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Slovianko - a super-easy language
Topic Started: May 17 2016, 09:11 PM (1,378 Views)
bandziol20
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Since the Slovianto project seems not to be developed any more, I've decided to make out another language that would be super-easy for non-Slavic people as a first step in getting to know the wonderful Slavic languages world.
I'm going to make this language just in a bit more naturalistic way than Slovianto proposed it.
I've made some lessons on Memrise. If you'd like to participate with me in that project or have any suggestions / ideas, just let me know. :)
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Pišem slovjansky. I write Slovianski.

http://www.conlangs.fora.pl/index.php
http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html
http://dict.interslavic.com/index.jsp
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Ranmaru Rei
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bandziol20
Nov 2 2017, 11:21 AM
Vidim ju / onu. <-- I think it could work.

I don't feel good about possessives for "her' and 'his' (+ 'its'). Looks strange to me.
It is only option in Bulgarian, and legit option in BCMS. In Russian it is exist, but it is colloquial (takň govoręt toliko sěľaky).
It exists in Ukranian and Belorussian as well, but I don't know its status. I don't say anithing about West Slavic languages, because I don't know about them so much.
Yes, it sounds off for Russian ears, because it's not proper Russian, but it is under has clear meaning and has another good sides as well.
Looks like it is more universal among Slavic languages, than genitive (jej, jeje, jejo, etc.). Jej in Russian is dative, instrumentalis, locative, but not genitive.
It is separated from object. Maybe this separation has no so much meaning though.
It has agreement on gender and number too as another possesives that derived from ja, my, ty, vy and sebe.
For instance:
Tamara dala jej ručka. - «Tamara gave her pen» or «Tamara gave her a pen»?
Edited by Ranmaru Rei, Nov 2 2017, 06:38 PM.
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Tamara dala ji ručku.
Tamara oddala jeje ručku.
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Pišem slovjansky. I write Slovianski.

http://www.conlangs.fora.pl/index.php
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http://dict.interslavic.com/index.jsp
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Ranmaru Rei
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Now I looked on your Bandulica course (it's interesting), and I quite wonder by your position about possessive pronouns, that derived for 3rd person. You used similar in Bandulica.
Edited by Ranmaru Rei, Nov 5 2017, 01:14 AM.
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I think simple : jego, jeje, jih would be just fine. What's the reason to make these words even longer ?
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http://www.conlangs.fora.pl/index.php
http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html
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bandziol20
Nov 5 2017, 01:13 PM
I think simple : jego, jeje, jih would be just fine. What's the reason to make these words even longer ?
Just because it looks more universal between languages. Various languages has various options for possessive nouns (actually, genitive, IMHO). Russian has «jejo», and it not the same as «jeje». Some other language has other options and Bulgarian, as I know, has only «nejin(a/o/i)». It looks like preffered option for South Slavic languages. Also, it would be in the same boat other pronouns for this type: moj(a/e/i), tvoj(a/e/i), svoj(a/e/i), naš(a/e/i), vaš(a/e/i). Also to the same boat: cij(a/e/i).
Edited by Ranmaru Rei, Nov 5 2017, 08:22 PM.
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jejo is just jokanje, etymological form is of course jeje
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iopq
Nov 6 2017, 02:29 AM
jejo is just jokanje, etymological form is of course jeje
I know it =_=
But it does not matter. Phonetics is phonetics. Polish, for example, is hard to follow, because of mazurzenie. At least, for me. Even if I know how mazurzenie works in general. Ppl says Russian is also are not easy to understand, because of vowel reduction. The main point for Slovianto is the same as Interslavic: to be understandable by any Slav. This word is too short and may not be understood by Russian, especially monolingual. I don't say for other Slavs though. Sometimes longer versions is better. As I understand, it is the reason why Interslavic has no shortened copula.
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Ranmaru Rei
Nov 5 2017, 08:21 PM
Just because it looks more universal between languages.
But it doesn't make it universal. Quite opposite. I wouldn't even recognize what nejin means. Seriously.
Glasovanje je čista gluposť. Voting is a pure nonsense.
Pišem slovjansky. I write Slovianski.

http://www.conlangs.fora.pl/index.php
http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html
http://dict.interslavic.com/index.jsp
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bandziol20
Nov 6 2017, 10:02 AM
Ranmaru Rei
Nov 5 2017, 08:21 PM
Just because it looks more universal between languages.
But it doesn't make it universal. Quite opposite. I wouldn't even recognize what nejin means. Seriously.
Hmm… Even jejin? If so, now I see.
Edited by Ranmaru Rei, Nov 8 2017, 02:36 PM.
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Well, in case of jejin for 'her' (with this -in ending as it is for female nouns like materin 'mother's' or sestrin 'sister's') : what about other possessive forms of 3rd person ? I mean : his, its, their ? It would look quite inconsistent to take only jejin.
Besides, jejin involves gender issue as well (I mean: moj, moja, moje etc.), while jej preserves one indeclinable form.
So, imo, jej 'her' with all its possible disadvantages, seems to be quite ok.
Glasovanje je čista gluposť. Voting is a pure nonsense.
Pišem slovjansky. I write Slovianski.

http://www.conlangs.fora.pl/index.php
http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html
http://dict.interslavic.com/index.jsp
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