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Kane
Topic Started: Nov 17 2006, 07:45 PM (304 Views)
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He was more of a badass when he had the mask.
Who here agrees with me. :blink:
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I disagree. And I'll tell you why.

At first, all that changed with the removal of Kane's mask was his appearance. But with the losing of his mask Kane gained several things:

May 19th. Which I actually have just gotten a brilliant and evil idea about. More on that in May.

Eyes: WEith his mask, his eyes were more diffivult to see. Nwo, even with his oddly sloping forehead, Kane's demonic(literally) eyes are now clearly more visible. Also, his shaved head makes him look more mentally-disturbed.

Punch-Out-Of-Phonebooth-Ability: Self-explanatory. Highlight of my evening. He never punched out of a phonebooth when he had his mask. He was too busy getting his butt handed to him by 'Taker.

AND! My ace in the hole. Even if you dispute the facts above, I have ONE thing that makes non-mask Kane better then masked-kane:

Masked Kane had the Katie Vick storyline. 'Nuff said.
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I was laughing my ass of as I watched that match. Was Great, But still, most of the mentioned above never really occured to me. And I am afraid to ask, What is the Katie Vick story? :huh:
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Nov 17 2006, 10:07 PM
I disagree. And I'll tell you why.

At first, all that changed with the removal of Kane's mask was his appearance. But with the losing of his mask Kane gained several things:

May 19th. Which I actually have just gotten a brilliant and evil idea about. More on that in May.

Eyes: WEith his mask, his eyes were more diffivult to see. Nwo, even with his oddly sloping forehead, Kane's demonic(literally) eyes are now clearly more visible. Also, his shaved head makes him look more mentally-disturbed.

Punch-Out-Of-Phonebooth-Ability: Self-explanatory. Highlight of my evening. He never punched out of a phonebooth when he had his mask. He was too busy getting his butt handed to him by 'Taker.

AND! My ace in the hole. Even if you dispute the facts above, I have ONE thing that makes non-mask Kane better then masked-kane:

Masked Kane had the Katie Vick storyline. 'Nuff said.

And now i will, from a wrestling fan (not to be confused with a WWE or TNA fan) will tell you why IBIS's reasons are grap...

First of all, the May 19th storyline was pretty bad; during that time, Kane could've been doing something more... such as, maybe, a run as the Intercontinental or WWE champion. He damn sure deserves it more than John Cena...

While his eyes do look bad-ass, when he removed his mask, WWE (WWF at the time) fans expected burn marks, singed flesh, ect. The people who realize that wrestling is fake thought of this as more of a chance for WWE (again, WWF at the time) to capitalize on Kane's look (which was supposed to be incredibly grotesque to say the least).

The punch-out-of-phonebooth-ability was moderately bad-ass, but it was nothing compared to what he did with his mask; While he did feud with his (kayfabe) brother, Undertaker and lost a number of times, he did rack up a number of wins... Also, during his masked phase he had this match known as the "Inferno" match... While the match really wasn't all that impressive, the WWE (for the third or fourth time, WWF at the time) actually did a moderately good job with this match.

And as for IBIS's ace in the hole, the whole Katie Vick storyline (one of those reasons why i DESPISE VINCE RUSSO!) was terrible (much of an understatement) but there have been worse... MUCH worse... Need i remind you of the past few Monday Night RAW's as well as Cyber Sunday? They featured a... special... guest much to the chagrin of the fans... Who was actually involved in the main event of a PPV when that... special... guest should have been worried more about his uber-failing album/concert tour...

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The Katie Vick Storyline
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The k-Fed...thing...they have going is not worse then Katie Vick for a single reason: We get to see the failure PHAIL at life, and we don't need to pay $30 to see it. Plus as an added bonus, we all know he's going to get slapped around soon, provided of course that his current "issue" ((The highlight of this entire YEAR)) doesn't move WWE to cut his storyline. They sure as hell better stop promoting his album if they haven't already done so.

Besides, imagine if K-Fed was not the celebrity that was in the storyline. Pretend that it was an ACTUAL celebrity with ACTUAL talent. It would be a far better idea, even with that single change, promoting at least promise for good. All Katie Vick had was...necrophilia. At least with a Phailing Rapper I can laugh at him. When wrestlers I am a fan of do things with mannequins...I just cry.
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In response to your "Katie Vick" story thing, i give one reason why there is worse...


Reason 1: Kennel From Hell
~For those of you who don't know, the whole story behind the Kennel from Hell match began when the Big Boss Man (kayfabe) kidnapped, cooked, and fed Al Snow his dog. In response to this, Snow challenged him to this match. Now, the regular steel cage was placed around the ring, followed by the Hell in a Cell cage. Two dogs who were "starved for weeks" were placed in the space in between the HiaC and the Steel cage. The whole point of the match was to escape from the structure, which was designed to be difficult, and NOT get eaten by the "starved" dogs... Unfortunately, the whole thing was a total disaster... The dogs spent the duration of the match snapping at each other and defecating all over the floor... Needless to say, This match had its ass chewed off harder and faster than the entire Katie Vick storyline in its full duration... Sorry, but dogs with a case of a solidy-wet diarrhea shitting everywhere beats out necrophilia in the "ew" factor
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All you just did was prove that worse could be done. You did nothing to prove Mask Kane > Kane.
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Actually, i proved that worse HAS been done... That virtually cancels out the katie vick handicap masked kane has, therefore proving that masked kane > kane.
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What the hell kind of world are you living in?

Just because worse has happened doesn't mean it cancels out Katie Vick. That debacle of a match is entirely seperate from this discussion. Why?

IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH KANE.

Your statement has NO grounds with which to give it substanence. I mean, honestly, how does a match that was horrible make Masked Kane cooler?

Kennel Match<Katie Vick=Masked Kane>Kane

THAT MAKES NO SENSE.

Its like saying because of the Diva Search that Triple H needed surgery. AGAIN. Two unrelated incidents somehow giving cause to one another. It just doesn't happen. At least not in this case.
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ACTUALLY what i said was this...

*> = worse than

Kennel match *> Katie Vick = Masked Kane > today's kane...

After all, the main basis behind your masked kane inferiority theory is the Katie Vick Storyline... The fact that there has been worse shows that it wasn't all that terrible... Re-read some of your posts (particularly the ones mentioning Katie Vick) and you'll see that I'm totally correct...

And for those of you who are uninformed... I live in my OWN world!
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YOUR world is the ONLY world in which that belief works.

Just because something was more horrible, doesn't excuse the fact of Katie Vick's own phailure. This world, the real world, just doesn't work like that.

Analogy:
That's like saying 9/11 was worse than the Holocaust, and now the Holocaust is rendered impotent, making WWII seem like nothing. Or vice-versa. The idea is pure nonsense, and I can't even believe I'm still entertaining the notion.

Katie Vick is not excused because worse has been done. It is still a massive mar upon the history of masked kane, a mar that brings it below unmasked kane.

The Kennel Match, or any other mtach NOT INVOLVING KANE does not change that fact.

Find a horrible match/storyline that unmasked kane was a part of that was worse than Katie Vick and I'll consider your opinion. Until then, you're wrong. Live with it.
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If we're talking storylines, Is it REALLY all that necessary to re-live the storyline involving Kane "impregnating" Lita?
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That wasn't that bad canon, actually. It helped to develop Kane's character, and while I admit it wasn't the best thing they've ever done, it could've been a hell of a whole lot worse.

I mean, think about it. We have kane who has been billed as the sociopathic monster. He gains a fascination with a woman(in this case Lita)who has a relationship with Hardy. Its the classic monster falls for women story with woman being taken already. It provides fuel for not-so-bad rivalries, and I get to see Edge get his ass kicked towards the end, along with Snitsky. And this is a classic that actually isn't so bad. I've used it several times in many of my (unfinished)fics.

Besides, necrophilia with a mannequin is still worse.
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You make several good points... Anyway, because i'm running out of things to use to counter Katie Vick, I'll condede defeat. This really isn't worth the amount of research i would have to do to win...
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