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| Mścisław | Sep 20 2010, 01:41 PM Post #16 |
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Izrozumel. |
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| wannabeme | Sep 20 2010, 04:44 PM Post #17 |
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Hääää, in BCS komanda means command and team is said "tim, kompanija, družina, družstvo" Edited by wannabeme, Sep 20 2010, 04:45 PM.
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| IJzeren Jan | Sep 23 2010, 02:41 PM Post #18 |
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I didn't catch it immediately either. For "team" etc, Polish has "grupa, zespół, kompania, drużyna, ekipa". How understandable is "družina" for others? [čćч] |
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Človeku, ktoromu je trudno s soboju samim, verojetno tož bude trudno s vsim inim. Slovianski - Словянски - Словјански [čćч] | |
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| wannabeme | Sep 23 2010, 03:58 PM Post #19 |
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BCS has grupa, ekipa too, so practicaly all except zespol. |
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| steeven | Sep 23 2010, 05:44 PM Post #20 |
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Translate these into your slavic language: 1. football team 2. army team 3. army squad 4. business team 5. team of horses |
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Please consider 3 levels of "tests" for word formulation: 1. Logical, Analytical or Commonly Slavic 2. That it "makes sense" - to the people (not just the creators) - "will the people both accept & use it?" 3. Avoid "conflicts" www.MEDŽUSLOVJANSKI.com - Grammar www.INTERSLAVIC.info - Lexicon | |
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| Mścisław | Sep 23 2010, 06:06 PM Post #21 |
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1. drużyna 2. ? 3. oddział 4. Do you mean sth like "kompania"? 5. What do you mean? Edited by Mścisław, Sep 23 2010, 09:03 PM.
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| Moraczewski | Sep 23 2010, 08:50 PM Post #22 |
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1. Команда 2. ??? 3. группа, команда, отделение 4. Коллектив 5. Табун You choose not the right way to select the word. We almost never use družina in Russian but everyone understands it. Edited by Moraczewski, Sep 23 2010, 08:51 PM.
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"I nenít pochyby, že kdokoli chce a umí, může sobě stworiti jazyk krásný, bohatý, libozwučný a wšemožně dokonalý: ale jazyk takowý nebudě wíce národnim, alebrž osobním jazykem toho kdo jej sobě udělal". František Palacký. Posudek o českém jazyku spisovném, 1831. [čćч] | |
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| wannabeme | Sep 23 2010, 10:00 PM Post #23 |
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1) fudbalska raprezentacija/ fudbalski tim/nogometna momčad/fudbalska ekipa 2) hmmm if you think army unit then vojna jedinica/borbena postrojba, and if you think millitary team - vojni odred, brigada, korpus. 3) vojni/borbeni/ratni odred, oddelenje, jedinica, patrola. 4) biznis tim poslovni tim5) we dont say team for horses, we say only: "Kolko imaš PS?...Hmmm 4"
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| Gabriel Svoboda | Sep 24 2010, 07:04 AM Post #24 |
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1) fotbalové mužstvo/družstvo, fotbalový tým 2) ??? vojenská jednotka 3) družstvo, četa 4) kolektiv (?) 5) koňské spřežení |
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| steeven | Sep 24 2010, 07:20 AM Post #25 |
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Thank you! So, where English uses one word - "TEAM" - in many different circumstances, it is obvious that Slavic languages will use many different word-forms. (I'm sorry I did not give more thought about my choice of English examples) But certainly this goes to show me and any other English speaker that "KOMANDA" will not serve as the "catch-all" word in our inter-slavic language uses. Interesting that nobody used "ejkipa" or something similar ~ ejkipa futbola, futbola ejkipa - which is a primary word among the Romance languages - but also shown as another word for "TEAM" in most of the Slavic dictionaries. Hvala! |
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Please consider 3 levels of "tests" for word formulation: 1. Logical, Analytical or Commonly Slavic 2. That it "makes sense" - to the people (not just the creators) - "will the people both accept & use it?" 3. Avoid "conflicts" www.MEDŽUSLOVJANSKI.com - Grammar www.INTERSLAVIC.info - Lexicon | |
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| Moraczewski | Sep 24 2010, 09:25 AM Post #26 |
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As you see, word-to-word translation from English to Slovianski/IS is theoretically impossible. That's why I am strongly against translation machine. |
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"I nenít pochyby, že kdokoli chce a umí, může sobě stworiti jazyk krásný, bohatý, libozwučný a wšemožně dokonalý: ale jazyk takowý nebudě wíce národnim, alebrž osobním jazykem toho kdo jej sobě udělal". František Palacký. Posudek o českém jazyku spisovném, 1831. [čćч] | |
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| pedza | Sep 24 2010, 11:29 AM Post #27 |
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Macedonian: 1. Fudbalski tim (2) 3. Voeno oddelenie 4. Biznis tim 5. Konjska zaprega
Fully. ^^ Edited by pedza, Sep 24 2010, 11:31 AM.
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| »V velikomu narodam geniju se gnezdo tkaje« -- Vladika Petar II Petrovič Njegoš | |
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| steeven | Sep 24 2010, 05:48 PM Post #28 |
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I understand. The BETA of our translation engine absolutely has encountered these problems. Nonetheless, computers and computer programs are here forever to stay - lest we have a global catastrophe, etc. I had a very long discussion about "these problems" with our translation engine techs. The told me that the science of this is accelerating so quickly that they believe we will have almost flawless translations within the next 10 years. Of major interest was their discussion about a computer that goes beyond "machine" and actually will consist of a type of human brain - that this will be the "great leap forward" in science (indeed, they say this type of organic computer already exists). Hmmmm.........
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Please consider 3 levels of "tests" for word formulation: 1. Logical, Analytical or Commonly Slavic 2. That it "makes sense" - to the people (not just the creators) - "will the people both accept & use it?" 3. Avoid "conflicts" www.MEDŽUSLOVJANSKI.com - Grammar www.INTERSLAVIC.info - Lexicon | |
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| Moraczewski | Sep 24 2010, 07:23 PM Post #29 |
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As a specialist, I can tell that it will definitely NOT happen in 10, 20, 30 years. Computer translation will NEVER be equal to human translation (except, probably, highly special texts, such as technical descriptions or laws and contracts). The only way how to make the computer close to human brain is... read "The Cyberiad" by Stanisław Lem, the second chapter. |
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"I nenít pochyby, že kdokoli chce a umí, může sobě stworiti jazyk krásný, bohatý, libozwučný a wšemožně dokonalý: ale jazyk takowý nebudě wíce národnim, alebrž osobním jazykem toho kdo jej sobě udělal". František Palacký. Posudek o českém jazyku spisovném, 1831. [čćч] | |
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| steeven | Sep 25 2010, 06:29 PM Post #30 |
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What is that simple quote? "Never say 'Never' "
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