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Topic Started: Jan 17 2012, 02:44 PM (112,994 Views)
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Obviously, because the writer IS a Polish-knowing writer. Slovianski written by a Polish-knowing writer looks different than Slovianski written by a Serbian-knowing writer, that's quite normal. And the word "exist" has been discussed ad nauseam here. The only word with a lot of votes is egzistovati, which... well. Of the possible alternatives, istnovati and jestvovati were the winners, IIRC.

If you think it's poor, boring and little informative, then by all means go ahead and propose a better alternative!
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pl. egzystować
cz. existovati
sk. existovat'
sl. eksistirati
sh. eгзистирати
mk. eгзистира
bg. - ?
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3.5 glasy - godi se

sučestvovati: ru-mk-bg (2 glasy) - ne godi se
istnovati: be-uk (1 glas) - ne godi se
jestvovati: sk (0.5 glasy) - ne godi se

Takože v značenju "to exist" koristi se glagol "byti" v ru-be-cz-sk-sl-sh-bg (4 glasy) - godi se
Edited by Aquarius, Jan 25 2012, 05:53 PM.
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Aquarius, It was already discussed
jestvovati is perfectly understandable for anyone, who could guess that it's a form of jesi, no matter is it in official dictionary or not.
istnovati virtually has 2+ voices (you forgot Polish istnieć, Russian adjective истный and adverb присно), but it's ubsolutely unclear for South Slavs.
Egzistovati is a pretty ugly piece and it's unclear for East Slavs.

Thus we should deal with bytovati, jestvovati and egzistovati, but the first isn't natural [hell, It actually exists in Russian, how could I forget!], and the last is ugly and isn't clear for East Slavs. Conclusion was - we should go with jestvovati
Edited by gossips, Jan 25 2012, 09:36 PM.
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Jan 24 2012, 07:01 PM
EDIT: Admitted, it doesn't look very good in IE8, which is what I am using myself, but it's still acceptable.

You could place a PIE script file on the server side (under the same domain as the site itself) it will allow IEs from 6 to 9 to render most of CSS3 futures after a little correction of CSS files. It will cause a performance drop on the IE users side, which wouldn't be noticeable in our case anyway.

http://css3pie.com/
Edited by gossips, Jan 25 2012, 07:14 PM.
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Jan 25 2012, 05:32 PM
pl. egzystować
cz. existovati
sk. existovat'
sl. eksistirati
sh. eгзистирати
mk. eгзистира
bg. - ?
---
3.5 glasy - godi se

sučestvovati: ru-mk-bg (2 glasy) - ne godi se
istnovati: be-uk (1 glas) - ne godi se
jestvovati: sk (0.5 glasy) - ne godi se

Takože v značenju "to exist" koristi se glagol "byti" v ru-be-cz-sk-sl-sh-bg (4 glasy) - godi se
Bulgarian has also екзистирам. So that does give it 4 votes. Besides, anybody who knows English or German or French will understand it as well. Which doesn't solve the problem that it in most cases it will look idiotic.

Istnovati has at least two votes: Polish, Ukrainian and Russian. It's better than nothing.

And it's true, jestvovati has only 0.5 vote. But this turned out one of those words that practically don't exist anywhere but are still oddly understandable for everybody. So while it's a typical level 3 word, it can have great value.

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Egzistovati is a pretty ugly piece and it's unclear for East Slavs.
1. Ne loše inyh slovov bude.
2. Za čo "unclear"? V ruskom je slovo "экзистенция". Tak što "clear".
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istnovati virtually has 2+ voices (you forgot Polish istnieć, Russian adjective истный and adverb присно)
To je silno nategnuto ob ruskom. Ja ne vidžu svezka medžu "istnovati" i danymi ruskimi slovami.
Edited by Aquarius, Jan 26 2012, 03:04 AM.
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И еще! Верните в меню шрифт без засечек!
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1. Ok, it's a subjective thing anyway.
2. How many Russians know that экзистенция means the same thing as существование? 10%? 20%? My mom doesn't and I've learned it only trough English "to exist", such a rarely used word it is. Same in Ukraine. I don't know about Belarus, though.
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To je silno nategnuto ob ruskom. Ja ne vidžu svezka medžu "istnovati" i danymi ruskimi slovami.

This is strange, because присно means exactly "existing forever".

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И еще! Верните в меню шрифт без засечек!

You mean, on the http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/ front page?
Look closer then, it's a sans-serif font, not serif.
Edited by gossips, Jan 26 2012, 04:15 PM.
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I must say I love this design. Far better.
My Interslavic shortly - no i/y disinction and o/e rule enforced (byti>biti x biti>biti, svežego x dobrogo), soft consonants ń, ĺ, ď, ť, ŕ, ě/e merged, ę->ja, no syllabic r/l (torg, deržava, volk, dolgi), tl/dl clusters preserved (midlo, metla), CroC, CloC, CreC, CleC (grod, glova, breg, mleko), 1st sg. ending -u, 3rd pl. ending ut/jat (delaju, čuju, molvju x delajut, čujut, molvjat). Basically, a heavy Western flavour with some Eastern elements.
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You mean, on the http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/ front page?
Look closer then, it's a sans-serif font, not serif.
Друже! Я имею в в виду именно эту страницу. И там жёсткий "Шериф" (в меню).
Edited by Aquarius, Jan 26 2012, 05:23 PM.
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Друже! Я имею в в виду именно эту страницу. И там жёсткий "Шериф" (в меню).
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#menu table.knop td {
font-size: 90%;
font-weight: bold;
font-variant: small-caps !important;
font-family: DejaVu Sans !important;
text-align: left;
}
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Ne znam, što v CSS, ale vidžu:
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Priznam, že ja takože ne imam DejaVu. Ale skaži, kaki jest problem s Serif?
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Ne znam, što v CSS, ale vidžu:

whatched here: http://netrenderer.com/ and seems, everything's Ok:

If you don't have the font, you can get it here: http://dejavu-fonts.org/wiki/Download
I had to think about it and specify several fonts in CSS, my bad.
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He's right, menu here is not a typographic, but a web navigation element, it souldn't contain serifed text.

Jan, please change this row to this:
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font-family: DejaVu Sans, Sans, Verdana, Tahoma;
Edited by IJzeren Jan, Jan 26 2012, 06:23 PM.
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