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Basic Vocabulary course
Topic Started: Apr 7 2015, 06:38 PM (1,805 Views)
Mauritio

Hello,
I would like to learn a simple slavic conlang like Slovianto or some upgraded Slovio(maybe like Slovioski?) just for the fun of it.

Right now I'm thinking about learning some Slovio or some Slovianto vocabulary.

It's easier to find some old slovio materials than materials of interslavic and so I'm asking myself if I should go for Slovio(despite the fact that I dislike a few thinks about that language).

The problem is, that I have no idea about slavic vocabulary and using the Interslavic dictionaries is quite confusing.

I would love to have a list of 200-500 basic Slovianto words and basic phrases.... do you have something like this?
If not you should think about creating something like this(in Slovianto or Medžuslovjanski)... it would make Interslavic much more accessible for learners.


Greetings Mauritio
Edited by Mauritio, Apr 7 2015, 06:43 PM.
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bandziol20
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I would strongly disrecommend you to learn Slovio because of its volapukized (counter-natural) grammar. If anything ever, I think you do much much better learning Slovianto.
Basic phrases dictionary ? I think it's interesting. Maybe you've got already such a list in some other Slavic language or at least in English ? Come and share, we'll try to translate.
Glasovanje je čista gluposť. Voting is a pure nonsense.
Pišem slovjansky. I write Slovianski.

http://www.conlangs.fora.pl/index.php
http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html
http://dict.interslavic.com/index.jsp
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asank
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Not only you, Mauritio, many people was speaking about this. We need things like course of Interslavic, but many people complain, and few works. F. ex. I translated some time ago some english pages of Interslavic in polish language for help to create the polish version, but the polish version I can't see. At the time Interslavic has actually NOTHING. You can see at the Novoslověnsky page, here are some courses, phrases, examples etcetera in english.
Sorry for my english, but I don't use it often.
Osnovno najvažnjejšim jest žiťje. Ale kňgda uže jest žiťje, najvažnjejša je svoboda.
A potňm daje sę žiťje za svobodų.
I uže ne zna sę čto je najvažniejšim.

Marek Edelman
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Mauritio

Well, with phrases I mean basic sentences like the omniglot list or basic traveller phrases.
I actually would like to learn a simple conlang over full Interslavic with all it's grammar.

It would be great if we could set up a basic Slovianto/Interslavic vocabulary course on memrise.com, just like the memrise Slovio course.
You won't be a fluent speaker afterwards, but you will know words you need.

The problem is that I can't manage to find a good basic set of vocabs.... for example the word for boy is mladec and hlapec ....how am I supposed to know which one is the better word? And there are a lot of these....

It is quite hard to make a course in a language that I don't know....

Edited by Mauritio, Apr 8 2015, 09:05 PM.
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Mauritio

Doesn't have to be a super complex course.... just a list of words would be more than Interslavic ever had!

Look at this LFN "course": vocabulofundal
Edited by Mauritio, Apr 8 2015, 09:29 PM.
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asank
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What languages do you know? I know italian, polish and english(english is not very brilliant).
We, I mean Siciliano, me and iopq, are doing conversations in Interslavic via Skype. If I can speak via Skype in Interslavic, I think that I will be able, with my hadicappated english, to clear you some things about slavic languages via Skype. When you will be able to talk in Interslavic you will conversate with us.
I never try to do this before, but it will be an interestig experience. :D
Edited by asank, Apr 9 2015, 07:29 AM.
Osnovno najvažnjejšim jest žiťje. Ale kňgda uže jest žiťje, najvažnjejša je svoboda.
A potňm daje sę žiťje za svobodų.
I uže ne zna sę čto je najvažniejšim.

Marek Edelman
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Mauritio

I speak German, English, Dutch and Interlingua.... I'm working on spanish right now and hopefully some basic slavic in the near future ^^

So I just began making a Slovianto course on memrise..... does anyone want to participate? Could need some help :-)

http://www.memrise.com/course/630724/basic-slovianto/
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Mauritio

Well, your english isn't that bad ^^

Sure, I'm a skype user. I could give you my name, so that I can annoy you with questions if I have some :D
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asank
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Ok, send me your Skype address on PM, and I will send you mine.
Edited by asank, Apr 9 2015, 07:34 AM.
Osnovno najvažnjejšim jest žiťje. Ale kňgda uže jest žiťje, najvažnjejša je svoboda.
A potňm daje sę žiťje za svobodų.
I uže ne zna sę čto je najvažniejšim.

Marek Edelman
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kliment

"Mauritio"
 

for example the word for boy is mladec and hlapec ....how am I supposed to know which one is the better word? And there are a lot of these....


Usually, I would say that http://dict.interslavic.com/ is a good place to resolve such ambiguities, but unfortunately for 'boy' the corresponding entry has been not updated and contains old versions 'hlopec', 'mlodec'. I agree that should be clearly marked which form is preferred one, in this case 'hlapec' is the correct one - exists in Czech, Slovak, Ukrainian, Belarussian and Polish.

Obyčajno, az byh rekl, jako http://dict.interslavic.com/ jest dobro město čto by razrešiti takoje dvuznačnosti, no na žalost dlja 'boy' sootvětstvujuščij vpis ne byst aktualizovan i sodržit staryje versije 'hlopec' a 'mlodec'. Soglašu, jako dlžno byti jasno označeno kaja forma jest preferovana, v tom slučaji 'hlapec' jest pravilen - jestvujet v českom, slovackom, ukrainskom, bělaruskom i polskom.
Edited by kliment, Apr 9 2015, 11:41 AM.
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ACMAXA

Hi Mauritio,
did you also see the Novoslovenski site? As I understand, Interslavic and Novoslovenski are basically the same. There is a Vocabulary list with about 500 words and a lot of phrases.
http://www.neoslavonic.org/
Click on the left on Conversation, Vocabulary

BTW It's amazing how you remind me on a kind Italian polyglot with about 20 languages who I saw recently in a video.
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Mauritio

@Kliment Thank you for the clarification. So I will prefer hlapec from now on!

@ACMAXA
This list is really helpful!
I will orientate my learning on it, but Novoslovenski itself is not what I´m looking for... want something less complex ^^
I don't know how I reminded you on an italian polyglot :D .... you don't mean that Luca Lampariello(something like that) guy?
Edited by Mauritio, Apr 9 2015, 07:35 PM.
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Mauritio

The vocabulary problem goes right on:

Adjectives:
Fast: brzy or bystry
slow: medly or pomaly
intelligent: razumny or razvedlivy or razvedny (or umny )
beautiful: krasivy or krasny
ugly: bridki or nekrasny or skaredny or urodlivy
stupid: durno or durny or glupy
nice: mily or prijemny
mean(bad): podly or zlostlivy


If I look up slow(form http://dict.interslavic.com/index.jsp?input=both&word=slow&type=contains):

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English Interslavic Explanation T L C
slow pomalki j+z a 3
slow pomaly z a 2
slow nebistry a 2
slow medlyru a 2
slow zapomaliti se z vp1
slow zapomaljati sezvi1
slow medlitito slow downv3
slow down medljenjerunn1
slow down pomaljenjeznn1
slowly pomalkoj+za3
slowly medlorua2
slowly pomaloza2


My approach:
1. I look for a Type "a" word(because I look for an adjective)
2.Then I choose the "j+z" word over the other(because it is southern and western)
Error: It's just a Level 3 word, so "pomalki" is local and uniqe... so it can't be a good interslavic word, right?
Edited by Mauritio, Apr 9 2015, 08:43 PM.
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kliment

"Mauritio"
 

Fast: brzy or bystry

bystry exists in Russian and Polish , brzo only in Czech and Serbo-Croatian

"Mauritio"
 

slow: medly or pomaly

pomaly sounds better as medly, but probably this is a false friend in Russian

"Mauritio"
 

intelligent: razumny or razvedlivy or razvedny (or umny )

razumny, razvedlivy sounds like rozwiedziony (divorced) in Polish.

"Mauritio"
 

stupid: durno or durny or glupy

glup, durno is also understandable but sounds a little bit poetic

I am not sure about others.
Edited by kliment, Apr 9 2015, 09:13 PM.
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kliment
 
brzo only in Czech and Serbo-Croatian
I would say brzy is in Czech-Slovak group of the West Slavic branch + all South Slavic branch (see Bulgarian бърз).
I believe that once it was in all Slavic languages meant 'fast, rapid', but changed its meaning (Russian борзой (adj.) 'impudent, insolent', Polish bardzo (adv.) 'very')
A good candidate for the adjective 'fast', I think is also skory (comp. skoro (adv.) 'soon', skorosť (f.) 'speed')
bystry is not a bad choice, but nowadays in Polish it refers rather to mind : 'smart, keen', to sight : 'sharp', or to water : 'fleet', 'swift'; also in Croatian (South Slavic) bistar means 'clear' (water, sky) or 'smart' (mind)

kliment
 
pomaly sounds better as medly, but probably this is a false friend in Russian
I find pomaly (sk-usb, Polish pomału 'slowly', lit. 'for a little') quite OK, but I don't know Russian; medly doesn't ring a bell in my Polish head, unless it refers to Polish mdły, but here it means 'insipid, bland'; I was thinking why not počasny for 'slow' (from sn počasen); it would mean 'one that takes one's time' (čas = period, time)

glupy is OK for 'stupid', durny is colloquial, expressive, means more like 'dumb'
razumny for 'inteligent' is for me OK (from razuměti 'to understand')
Glasovanje je čista gluposť. Voting is a pure nonsense.
Pišem slovjansky. I write Slovianski.

http://www.conlangs.fora.pl/index.php
http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html
http://dict.interslavic.com/index.jsp
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