 8, 16 pts) v Latvia (5th, Pld 7, 6 pts), 21:00 Northern Ireland remain above Spain, but only on head-to-head record. I think the smart money would be on the Spanish leapfrogging them on Wednesday night with a win at home to Latvia. Reykjavik can be a tough place to play, as Spain found on Saturday, and Iceland have already won 3-0 in Belfast. It's easy to imagine Northern Ireland's fortunes being in chronic decline now, maybe they even feel that themselves? This game is make or break - if they win it could relaunch them, but I don't see it. Denmark also remain contenders. They should win at home to Liechtenstein, they have a game in hand and they still have to host Spain in Copenhagen. GROUP G (7 Teams): http://www.uefa.com/competitions/euro/stan...group=2636.html Bulgaria (3rd, Pld 8, 15 pts) v Luxembourg (7th, Pld 8, 0 pts), 18:30 Slovenia (6th, Pld 8, 7 pts) v Belarus (5th, Pld 8, 7 pts), 18:45 Albania (4th, Pld 7, 9 pts) v Holland (2nd, Pld 7, 17 pts), 19:45 After losing in Holland at the weekend, a home game against little Luxembourg seems the perfect pick-me-up for Bulgaria. Victory would keep them in the chase but really they need to win each of their remaining 4 games, including a home fixture against Romania in November. It's certainly plausible, and so Group G remains a three horse race. Romania take a break ahead of their next game which is at home to Holland next month, by which time the Dutch should have beaten Albania and drawn level at the top of the table. |
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| hobbes | Sep 10 2007, 01:22 PM Post #82 |
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Oh John van't Schip, Jimmy Nicholl for Northern Ireland, the whore, Daniel Fernandes (that one's mostly our fault), a handful of U20s (Dylan Hughes, Terry Dunfield, Adam Street, etc). It's a long illustrious list. Yeah I knew there were strong English ties in Malta, but I wasn't sure that influence was still so strong. Mifsud was the only Maltese player I could name before Saturday. As far as Woods, I have no idea. We played Malta a few years ago and for all I know he appeared in that match. It looks like he spent his whole career in Malta. Who knows how long he was in Toronto, but he was born there. We haven't had any space for a left-footed mid since 1999 or so and we have plenty of guys playing in leagues far better than Malta that we have no interest in. That being said against Turkey he didn't look too bad. As bad as England was, I was impressed with the strides US rugby has made. I thought Canada had something going there at 17-9 against Wales. Even at half time I knew we just weren't good enough, but then we got another try, I dared to dream . . . and yeah we weren't nearly good enough. Nice to see another former player (DTH van der Merwe) from my local club start in the World Cup. We finally won the title this year, so it's been a good year for local rugby. Thanks for the synompsis Simon. As tough as it will be for Ukraine, you have to believe they're thinking: win this at home we're one back of Italy, probably two back of Scotland and we've got a game in hand. cheers, hobbes |
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| rosarino | Sep 10 2007, 01:43 PM Post #83 |
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But if I am correct still no Shevchenko for Ukraine, right? Italy without Toni doesn't have a consistent goalscorer right now although maybe this game where Ukraine has to go for the win will better suit Inzaghi's counter attacking instincts? Henry is suspended for france but maybe that will mean Domench will get around to playing Trezeguet now? A Trezeguet-Anelka attacking partnership could be a handful to defend. Unless Poland's players are still out celebrtaing their draw in Portugal I'd think they'd be able to repeat that feat in Finland. But Portugal-Serbia has become almost an elimination match. Playing at home I think you have to like Portugal's chances. Cristiano Ronaldo was a little rusty against the Poles after his Manchester United 3 game suspension yet still scored a fine goal. I think he'll be ready on Wednesday. England-Russia also is practically an elimination match, especially with Croatia continually playing Andorra! You'd expect Russia will have a game plan to try and neutralize Wright Phillips and Owen. But this Engalnd team has a lot of speed and that isn't easy to contain.And while we're discussing rugby here, how about my Pumas beating France in the World Cup opener! |
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| hobbes | Sep 12 2007, 02:06 PM Post #84 |
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R Haha! "It's the story of the match. It is two against eight for Scotland and we're in trouble." — Manu Petit. James McFadden hits an audacious strike from 30 yards and Landreau could only palm further into the corner. It was pretty much literally Scotland's only chance, but there it is 1-0 Scotland. Huge Scottish presence in Paris. Not sure if the RWC was a factor, but there were a few empty seats and I think the Scots just wanted the tickets more. It was a pro-Scotland crowd in the Parc des Princes for sure. I thought Petit made another good point. He said "Scotland used to run around like mad dogs. They still have passion and still work, but they're composed. They're professional. Someone is always covering, they are always closing space." When Scotland got the ball, they rarely panicked. They played the ball on the deck decently on the fairly rare occassion when they decided to commit people into supporting roles. It was a very defensive performance, but a very good performance. They did it without Fletcher who was injured at 25 or so. I thought Alan Hutton was great on the right. Craig Gordon made some strong saves, but France didn't generate much. In the end I thought subs Nasri and Benzema created more danger in their time than the forward pair of Anelka and Trezeguet. Ribery was probably France's best player. cheers, hobbes |
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| valenciano | Sep 13 2007, 01:07 AM Post #85 |
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Great result for Scotland which really puts France in trouble combined with Italy's 2-1 road win at Ukraine. What a shot by McFadden but I did think Landreau could have done a little better with that. Scotland don't have any individual stars but they seem to have good unity and they play hard. It also was a good week for England as they beat Russia 3-0 with 2 goals from Michael Owen. I didn't see the game but saw the goals and Russia's defense gave a lot away but Owen is a lethal finisher. So Owen is back and Beckham and Lampard are out and England records it's two best victories in a long time. Coincidence? What the hell is up with Felipe Scolari? He punches Serbia's defender from Sevilla Dragutinovic at the end of the match and gets into it with Serbia's bench. Portugal again blew a lead late in the match as Serbia earned a 1-1 tie in Lisbon. Poland drew 0-0 at Finland so Portugal remain in 3rd in the group. Scolari, you have to find a striker for Portugal, and some common decency for yourslef! |
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| Simon | Sep 13 2007, 03:35 AM Post #86 |
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I should have known better than to doubt Scotland could win in Paris. France can be a bit flaky and the Scots should never be written off. I watched the highlights of the game and it seemed like France were stuck with the Arsenal trick of trying to walk the ball into the net. After the brilliant Argentina Rugby World Cup win over France which Rosarino referred to, these are not enjoyable times for French sport. Great win for Scotland and I'd be delighted if they can qualify, which they may well do now. 3 games left and Scotland top the group. Problem is that France are still pretty well guaranteed 6 points from their next 2 games with the Faeroes and Lithuania, while Scotland still have to face Ukraine and Italy. Fascinating group. England were excellent again in beating Russia. We were very much superior, although I actually Russia played pretty well and were quick and enterprising. They lacked a Michael Owen though, and I was surprised that Kerzhakov was only introduced with 11 minutes left. Gareth Barry was arguably man of the match (him or Owen anyway!), he was magnificent in the middle. The Richards-SWP partnership down the right was brilliant again and Heskey was a tremendous foil for Owen once more. Apparently Heskey and Owen have started together 14 times for England and Owen has scored 14 goals in that time, which must say something for their partnership. Russia went into this game with the best defence in all of Euro 2008 qualifying, having conceded just one goal. That distinction now belongs to England with 2 goals conceded, so it was a very pleasing night all round. A 3-0 margin of victory was excellent news as well, as there's been some anxiety about next month's game in Moscow being on a plastic pitch. Hopefully even if the worst comes to the worst, Russia won't be able to turn round the head-to-head record. With 3 games left, maybe we can now aim to win our group. This story about Scolari reminds me of what he used to get up to as Gremio manager in the mid-90s! Portugal have only won 4 of their 10 games, but somehow despite this they remain in contention in what's been a fairly mediocre Group A. As Valenciano says, if any striking needs doing it should be by his centre-forwards, not by himself in the opposition technical area! I think we can write Bosnia off now after 2 calamitous defeats. Turkey, Norway and Greece are in the mix in Group C. Group D looks all over, I don't think the Irish can come back at the Czechs after last night's defeat. Honourable mention to Wales who lost 5-1 at home to Slovakia earlier in qualifying, but responded with a 5-2 win in Slovakia last night. The wheels have come off Northern Ireland's campaign, as we thought they would with Sanchez's departure. Spain were at 1-0 for a worryingly long time at home to Latvia. I didn't see that game, was there any real threat from Latvia? Our Spanish contingent here may still be a bit concerned about Spain, but I reckon they can potentially go on from here to win the group. Finally in Group G, Holland seem to be another big nation who are stuttering a bit - they needed a Van Nistelrooy goal in the 2nd min of injury time to scrape past lowly Albania (this after their earlier 1-0 against mighty Luxembourg!). Goalscoring seems a real problem for the Dutch right now, but they should qualify one way or another. Big game for them away at Romania next month. |
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| Yogi | Sep 13 2007, 07:32 AM Post #87 |
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The French may have finally found a way to get rid of Raymond Domenech- losing at home to Scotland! Those of us who follow Serie A are always in wonderment of why France doesn't give Sebastien Frey a chance in goal, he's been one of the best goalies in Italy for years yet never gets an opportunity with his national team. With Coupet hurt this was his chance but Domenech stuck with Landreau and look what happened? That's a great win for Scotland and a nice shot by McFadden but I do think the French goalie could have stopped it (or am I spoiled by watching Gianluigi Buffon?). France for all their talent just has trouble scoring goals. Shevchenko did play for Ukraine rosarino and was their best player on the day and got their goal but Di Natale scored twice for italy in the Azzurri's win. This was the Italy we saw at the World Cup as they played intelligently and with purpose. And as a Di Natale fan I was glad to see him score twice. An important win for England and Owen looks as good as new now. What does England do when Rooney returns as the Owen-Heskey partnership is showing itself to be very effective? Will McLaren have the balls and intelligence to drop Beckham and Lampard when healthy? It is obvious the team played better without them. We keep reading of Spain's troubles but they're now in first place in a competitive group. It makes you realize the potential that is there with that team. |
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| Pepe | Sep 13 2007, 11:16 AM Post #88 |
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Scolari is a mad man, I'm just surprised he's lasted this long as Portugal's coach without any previous incidents. As Simon said this was normal actions by him when he was a club coach in Brazil. Portugal is a team with a lot of talent and an enjoyable style of play but they are always involved in polemics, fake fouls too often and dont take well to losing. Every major tournament when they've gone down there has been some problems related to the team's behaviour. I think they are just frustrated now at tying 3 straight games and not taking advanatge of a relatively accessible group because they still lack a proven goal scorer. |
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| valenciano | Sep 15 2007, 08:22 AM Post #89 |
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While we in Spain are lamenting our national team's ups and downs it is worth remembering, as Yogi says, that Spain are in first place in their group. Look at France for a team suddenly struggling now and one with little room for error left. Now Italy could still do the French a favor if they win in Scotland but the truth is France still has a tough game to play with Ukraine and with France's goalscoring drying up they'll need somebody to step up and score. Yogi, good point too about Sebastien Frey, an excellent goalie always overlooked by France. Add him to Ludovic Guily and Robert Pires as good players France's coach ignores. |
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| rosarino | Oct 10 2007, 09:45 AM Post #90 |
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As we head into another set of qualifying games around Europe, Luis Felipe Scolari had his 3 game suspension cut to 2 while Raymond Domenech, he of the strange selection choices, left out David Trezeguet from France's team for their upcoming matches this week even though Trezeguet is on fire in Serie A with Juventus and France have had trouble scoring goals. Then Louis Saha goes down injured and Trezeguet again is left out! Well I guess the same could be said for Raul and Spain as the guys discuss more thoroughly in the Spain forum. It will be a busy and decisive week in European qualifying. |
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You'd expect Russia will have a game plan to try and neutralize Wright Phillips and Owen. But this Engalnd team has a lot of speed and that isn't easy to contain.
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