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| Canuck 200 in the Books SNRA #9; Big Guy wins, Big Guy takes 2nd | |
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| Chargincharlie6 | Jul 19 2015, 08:58 PM Post #1 |
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![]() Canuck Win Goes to Hondo with Hometown Boy Desjardins Second! Canuck 200, SNRA Late Model Race #9, Checker Flag International Raceway Park, Windsor, Ontario, Canada 5/8 mile medium banked paved oval. Hometown knowledge paid off, almost all the way to the winners circle fro Mark W9 Desjardins, but in the end, it was big Jim Hondo Mullis who took the checkers under beautiful skys at the first race for the reopened, refurbished Checker Flag International Raceway Park. Feature winner Jim Hondo Mullis Bulldog Carmen started on the pole in his Dart Kit Car and led most the first 67 laps. Amy Girl Conn in her Capri who had had started on Bulldog's bumper after point leader Dave Charlie Bayer failed to start due to a broken timing chain. The Loggins sisters had an on track spat at lap 45 but the rest of the field stayed out. Their days were done but they were fine. The goat parade started with Hondo Mullis's 64 and Marky's 70 who started nose to tail in 9th and 11th and moved swiftly to the top 5. Amy Girl held the lead until the 2nd place Bulldog crashed out of the race while dueling with his teammate Porky Henley on lap 95. The two were also fine but joined Charlie, the Loggins twins and Gordy Miller on the sidelines, the latter the victim of a broken piston ring. Nearly everyone pitted for outside rubber and fuel at this time and Hondo emerged in the lead with Marky second and Amy third at the green on lap 105. Log Loggins who qualified 5th traded paint with her for most of the rest of the race while the two goats did so at the front. The caution flew twice more at lap 150 when Serena Hytla had a flat and she and Kerry Ingram both spun. They continued after taking on new rubber but at the rear of the field and the last caution was on lap 160 when last weeks winner Kevin Sassman, then in 5th, lost a cylinder. Amy Girl had a nice run.Over the last 35 laps it was neck and neck with Marky and Hondo, Marky taking over on lap 180 but bobbling slightly on lap 186 surrendering the spot back to Hondo. While Marky made a last lap dive to the inside at the finish, Hondo held on to win by a car length. Amy Girl held off JLog in another good race for 3rd and Terry Beckham Jr. rounded out the top 5. Also of note, the other resident Canadian, Dannyboy came from 22nd to 12th in a good run and both Kelly boys finished in the top 10, and lil spud Loggins took 7th! The evenings fast time was earned by Bulldog with Gordy just a tick behind in his second straight front row start. Fast Timer Bulldog CarmenQualifying: Bulldog Carmen #4 Gordy Miller # 26 Dave Charlie Bayer #12 Amy Girl Conn #9 Jennifer Loggins #24 Feature Finish 1. Hondo Mullis #2 64 GTO 2. Marky W9 Desjardins #52 70 GTO 3. Amy Girl Conn #9 76 Capri 4. JLog Loggins #24 69 Camaro Z28 5. Terry Beckham Jr. #1 62 Chevy II 6. Trevor Kelly #4T 76 Chevy Laguna 7. Kevin Loggins #60K 67 GTX 8. Wisdonm Mueller #3M 64 Belvedere 9. Carl da Bugman Ross #27 70 Chevelle Deluxe 10. Dylan Kelly #90 70 Chevelle SS 11. Ricky Johnson #49 69 Torino 12. Dannyboy Lynch #61 69 Falcon GT 13. Kevin Wasson #7 65 Fairlane 500 14. Bill Hytla #0 76 Chevy Laguna 15. Lee Spud Loggins #96 77 Camaro 16. Brian Conn #01 70 Mustang Grande -1 lap Tire issues 17. Dr. Kerry Ingram #3 65 Nova - 1 lap Spin 18. Kevin Sassman #4K 67 Nova SS -2 laps Burned piston 19. Serena Hytla #4H 74 Charger -2 laps Flat tire and spin 20. Dave Porky Henley #43 76 Dart Sport -105 Crash 21. Chris Bulldog Carmen #4 76 Dart Sport -105 Crash 22. Canzady Loggins #51 77 Camaro -165 Crash 23. Presley Loggins #29 77 Camaro -165 Crash 24. Gordon MIller #26 67 Chevelle SS -180 Piston ring 25. Dave CC Bayer #12 73 Dart Swinger DNS Broken Timing Chain |
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| Dr Kerry | Jul 19 2015, 10:34 PM Post #2 |
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Knew I should of went with my other set up. Car was loose all day!!!! LOL Congrats Hondo, good run today!!!!!! |
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| IAracefan | Jul 20 2015, 06:53 AM Post #3 |
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Congrats on the win Jim, the goat was flying!
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| carl | Jul 20 2015, 09:21 AM Post #4 |
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good race guys
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| Lefturns75 | Jul 20 2015, 09:45 AM Post #5 |
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Good show there Hondo!!! You took the Maple Smokers Money!!!!! I think all we got out of it was some old Ann Murray records and a Alan Thicke video. I think the crew donated those to Lake Superior on the way back. By the way, does anyone have a points break-down of this gig? I don't remember ever seeing one. Its back to Podunkville for me, I have been called back to the office of Big E. R. I can hardly wait to see what this meeting is like. |
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| Brian Conn | Jul 20 2015, 12:46 PM Post #6 |
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.....the combined points of Curt Bennecke ,76, and Terry Beckham, Jr. 682 (both in the same car, the #1 Nova) is 758 which would place that car in first place , 12 points ahead of Jim "Hondo" Mullis at 746 .....tell E.R , as a car owner you can't do much better than that. Since points are kept on the driver, in this case, things are a little out of kilter |
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| Lefturns75 | Jul 20 2015, 01:35 PM Post #7 |
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Thanks Brian, I know the points go with the driver and not the car. What I was wondering about is the points breakdown from First to Last in races and are there any bonus points? I don't remember seeing that posted anywhere but then there are days I don't remember what I did the day before. When I tell Big E.R. that I will put all my skills and efforts into a win, he just looks at me and says: "Well, I guess there is a chance you might win something anyway". Gee, what a Guy!!!! |
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| Brian Conn | Jul 20 2015, 04:52 PM Post #8 |
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..Same here... I thought I saw something somewhere but can't remember when or where....I think I know where your going at with figuring points....been awhile since I chased them myself. Perhaps Racing Commissioner Bayer or one of the SNRA officials can answer this one. |
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| Chargincharlie6 | Jul 20 2015, 05:57 PM Post #9 |
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Ok Lefty George and Brian, I think this is what you want to know, The feature winner gets 100 with 5 bonus points. Then it goes down by 2's, 98 for second, 96 for 3rd, 94 for 4th, all the way down how ever many cars we have. The fast timer gets 2 bonus points. This has made for extremely close points races..... and we won't have a chase or playoff, because I think its stupid and I don't have to, though that is JMHO. r:r There are no points for fast dashes when we run them or for most laps lead or a lap lead. The way I write the stories I could do that, but it would be arbitrary as to what came out of my imagination, and to make it by the luck of the draw would just make the process that more complicated more than I could stand much as I like doing this for you guys, and myself! So I think its best not to open that can of worms. Brian is Right George, if there were owner points, von Bechtelshiem would be in the lead, that was the case the week before I won Milwaukee too, I think, but now I've had to take two mulligans in a row after qualifying 2nd and 3rd, not happy, but I told you I don't often have good luck. Me and Lafontaine are working overtime now. Also, Beckham has pulled ahead of a car or two in points that haven't missed a race, which is the first time that ever happened and quite an accomplishment I think. ![]() Anything else, I'm happy to oblige. Dave B. SNRA Commissioner and Fellow Racer |
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| Lefturns75 | Jul 20 2015, 06:56 PM Post #10 |
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Shucks, I just wanted to know how the points were spread out. I'll put the lid back on this jar and put it back on the shelf. |
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| Hondo | Jul 20 2015, 08:03 PM Post #11 |
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Pontiac........ "The Ultimate Driving Machine" (Think that was the slogan) Great job Mark. 1-2 finish and 1-2 the points Looks good.Who'd a thunk it Season's not half over, a lot can change.
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| Chargincharlie6 | Jul 20 2015, 08:14 PM Post #12 |
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Thanks Hondo and oongrats to you and Marky. GREAT season so far! Lefty George, its no problem, you know how lawyers like to talk and psychologists like to be thorough! Ok, here's the compressed story. 100 to win and 2 points down for each position thereafter. 5 Bonus to win, 2 Bonus for fast time. That's it. Is that more what you wanted .Your pal the commish. PS Lafontaine wants me like this next week. maddr So tell Terry to look out. 38 points ahead to third in two weeks made him growl, but then he just forgets and wags his tail again!
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| Lefturns75 | Jul 21 2015, 05:17 PM Post #13 |
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If you want Terry to look out for you, he said he would check the mirror once in a while. I wanted to stuff him in the Chevelle but with HIS racing, racing the Nova for us and our Go-Kart funning there just isn't much time for the 2nd car to get finished. Gotta work over the Nova today and tonight, Go Kart race Wed. night, Terry races Thurs night, E.R. is sponsoring a Kart race Friday night and I must attend and then the next SNRA special. Looooooonnngggggg week for me. As far as points, just send us the CHECKS. Cant eat points. We have always made more $$$ chasing races instead of points. Champion is nice but ALL BILLS PAID and money in your pocket is good racing. |
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| Brian Conn | Jul 22 2015, 10:51 PM Post #14 |
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Congradulations to Jim "Hondo" Mullis on your big win!! .....Some times it's more fun as a driver/owner to sit back and watch someone else have a good run at a race...in this case I got to see Amy have a real good qualifying race and an excellent finish in the feature. She said after the qualifying race that the car was running and handling the best that it has this season. She wasn't quite sure where she had finished, but it didn't take long to get things sorted out and figured out that she had pulled a 3rd place finish. Amy's is the first coil spring car that I have built and its taken us this long to get things figured out. The rear frame section is a copy of the #1 Chevy Nova driven by Terry Beckham Jr. and it seems to be a hot set up on these asphalt tracks....Left Turn George has plenty of experience with these rear coil spring set ups and pointed me in the right direction. I tried running some offset Aluminum wheels off of the Late Model on my car and needless to say it failed. While the car was up in the air on jack stands everything looked good, but on the track, at speed, the front tires where making contact with the frame since it is a different style than the Late Model's and it caused the inner side wall to get tore up. The crew tried to find some tire/wheel combos that would work, but almost everything that I brought was on those offset wheels....I basically ran a mismatched tire/wheel combo through out the race.....lesson learned. |
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ON THE WORK BENCH.... Starsky & Hutch Ford Gran Torino (Season 2) Hosted on FotkiFOR THE 2018 RACING SEASON 1978 Mustang II Hatchback dirt Late Model | |
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| Lefturns75 | Jul 23 2015, 08:59 AM Post #15 |
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Brian, the wheels on the nova are off-set more on the right than the left, Thats just a small step in gaining left side %. Keep notes on your rear springs and shocks. If it wants to "Come around" Stiffen the front or soften the rear. If it wants to push, go the other way. Also, check where your Panhard rod crosses the centerline of the rear. Sometimes if you are a little loose, lowering the bar will help a little and will load the right rear a little more in the turns. If you haven't so far, keep a record of your tire temps after EVERY run including hot laps. Those can tell you lots about what your beast is doing. There are about 100 thousand different combinations and over a million set-ups on a stocker so just change one thing at a time and always be able to go back to where you started if it don't work. Since you run a lot of leaf spring stuff, have you ever thought about a half-leaf-coil spring on the right and a full leaf on the left? We have run that set-up before on dirt and had very good success. So far, you and Amy have done well, Hope you have good luck the rest of the season. We are still trying----maybe dumb luck will win out at some point. |
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| supergluek5 | Jul 23 2015, 01:52 PM Post #16 |
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Since the drivers for Pulley Enterprises decided to take each other out last week, the crews back at the shop have been working basically around the clock to get both cars ready for this weeks event. Both cars needed to be put on the frame jig and straightened and a lot of suspension parts needed to be replaced let alone new body panels. CEO Leadfoot said the cars just needed the final going over and loaded on the trailers. Supergluek5 Mike |
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| Lefturns75 | Jul 23 2015, 06:28 PM Post #17 |
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Hey guys, for you that have never been to Hawkeye Downs, the exit of turn two is kinda nasty. If you miss that exit, you end up on the railroad tracks on the other side of the wall. I am in hopes they fixed that since the last time I was there. The rest of the place kinda reminds me of the Springfield Fairgrounds and we always had pretty good luck there. Good luck everyone and watch turn two!!!! |
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| Hondo | Jul 23 2015, 07:24 PM Post #18 |
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Thanks for the congrats, everyone Got some new tires on the hauler this week. Long way to Oregon after Iowa. Then down to Cali and back. The wife wants me to "bring back some Iowa corn." I told her the best bet would be to get it at the K-Roger store because after I haul it 2/3 the way around the US of A , it'll be mush......... r:r Thanks for the tip for this weekend, Lefty !! See y'all soon. |
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| Brian Conn | Jul 23 2015, 10:22 PM Post #19 |
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...The tire side wall was coming in contact with the top of the spindle....I run the Ford rear steer type spindle...I suppose I could keep looking for a different style of Ford rear steer spindle ,but, it seems that all that is out there that is different is the front steer G.M style of spindle....for me right now it would just be easier to use what was working before instead of trying to reinvent the wheel ....besides I only gained about an 1 1/2" to 1 3/4" offset with a little less unsprung weight which with the correct front stub would have been great. The rear end set up in the Mustang is pretty simple....Chrysler style mutileaf springs, Left shock directly behind the axle, Right shock directly ahead of the axle....thought about using something to prevent rear axle wrap up, but I haven't noticed any rear axle hop yet...so until it becomes an issue I am going to leave it alone....I think that the Dana rear end is heavy enough to keep things planted, perhaps...maybe...who knows? I put a new panhard mounting bracket on Amy's Merc. to give a wider range of mounting choices which seems to have done the trick...so far. Amy's crew is real good about taking notes on everything where as I try and keep everything in my head which gets me more confused as time marches on. I have considered doing the half-leaf-coil spring on the right and a full leaf on the left set up ,just not with the Mustang and not this season. I'll take a good look at the rules for 2016 and if its legal I'll give it a strong consideration. Since this is my rookie (cough, cough) season with the SNRA I didn't want to get too elaborate with the chassis and set up due to the learning curve. I'd like to build a lighter car for next season....if we can get rules out a little bit sooner, like in Oct. I should have plenty of time to get a car built for next season. |
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ON THE WORK BENCH.... Starsky & Hutch Ford Gran Torino (Season 2) Hosted on FotkiFOR THE 2018 RACING SEASON 1978 Mustang II Hatchback dirt Late Model | |
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| Chargincharlie6 | Jul 26 2015, 08:57 PM Post #20 |
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Hey Brian, you have been doing a great job this season, cripes you are well within reach of the championship! Sometimes just the little progress and consistency wins the day. You have even won a race.I will try to get the rules out earlier this year, perhaps even simplify them a little, your idea of a half leaf with a coil, 3 link, 5 link, coil over, all that is going to be ok provided you have roughly 50% of your kits chassis chassis in there, but I think we will be going back to a newer type of car, its seems very popular, like 79 through 99. But I will say this, and ol Lefty George may blush, and if he says he isn't he's lying, , what he told you about correcting loose and tight conditions above, trying one thing at a time so you can go back to your baseline, tire temperatures, etc. said more of practical, understandable value than the last 12 months of articles in Circle Track magazine have, and its a good magazine with a hard working staff. I'd build a good coil spring suspension with short trailing arms in the rear and a center link from the pumpkin to the frame and panhard bar, front steer with a normal sized sway bar, get your moment center and center low and practice and adjust one step at a time until its fast, and then try other designs if this isn't getting it done for you, but get a basic design working well first. Tire temps, as he said, are important too, look to keep an even temp across the hole face of the tire, on each one. Even if you have no expensive testing equipment use your hand to feel. Especially on the fronts, if its hotter on the outside, adjust your camber, that is tip the top in more using your A frame adjustments, to give yourself more negative camber on the right front, for instance. Centrifugal force will then push the tire out flat when you turn left so you are using the whole tread pattern more efficiently and not just running on the outside edge. If you look at the pictures of my Dart you'll see a tremendous amount of negative camber in the right front, it was set up that way for a short flat quarter mile we were testing at. We'd probably keep some negative camber there, and maybe a very little positive camber (top tipped out) on the left for a long half mile, but much less, the track does more work to turn the car there than the car has to on a flat track. But, Like George said, there are just a ton of things, and good old fashioned writing them down and applying a little logic and common sense will get you there every time. Everyone here is a good competitor, but George added something that made this whole thing very real, and is true in real life, which is what we are all after here. Thanks for the banter, both of you.Dave Bayer |
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| mrchevyblack | Jul 27 2015, 04:02 PM Post #21 |
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Bravo hondo for your win! Bravo mon ami !
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much as I like doing this for you guys, and myself! 
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, it'll be mush......... r:r
....besides I only gained about an 1 1/2" to 1 3/4" offset with a little less unsprung weight which with the correct front stub would have been great.
I should have plenty of time to get a car built for next season.
center low and practice and adjust one step at a time until its fast, and then try other designs if this isn't getting it done for you, but get a basic design working well first. Tire temps, as he said, are important too, look to keep an even temp across the hole face of the tire, on each one. Even if you have no expensive testing equipment use your hand to feel. Especially on the fronts, if its hotter on the outside, adjust your camber, that is tip the top in more using your A frame adjustments, to give yourself more negative camber on the right front, for instance. Centrifugal force will then push the tire out flat when you turn left so you are using the whole tread pattern more efficiently and not just running on the outside edge. If you look at the pictures of my Dart you'll see a tremendous amount of negative camber in the right front, it was set up that way for a short flat quarter mile we were testing at. We'd probably keep some negative camber there, and maybe a very little positive camber (top tipped out) on the left for a long half mile, but much less, the track does more work to turn the car there than the car has to on a flat track. But, Like George said, there are just a ton of things, and good old fashioned writing them down and applying a little logic and common sense will get you there every time.
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