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Race 10, Halfway!; Serena Fools No One, Wins!
Topic Started: Jul 26 2015, 08:38 PM (815 Views)
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Big Win at Northland Oils 200 for Serena No Surprise, First Half of Season Concludes
Northland Oils 200, SNRA Late Model Race #10, Hawkeye Downs, Cedar Rapids, Ia. 1/2 Mile Medium Banked Paved Oval, Sat. July 25, 2015
When the SNRA staff made arrangements for the Cedar Rapids date over the winter, they frankly felt they were scheduling a race at an historic Iowa Dirt venue. For many years only 1 regularly run weekly paved track ran in the State of Iowa. No longer so. The Rapids has been paved, and is fast. The series was given a great reception but it was slick and hot, so much so that the last car one would think might overpower the track, Carl Ross's Blue Flame Six Chevelle Deluxe spun in time trials which were topped by the Flying and Fabulous Frenchy, Dannyboy Lynch.
Posted Image The Fabulous and Famous Dannyboy set fast time.
The 5 lap dash was the typical wild affair of the SNRA, unlike other series, and was taken on a last lap outside pass by Spud Loggins over Bill Hytla, by a manner of inches.
Posted Image Spud Log swirled his way to an exciting win in the dash.
Ramo Stott took to the flagstand and waived the green as Grand Marshall at about 7:30 pm. and the wild affair was underway. Presley Loggins who also turned in the second fastest time paced the first 28 laps just ahead of Dannyboy, but the former champ has a lot of experience and good car control and he took to the point for the next 50 laps. The experienced SNRA fans and everyone in the pits noted that rookie Serena Hytla was seriously on the move in her blue Charger from about the 15th lap on determined to at least top her former champion husband who had a good top 5 car himself. On lap 107 she swept pass him, Mark Desjardins Jr. and one lap later, Dannyboy for the lead. Shortly thereafter Bill ran over some debris and severed a dry sump oil line which caused spinning by Spud Loggins, last week's winner and point leader Hondo Mullis, Trevor Kellys Chevelle and Spud's wife JLog. All these cars were ultimately repaired, with Bill taking to the pits on 3 occasions under the caution to facilitate repair of the line and filling of the oil tank and on lap 118, everyone was underway again at the green.
Ricky Johnson had more or less traced Serena's path through the field earlier in his Torino and remained on her tail in second for most of the rest of the race. At lap 170 he actually dipped under her and while never clearing the big Dodge did hold the top spot at the line for several laps but Serena eventually got back ahead. Marky Desjardins who ran in 3rd or 4th all day appeared to be poised for the lead on the 185th lap himself but couldn't clear Serena all the way on the top, eventually settling back to duel with Rick for the remainder of the race for second, just inches off Ricky's bumper at the strip, but the win went to the savvy rookie Serena, who has been having a great first year by two car lengths in the big mopar. Chargin Charlie got his kit car to last and run smoothly in the race for a fourth after consecutive 24th and 25th places though he was never a challenger for the lead, narrowly holding off Dannyboy who had dropped back slightly but was fighting back and rounded out the top 5.
Posted Image Serena Hytla wheeled the big Dodge to a career first win in impressive fashion.
Time Trials
61 Dannyboy Lynch 69 Falcon
29 Presley Loggins 77 Camaro
96 Spud Loggins 77 Camaro
52 Mark W9 Desjardins Jr. 70 GTO
0 Bill Hytla 76 Laguna

Fast Dash
Spud Loggins
Bill Hytla
Presley Loggins
Mark Desjardins
Dannyboy Lynch

Feature
1. Serena Hytla 4H 74 Charger
2. Ricky Johnson 49 69 Torino
3. Mark W9 Desjardins 52 70 GTO
4. Dave CC Bayer 12 73 Dart Swinger
5. Dannyboy Lynch 61 69 Falcon
6. Dylan Kelly 60 70 Chevelle SS
7. Dave Porkey Henley 43 76 Dart Sport
8. Terry Beckham Jr. 1 62 Chevy II
9. Dr. Kerry Ingram 3 65 Nova
10. Brian Conn 01 70 Mustang Grande
11. Carl da Bugman Ross 27 70 Chevelle Deluxe
12. Chris Bulldog Carmen 4 76 Dart Sport
13. Kevin Wasson 7 65 Fairlane
14. Kevin Loggins 60 K 67 GTX
15. Wisdonm Mueller 3M 64 Belvedere
16. Presley Loggins 29 77 Camaro
17. Kevin Sassman 4K 67 Nova SS
18. AmyGirl Conn 9 76 Capri
19. Canzady Loggins 51 77 Camaro
20. Spud Loggins 96 77 Camaro -8
21. Jim Hondo Mullis 2 64 GTO -9
22. Trevor Kelly 4T 76 Laguna -9
23. Bill Hytla 0 76 Laguna -10
24. JLog Loggins 24 69 Camaro Z28 -10
25. Gordon Gordy Miller 26 67 Chevelle SS -192 Mfg. Defect, Broken Pushrod.
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sepu I got beat by a girl and a rookie. Well at least I made the podium. I guess Odell's spirit must have been with me and Creeb had that big inch Ford tuned right. Good win Serena, but watch yourself; next time I may not be as gentlemanly - a little nudge never hurt nobody. devil
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Well, crap.......... mm1

Congrats on the win, Serena :)))
Good run Ricky and way to go Mark for saving Grace for the GTO group B)

See y'all in "the Greenest City in America...." :lol:
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I'm telling you Hondo, if they ever invert these starts, we will be on the Front Row!!! LOL! So its Portland. Never been there. Maybe we should stay home and go to the big race in Monett. Been to Saugus a couple of times. We took Hershel McGriff's money there after he insulted the car. That'll teach him to bad mouth us hillbillies. Gotta go meet with Big E. R. about our finish. I will gingerly remind him we have been in the top 10 and top 5 so maybe he won't be to grumpy. He did say he had something for the team, which I hope is not eastward walking papers but we will see. In the mean time, everyone drink your MILK! we need all the help we can get!
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:))) :))) :))) :))) :)))

Terrific race !
The fabulous Falcon will running perfect!

Congrats Serena for your win!
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Hey Fabulous, are you the one that keeps slipping the Labatts in our cooler? I didn't think you Frenchys drank anything you didn't stomp on first. How about changing to some Moose Beer, Eh?
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Well, the fabulous Dannyboy is Quebecois, so I suspect Marky may be more the LeBatt's culprit in spite of the name! rr21

Incidentally, at least this week, Beckham had only one chance to see me in his mirror and I think he missed it! Moooahh ha ha ha! :lol: Lest you think I'm getting too cheeky though, check out what I said about you on the Canuck 200 thread. You hit the nail on the head with Brian Conn my friend!

Your pal, the Commish. :)))
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Aw heck, you aint too Cheeky (cheesy maybe) LOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!! I used to practice what I was telling Brian, really. Never went to Daytona or got a car to win some big race but sure gave the local crowds fits. Used to hate to see us coming. You are the first one in some time that I have heard mention roll centers and roll moment (Roll moment arm as I know it) in some time. Usually if I speak of "instant center, roll center, roll axis, center of gravity height, and roll moment arm people think I am a nut. When I watch late models race today, I think that maybe I am. Those cars look like they are doing all the things we worked so hard to get them NOT to do 35-40 years ago. Times change I guess. I will say this, driving is a real skill and talent. I tried a Terry Beckham move this weekend on the go kart and now have a sore shoulder, sore finger and a tire mark on my helmet. DO NOT climb over another karts tire in a turn, you will suffer.
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I can't believe I got beat by my wife.Going to have to turn her car down some.Congrats on the win honey.
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Hey Bill, just to be safe, I wouldn't TOUCH her car at all. Just say "Good Job Honey" and suck it up like a man. Unless you don't mind starch in your BVD's and eating undercooked chicken.
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Well, one thing I can say, anything I've ever seen of Bill and Serena, here or on facebook etc. shows me that they are very much in love, thank God for Bill! r:r Seriously though, that's true.

You're right Lefty, once it got beyond roll/moment/center of gravity I kind of lost what anyone was talking about. There is a center of gravity in a car and it occupies a range in a given moment was how I could envision it. I can just barely understand some of it yet for asphalt, and that soft spring Big Bar stuff would have me all messed up, I mean really? lol but I wouldn't even want to attempt to determine what they are trying to do with dirt late models these days! .?. See how close they can get to rolling over without actually doing it I think! rr21

That was great advice you gave to Brian though. Get it just low enough that everything still works and clears, make it want to turn just enough but not too much, keep the tires flat on the ground and go fast! :)))
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Dave, I agree that just some of the terms will lose most people, understanding how a suspension/chassis actually works stumps even more. I would like to think and believe that I was taught by some of the best at the time. Every driver looks for a different feel, every car/chassis acts a different way but physics don't lie. Physics may stump the living daylights out of you sometimes but thats just the way it is. Today, things are done on computer but when I played with all this it was done with a tape measure and a calculator. Building the models is MUCH, MUCH easier than trying to sort out even a street stock in 1:1. I miss lots of that stuff from the day but to be honest, I'm glad I don't do it anymore. Now I can set up my asphalt car on my workbench in the AC and not do it in a 100 degree shop.
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LOL, amen Lefty George.:))) I figured I was pretty tricky when I dialed in all that negative camber on the right front in my 1/25 scale shop in April to see if I could have a good car for Saugus! r:r I think it will work. Just a little toe maybe, too, do you think? Aw heck, who am I asking, you'll tell me wrong and then Beckham will kick my butt. ..//.. JK. Trickle and Reffner and all those guys helped each other, not far enough to get beat themselves, but they helped each other out.
I'll leave it to Lafontaine, he's young but it's his job and he's gotta learn.
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Dave, one thing I haven't mentioned but is very important is BRAKES. People laugh at me when I say this but really good brakes make you go faster. Sounds crazy I know but its true. If you can brake later, slow down quicker and get on the hammer sooner its like having extra HP. So what if your competitor has that 35K super engine builder engine. You will beat him in the turns every time if your brakes are better than his. Believe me, its been done!
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Oh yes, very good George. At the Dells that technique invariably went by one set of initials, Larry Detjens! :lol: Always in a car length deeper and even in spite of the additional weight, out faster when he added the Hemi to the Bemco Challenger. When you are passing Jimmy Sauter, Tom Reffner and Marv Marzofka on the outside without touching anyone and beating Trickle and Back to the stripe 4 weeks in a row just about everywhere, your point is proven very well. I know common wisdom is in slow and out fast, but when you CAN go in deeper..... :lol:
That was a simpler time, before coil overs and offset chassis, but the advent of Bemco and Howe was ushering in a new age of sophistication. I believe those were heavily modified and expensive Imperial drums yet that were accomplishing that too, at least they were up to that point. He may have put in Hurst Airharts when he went to the Hemi, just can't remember anymore. Ol DW used to say he'd use the brakes late to "settle" the car into the corner, too.
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Of all the places I got to go and races I got to see back then, I saw Detjens just two times. I got to see the Bemco car on what I think was its second outing and he lost the motor. Later, I watched him in what I think, and correct me if wrong, in a Dennis Frings Chassis Camaro. The rest of the time I was catching a story about him in SCR mag. Frankland made and sold some stuff to modify the big Buick aluminum drum brakes and saw lots in use. When they offered the disc set-ups they became far superior to the drum stuff. I always said that If I could figure out how to mount 747 brakes on a Chevelle, I was gonna do it! LOL! Don't know what the plans for next year is but I hope its not these funny looking and odd handling things they race today. I have no interest in those things at all. Might follow the tour if you were to go to Sprints. I would bring Curt back as thats what he started in.
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Lefturns75,Jul 27 2015
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Hey Fabulous, are you the one that keeps slipping the Labatts in our cooler? I didn't think you Frenchys drank anything you didn't stomp on first. How about changing to some Moose Beer, Eh?

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.... Congratulations to Serena on your win


It was HOT in Iowa...so much so that I swore I saw kernels of corn in the adjacent corn field starting to pop.

The hotter the track got , the slicker it seemed to get....so instead of slip, sliding away I decided to fallow Kerry Ingram and Terry Beckham Jr. ....those two put on quite a race for 8th/9th place and had either one of them got out of the groove I would have been right there to take the spot.

Amy raced despite not feeling well...the heat and humidity really has been getting to her being Asthmatic. She refused a relief driver and toughed it out. She will be taking it easy this week and will be behind the wheel for the next race well rested and ready.



I some how missed some commits from over the past weekend (real life happenings had Amy and myself down in Springfield, Mo.)....I thought that the comments are worthy of a response.


Chargincharlie6,Jul 26 2015
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Hey Brian, you have been doing a great job this season, cripes you are well within reach of the championship! fbr  :))) Sometimes just the little progress and consistency wins the day.  You have even won a race.
I will try to get the rules out earlier this year, perhaps even simplify them a little, your idea of a half leaf with a coil, 3 link, 5 link, coil over, all that is going to be ok provided you have roughly 50% of your kits chassis chassis in there, but I think we will be going back to a newer type of car, its seems very popular, like 79 through 99.

But I will say this, and ol Lefty George may blush, and if he says he isn't he's lying,  rr21 , what he told you about correcting loose and tight conditions above, trying one thing at a time so you can go back to your baseline, tire temperatures, etc. said more of practical, understandable value than the last 12 months of articles in Circle Track magazine have, and its a good magazine with a hard working staff. I'd build a good coil spring suspension with short trailing arms in the rear and a center link from the pumpkin to the frame and panhard bar, front steer with a normal sized sway bar, get your moment center and roll center low and practice and adjust one step at a time until its fast, and then try other designs if this isn't getting it done for you, but get a basic design working well first.  Tire temps, as he said, are important too, look to keep an even temp across the hole face of the tire, on each one. Even if you have no expensive testing equipment use your hand to feel.  Especially on the fronts, if its hotter on the outside, adjust your camber, that is tip the top in more using your A frame adjustments, to give yourself more negative camber on the right front, for instance.  Centrifugal force will then push the tire out flat when you turn left so you are using the whole tread pattern more efficiently and not just running on the outside edge. If you look at the pictures of my Dart you'll see a tremendous amount of negative camber in the right front, it was set up that way for a short flat quarter mile we were testing at. We'd probably keep some negative camber there, and maybe a very little positive camber (top tipped out) on the left for a long half mile, but much less, the track does more work to turn the car there than the car has to on a flat track.  But, Like George said, there are just a ton of things, and good old fashioned writing them down and applying a little logic and common sense will get you there every time.  

Everyone here is a good competitor, but George added something that made this whole thing very real, and is true in real life, which is what we are all after here. :))) Thanks for the banter, both of you.

Dave Bayer



Thank you so much for the compliments...I am thrilled to pieces to still be in the top 10 at the half way point of the season...no one imagined that I would be bouncing around in the top 3/ top 5 at this point when the season started back in May. The teams goal was to just stay consistent and make every race.....winning I-70 .....I might as well won the World 100, The Dream or the I.M.C.A Super Nationals as far as I was concerned..... it was huge and it meant a lot for me personally. If I don't win another race this season , I will be very satisfied knowing that I took I-70.

Since it would appear that a lot of new cars are going to be built over the winter, the sooner the better as far as the rules are concerned especially for the teams that have more than one car. Since it looks like the SNRA is going with newer body rules I might be able to re-skin both cars if there is still something left of them at the end of the season. I'd like to get in to something lighter for next year and sure would like to get ahold of one of those new Late Model racing chassis.

The biggest challenge for me has been the race structure its self. Up til now I did not have to worry about required pit stops or running asphalt tracks....I have raced a few Late Model races where there was mandatory pit for everyone at the half way point for fuel. This is a big change from the usual Friday/Saturday night 20-30 lap feature on a dirt track that I have been doing for many years. A lot things are the same, even more are different.

Left Turn George has been great with his "old school" approach for setting up a coil spring rear end and making it work. Amy's car is totally different than mine in that she runs a coil spring set up in the rear due to the smaller area in the rear of the car. We still had to get things figured out with the set up since that Merc. is a whole lot lighter in the rear end than the Nova that George wrenches on so things like the coil springs and control bars are different than the Nova's.
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Hey Brian and Lefty, Well you have nothing to worry about. No modern tour super late models will ever be allowed, and it is going to be 79 to 99 but based on a cup, Busch, Nationwide, Infinity type formula, late model sportsmen for next year. The kits are available, cheap, and this has been popular. Easier to find and build, but not all the 'spensive ridiculous space ship looking stuff out there that are called "super late models" today. Just great, obtainable model late model sportsmen stock cars, what we love.
Lefty, if we do a sprint, midget, modified series again it will be like in the past, a separate season, like the drag cars do in the winter but in the fall, we won't drop full bodied late model or sportsmen cars but might add to them. We had a very good modified series in the fall ending at Bowman Gray for a number of years but I just can't do it all myself anymore particularly with the dissertation starting in the fall. If anyone else wants to, it will almost certainly be fine with me! :))) For the next couple of years though, all I'm going to be able to manage is a big time single late model sportsman series.
Often, individuals will put on a special race or mini series for dirt mods, skeeters, sprints, midgets and etc., and we are all for it, I just can't run it all anymore, for a while anyway.
So, not only are we the only ones offering your "kinda real" racing needs here, we plan on continuing with them in expanding ways in the future, or sooner, if someone can step up to help. I promise we won't get all weird on you though like in the real world. We welcome the most modern of builds on the lobby, anything you want! but I can't see them as the realistic basis for a series where 30 or more or you are going to be participating.
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Chargincharlie6,Jul 26 2015
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...........I will try to get the rules out earlier this year, perhaps even simplify them a little, your idea of a half leaf with a coil, 3 link, 5 link, coil over, all that is going to be ok provided you have roughly 50% of your kits chassis in there, but I think we will be going back to a newer type of car, its seems very popular, like 79 through 99.........

Dave Bayer


chassis defined..... http://www.thefreedictionary.com/chassis

1. (Automotive Engineering)the steel frame,wheels,engine,and mechanical parts of a motor vehicle, to which the body is attached

...SO if I use right at 50% of a kit provided chassis, sans body and tires then I will be well with in the rules as they where/are intended.
The 1979 thru 1999 bodies sounds great....will resin bodies be allowed again in '16? ......Might have to order up a Fairmont body.


Chargincharlie6,Jul 29 2015
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...........it is going to be 79 to 99 but based on a cup, Busch, Nationwide, Infinity type formula, late model sportsmen for next year.  The kits are available, cheap, and this has been popular.  Easier to find and build, but not all the 'spensive ridiculous space ship looking stuff out there that are called "super late models" today. Just great, obtainable model late model sportsmen stock cars, what we love.......
Dave B.  Commissioner and Fellow Racer


Here is where some of the confusion lays on my part.....back in the '80's here in the Mid West (Ill. Ia. Neb. Ks. Mo. etc. etc.) we had the Winston racing series Nascar Dirt Late Models and Busch Sportsmen.... .?. I figured since the SNRA runs both dirt and asphalt :unsure:
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Brian, I am not trying to answer for Dave or anything but I see next year as a two car season. Dirt car/Pavement car. I figure to come up with something that looks something like the NDRA cars did and then use a Revell ASA kit as a starting point for the pavement ride. That would put both cars in the time frame and maybe be legal. One of the ASA T-Bird kits might fit just right for you or you could skin it to your liking.
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.....I actually have some depth on the bench as far as chassis go.....got 2 or 3 ASA T-Bird kits, a IMSA 4 bar coil over chassis from the Rousch Mustang kit and a few Nascar chassis (both front and rear steer)......which direction I head in depends on the body rules with an asphalt only body style throwing a kink in the plans.

I have my doubts that a NDRA body would be legal ...unless it would be say 1979 thru '81ish or the last year or so of the NDRA when they went back to the stock appearing nose pieces and "B" pillar/rear sail panels. The wedge noses and bodies, even with their place in late model dirt racing history, more than likely would not fall within the rules as the SNRA has had in place for the previous seasons.

I want to do something different again next season body wise ;bb; ...whether its two cars again or four cars....again the body rules will dictate the direction.
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