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ETYMOLOGY; Re. etymologies of slavic words
Topic Started: Jul 18 2011, 05:42 PM (402 Views)
steeven
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TO WAIT
Anyone have any idea why Russian language uses "ждать" while all other NatLangs use "ČEKATI" ?
(yes, yes...Ukrainian has both; maybe same in others also; but only Russian has only ждать :blink: :unsure: )
Are these two word-forms etymologically related?
Did one "morph" from the other?

Edited by steeven, Jul 18 2011, 05:44 PM.
Please consider 3 levels of "tests" for word formulation:

1. Logical, Analytical or Commonly Slavic
2. That it "makes sense" - to the people (not just the creators) - "will the people both accept & use it?"

3. Avoid "conflicts"
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iopq
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ждать comes from жажда (thirst)
in Russian you "thirst" for something when you wait for it
Bo v c'omu žytti pomiž baletom i svobodoju zavždy potribno vybyraty svobodu, navit' jakščo ce čehoslovac'kyj general.
Sergij Žadan "Anarchy in the Ukr"
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steeven
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iopq
Jul 18 2011, 05:52 PM
ждать comes from жажда (thirst)
in Russian you "thirst" for something when you wait for it
Of course.
Much more drama in Russia, always.
That should have been apparent to me!
:blink:
:)
I wonder in what ways the Sapir-Whorf Linguistic Relativity Hypothesis would have determined this Russian anomaly?

http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hipoteza_Sapira-Whorfa - Polski
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%93%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%B7%D0%B0_%D0%A1%D0%B5%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%B0_%E2%80%94_%D0%A3%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%84%D0%B0 - Руски
http://sr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%B0%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%80-%D0%92%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%84%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0_%D1%85%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%B7%D0%B0 - Спрски
http://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A5%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%B7%D0%B0_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D0%A1%D0%B0%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%80_%E2%80%94_%D0%A3%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%84 - Български
Edited by steeven, Jul 18 2011, 08:21 PM.
Please consider 3 levels of "tests" for word formulation:

1. Logical, Analytical or Commonly Slavic
2. That it "makes sense" - to the people (not just the creators) - "will the people both accept & use it?"

3. Avoid "conflicts"
www.MEDŽUSLOVJANSKI.com - Grammar
www.INTERSLAVIC.info - Lexicon
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IJzeren Jan
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I don't know, but here's a quote from Babylon 5:

If regret could be harvested, Russia would be the world's fruit-basket.
—Commander Susan Ivanova
Človeku, ktoromu je trudno s soboju samim, verojetno tož bude trudno s vsim inim.

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steeven
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I have always enjoyed Russia, the Russian language, culture and people.
Things change; and they stay the same ;)
All in all, pravda, правда.
Please consider 3 levels of "tests" for word formulation:

1. Logical, Analytical or Commonly Slavic
2. That it "makes sense" - to the people (not just the creators) - "will the people both accept & use it?"

3. Avoid "conflicts"
www.MEDŽUSLOVJANSKI.com - Grammar
www.INTERSLAVIC.info - Lexicon
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bandziol20
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To the topic : not only Russian ждать but also :
Old Polish : żdać
Old Czech : ždati,
Kashubian : ždac
Slovene : ždeti
I would like to think it is very old word connected to sidiet' 'to sit', but with zero-degree of vocal in root.
Edited by bandziol20, Jul 5 2012, 07:34 AM.
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iopq
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bandziol20
Sep 9 2011, 01:53 PM
To the topic : not only Russian żdat' but also :
Old Polish : ždac' (sorry, polish font doesn't work)
Old Czech : ždati,
Kashubian : ždac
Slovene : ždeti
I would like to think it is very old word connected to sidiet' 'to sit', but with zero-degree of vocal in root.
it's actually connected to жажда - which is the OCS version of *žędi̯ā
which is connected to жадать/ждать
Edited by iopq, Sep 9 2011, 02:49 PM.
Bo v c'omu žytti pomiž baletom i svobodoju zavždy potribno vybyraty svobodu, navit' jakščo ce čehoslovac'kyj general.
Sergij Žadan "Anarchy in the Ukr"
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iopq
Sep 9 2011, 02:47 PM
it's actually connected to жажда - which is the OCS version of *žędi̯ā
which is connected to жадать/ждать
Hm... Do you know circumstances of loosing -a- in this case ?
Glasovanje je čista gluposť. Voting is a pure nonsense.
Pišem slovjansky. I write Slovianski.

http://www.conlangs.fora.pl/index.php
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bandziol20
Sep 9 2011, 04:49 PM
iopq
Sep 9 2011, 02:47 PM
it's actually connected to жажда - which is the OCS version of *žędi̯ā
which is connected to жадать/ждать
Hm... Do you know circumstances of loosing -a- in this case ?
it's not really -a-, it's -ę- like I wrote earlier, I just wrote the Russian forms only

it's a nasal infix for the present tense, I think kind of like byti - bǫdǫ, except in Slavic the infinitive also takes the nasal
in Lit. it's pasigendù, pasigèsti (to feel a lack of) according to Vasmer's etymological dictionary
Bo v c'omu žytti pomiž baletom i svobodoju zavždy potribno vybyraty svobodu, navit' jakščo ce čehoslovac'kyj general.
Sergij Žadan "Anarchy in the Ukr"
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