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OTHER CONLANGS; Discussion about other conlangs
Topic Started: Feb 28 2010, 05:40 PM (4,235 Views)
IJzeren Jan
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http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/constructed_slavic_languages.html
Človeku, ktoromu je trudno s soboju samim, verojetno tož bude trudno s vsim inim.

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WHICH OF THESE PROJECTS ARE ALIVE OR PRODUCTIVE ?
Glasovanje je čista gluposť. Voting is a pure nonsense.
Pišem slovjansky. I write Slovianski.

http://www.conlangs.fora.pl/index.php
http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html
http://dict.interslavic.com/index.jsp
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hm... I've found this article and I don't know what to think about that. What is the Common Slavic ?
Glasovanje je čista gluposť. Voting is a pure nonsense.
Pišem slovjansky. I write Slovianski.

http://www.conlangs.fora.pl/index.php
http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html
http://dict.interslavic.com/index.jsp
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That's Cyril Babaev's grammar of Common Slavic (= Proto-Slavic). As far as I know, this is one of the oldest Internet sources about Common Slavic; I remember making a paper copy of it some eleven or twelve years ago. I thought it had disappeared a long time ago!
Človeku, ktoromu je trudno s soboju samim, verojetno tož bude trudno s vsim inim.

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1. What is Lojban?

Lojban (pronounced “LOZH-bahn”) is a constructed language. Previous versions of the language were called “Loglan” by Dr. James Cooke Brown, who founded the Loglan Project and started the development of the language in 1955. The goals for the language were first described in the open literature in the article “Loglan”, published in Scientific American, June, 1960. Made well-known by that article and by occasional references in science fiction (most notably in Robert Heinlein’s novel The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress) and computer publications, Loglan and Lojban have been built over four decades by dozens of workers and hundreds of supporters, led since 1987 by The Logical Language Group (who are the publishers of this book).

There are thousands of artificial languages (of which Esperanto is the best-known), but Loglan/Lojban has been engineered to make it unique in several ways. The following are the main features of Lojban:

  • Lojban is designed to be used by people in communication with each other, and possibly in the future with computers.
  • Lojban is designed to be neutral between cultures.
  • Lojban grammar is based on the principles of predicate logic.
  • Lojban has an unambiguous yet flexible grammar.
  • Lojban has phonetic spelling, and unambiguously resolves its sounds into words.
  • Lojban is simple compared to natural languages; it is easy to learn.
  • Lojban’s 1300 root words can be easily combined to form a vocabulary of millions of words.
  • Lojban is regular; the rules of the language are without exceptions.
  • Lojban attempts to remove restrictions on creative and clear thought and communication.
  • Lojban has a variety of uses, ranging from the creative to the scientific, from the theoretical to the practical.
  • Lojban has been demonstrated in translation and in original works of prose and poetry.
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Edited by steeven, Jan 25 2013, 04:34 PM.
Please consider 3 levels of "tests" for word formulation:

1. Logical, Analytical or Commonly Slavic
2. That it "makes sense" - to the people (not just the creators) - "will the people both accept & use it?"

3. Avoid "conflicts"
www.MEDŽUSLOVJANSKI.com - Grammar
www.INTERSLAVIC.info - Lexicon
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Quote:
 
Slovio, is the international simplified Slavic language, as simple as Esperanto but understood by some 400 million people around the world. This makes Slovio one of the most widely understood languages around the world. This international language is gaining, daily, new ground: because it is as simple as the simplest constructed language and at the same time can be put to an immediate daily use for communication with some 400 million speakers...
want some more ?
Glasovanje je čista gluposť. Voting is a pure nonsense.
Pišem slovjansky. I write Slovianski.

http://www.conlangs.fora.pl/index.php
http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html
http://dict.interslavic.com/index.jsp
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esra

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/auxlang/message/66633 | Not really a conlang...

"...Sim-Arabic - A simplified, regularized, romanized language based on written Arabic..."

"...The constituent word order of Sim-Arabic is Verb-Subject-Object (bite dog man)..."

> Essentially what I did was to use auxlang principles to create a
> language based on a single source language: Arabic. I simplified and
> regularized the grammar, and adopted a Romanized alphabet. I call it
> “Sim-Arabic” (because I’m not very imaginative when it comes to
> naming my conlangs).
>
> If you’re interested, I’d appreciate it if you would take a look and
> return comments. (To avoid the delay caused by the email digest,
> please CC my address in your reply.) It is up on my web page at:
> SimArabic (and thank you to all who
> gave advice on writing a primer).



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steeven
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I just reviewed your Sim-Arabic PDF's - and sent you a direct email...in which I noted that I found your effort to be excellent! A great way for someone to have an introduction to Arabic - without having to fall deeply into the dark hole of becoming too discouraged too early on, because of the seemingly complex nature of Arabic.
Thank you!

Please consider 3 levels of "tests" for word formulation:

1. Logical, Analytical or Commonly Slavic
2. That it "makes sense" - to the people (not just the creators) - "will the people both accept & use it?"

3. Avoid "conflicts"
www.MEDŽUSLOVJANSKI.com - Grammar
www.INTERSLAVIC.info - Lexicon
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garbelygoo

Here is a "Novegradian" which is seemingly a labor of love to bring a dead language back. Please tell me what you Think.
http://www.veche.net/novegradian/
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Hey! They have a Novegradian Lexicon too!

http://www.veche.net/lexicon/nov/index.html
Please consider 3 levels of "tests" for word formulation:

1. Logical, Analytical or Commonly Slavic
2. That it "makes sense" - to the people (not just the creators) - "will the people both accept & use it?"

3. Avoid "conflicts"
www.MEDŽUSLOVJANSKI.com - Grammar
www.INTERSLAVIC.info - Lexicon
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garbelygoo

steeven
Jan 28 2013, 07:31 AM
Hey! They have a Novegradian Lexicon too!

http://www.veche.net/lexicon/nov/index.html
It's missing the 2ndary palatalization that occurred in (all?) the other Slavic languages. It's got evidentials like Bulgarian and a topic marker supposedly elaborated from Russian and some handy discourse particles.

I think it's cool but I don't know how it sounds to a Slavic speaker.
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I thought that the author wrote that the dictionary & related grammar was a "simplification" of what may have been the original language. Even so, his work offers us an insight into slavic etymological history, no?
Please consider 3 levels of "tests" for word formulation:

1. Logical, Analytical or Commonly Slavic
2. That it "makes sense" - to the people (not just the creators) - "will the people both accept & use it?"

3. Avoid "conflicts"
www.MEDŽUSLOVJANSKI.com - Grammar
www.INTERSLAVIC.info - Lexicon
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steeven
Feb 1 2013, 06:34 PM
I thought that the author wrote that the dictionary & related grammar was a "simplification" of what may have been the original language. Even so, his work offers us an insight into slavic etymological history, no?
True, I believe it has value. A lot of research went into it.
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Yes, but please do not forget that Novegradian is a *fictional* language. It is a wonderfully elaborated conlang in a fantastic concultural setting, both of which are certainly worth a visit (as I have done many times), but it is not of any practical use to us.
Človeku, ktoromu je trudno s soboju samim, verojetno tož bude trudno s vsim inim.

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Well, the author does write:

"Although the Novegradian language is artificial, it does have some roots in reality. The idea for it originated when I first came across an article on the “Old Novgorodian Dialect” on Wikipedia, a real and attested dialect spoken in northwest Russia around the city of Veliky Novgorod and throughout its vast territory from roughly the 10th through 15th centuries. This discovery sparked a long-lasting interest in me regarding both the medieval state of Novgorod and its language, both of which were highly unusual given their place and time on the periphery of Slavic-speaking territory. The Old Novgorodian dialect had a number of very unique features, such as its apparent lack of the Second Palatalization seen in all of the other Slavic languages, its unusual Ŏ-stem nominative singular ending -e, the origin of which is still a matter of great controversy, and unique phonological phenomena such as tsokanye and shokanye, referring to the confusion of /ts ~ tʃ/ and /sʲ ~ ʃ , zʲ ~ ʒ/ respectively. As someone with a great interest in Slavic historical linguistics, I couldn’t pass up the chance to delve deeper (although I realize to someone without a background in Slavic linguistics, the previous statements probably wouldn’t appear nearly as intriguing as they were to myself). After some searching, I was able to come across some very high-quality literature and research regarding this dialect in both English and Russian.

To some extent, that may make Novegradian more of a hybrid language, an attempt to see what this long-extinct dialect might look like had it survived to the modern day. Much of the early history of the language as discussed in this grammar is real; I simply took various trends to their full conclusion, developing the Old Novgorodian dialect into a distinct language (and for that matter, a completely separate branch of the Slavic languages, albeit with heavy East Slavic influences). However, as a creative work, I was also able to take a number of artistic liberties. I did rewrite a few aspects of early history of Old Novgorodian; if you have much familiarity with the dialect, you may notice how I have preserved the Common Slavic vowel *ě at least in certain cases, while it seems that in reality Old Novgorodian was one of the first Slavic languages to have lost it, merging it with *i. I was also able to fully side with various theories that in reality are debatable, and take phenomena that were inconsistent in reality and make them consistent. In no way should any part of this work be taken as a scholarly piece on the real Old Novgorodian, despite the many real elements incorporated into it.
Please consider 3 levels of "tests" for word formulation:

1. Logical, Analytical or Commonly Slavic
2. That it "makes sense" - to the people (not just the creators) - "will the people both accept & use it?"

3. Avoid "conflicts"
www.MEDŽUSLOVJANSKI.com - Grammar
www.INTERSLAVIC.info - Lexicon
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