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| IJzeren Jan | Feb 13 2010, 10:32 AM Post #16 |
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I'm afraid I don't really understand what this is all about. My Russian ain't thát good! What's the point of "čo", here? |
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Človeku, ktoromu je trudno s soboju samim, verojetno to bude trudno s vsim inim. Slovianski - Словянски - Словјански [čćч] | |
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| iopq | Feb 13 2010, 10:41 AM Post #17 |
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the point is that people who use czo are considered thugs and hooligans while szto is the normal pronunciation |
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Bo v c'omu žytti pomiž baletom i svobodoju zavždy potribno vybyraty svobodu, navit' jakščo ce čehoslovac'kyj general. Sergij Žadan "Anarchy in the Ukr" | |
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| IJzeren Jan | Feb 13 2010, 02:08 PM Post #18 |
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Oy, what a pity that I don't understand it! In any case, if it's considered low register language, that basically proves only that it is understood. It's not really an argument against čo, in any case. Let's face it, the word kak means "shit" in a lot of languages! Of course, the whole discussion is moot in so far that I'm sure što will be understood by Poles and Czechs as well, just like čo will be understood by East Slavs. I have a feeling that in the eyes of many Poles što is something very Russian (even though we all know it ain't) - which in the eyes of quite a few people makes it a language of thugs and hooligans anyway. ![]() Here's info for some other languages: Upper Sorbian: što Lower Sorbian: co Kashubian: co Rusyn (Lemkivskyj): što All in all, I have to admit that the vote is really close and that you can't really say one option is better than the other. It's a case very similar to that of jak/kak: the vote is about 50/50, kak wins in terms of speakers and is more in line with kto, kogda etc., while jak has etymology on its side. I'm not a great fan of optional variants, especially when it comes to grammar words like this one, but we might make an exception here - just like we have both kak and jak. The disadvantage is that such a thing should also be reflected in variants like ničo/ništo, vsečo/vsešto etc., but nothing we can't handle, I guess. |
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Človeku, ktoromu je trudno s soboju samim, verojetno to bude trudno s vsim inim. Slovianski - Словянски - Словјански [čćч] | |
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| steeven | Feb 15 2010, 12:31 AM Post #19 |
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So, there will be two options: ČO and ŠTO with attendant modifications to related forms ? :ph43r: |
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Please consider 3 levels of "tests" for word formulation: 1. Logical, Analytical or Commonly Slavic 2. That it "makes sense" - to the people (not just the creators) - "will the people both accept & use it?" 3. Avoid "conflicts" www.MEDUSLOVJANSKI.com - Grammar www.INTERSLAVIC.info - Lexicon | |
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| IJzeren Jan | Feb 15 2010, 10:38 AM Post #20 |
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Unless someone objects, yes, that would be the logical outcome of this discussion. |
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| gossips | Feb 15 2010, 03:50 PM Post #21 |
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As another Russian in this thread I don't see any problem with čo like a middle solution. Čo is widely used in spoken Russian like a short variant of spoken čego (which used in sense of what like a synonim of literary čto) and sounds bad only in short derivative ničo (in both spoken and literary Russian is used ničego when ničo use "thugs and hooligans" or grammar nazi like an ironic answer to those who use čo in their style of speaking )Who said that Russian is a logical language? Noone I guess :lol: |
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Vila matka kuročka, S nej mali kuriati: "Ko-ko-ko, Ko-ko-ko, Nesimati hoditi daleko!" | |
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| IJzeren Jan | Feb 15 2010, 07:24 PM Post #22 |
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Yes, I agree that čo is still the better option. I'd believe that a person who has što but also čego, will intuitively see it as a combination of those two anyway. But anyway, it's not a bad thing to offer the choice between both options. Just like in the case of jak and kak. |
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Človeku, ktoromu je trudno s soboju samim, verojetno to bude trudno s vsim inim. Slovianski - Словянски - Словјански [čćч] | |
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| iopq | Feb 16 2010, 03:45 AM Post #23 |
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Yeah, but when people use czo where czego cannot be used as in "Чё это такое?" it does sound unrefined |
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Bo v c'omu žytti pomiž baletom i svobodoju zavždy potribno vybyraty svobodu, navit' jakščo ce čehoslovac'kyj general. Sergij Žadan "Anarchy in the Ukr" | |
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| wannabeme | Feb 16 2010, 06:02 PM Post #24 |
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This is not true. What are South-Languages? 1. Macedonian has long O and short E in hard position, both are lost in soft positon. согласен 2. Bulgarian has ъ and e in hard position. съгласен 3.Serbian and Croatian halfvocals became both a in hard position and lost in soft position. сагласан 4. Slovenian has also O and E. soglasen |
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| Vojta | Feb 16 2010, 09:04 PM Post #25 |
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Da, to jest pravda. Ne jest to tako proste, jako pisah. izvinij V. |
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Vojtěch Merunka НОВОСЛОВЯНСКИ http://neoslavonic.org СЛОВЯНСКИ СОВЕЗ http://slovane.org | |
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| wannabeme | Feb 17 2010, 02:27 PM Post #26 |
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Паки добро, не можетъ се всекъгда знати все о всђхъ словенскђхъ iaзицђхъ. Людъски естъ грђшити. Твой ветъ добьр естъ и мьнђ разумливъ но не сви Словене разумђютъ аористъ и имперфектъ тако добро iaко Българи и Сьрби и не вси имаютъ ъ и ь на тастатурђ. Велики поздравъ
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