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Barack Obama
Topic Started: Oct 12 2007, 10:44 PM (899 Views)
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I understand there's some people here who are hard-core Republicans, well... He's what Barack Obama has to say. After reading much about him, I took a look into what he really has to say. It's pretty interesting, and the media hasn't distorted him yet (besides Fox News).

http://www.barackobama.com/2007/10/12/lessons_from_iraq.php
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Oct 12 2007, 10:44 PM
It's pretty interesting, and the media hasn't distorted him yet (besides Fox News).

For those who are uneducated on this topic, Fox News is the only TV media which does NOT disstort the news.
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Jason McNelson
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Ninva
Oct 12 2007, 10:44 PM
It's pretty interesting, and the media hasn't distorted him yet (besides Fox News).

For those who are uneducated on this topic, Fox News is the only TV media which does NOT disstort the news.

Oh yes it does. Have you seen some of the stuff it shows? xD Wow, I laugh sometimes. Hackers on steriods, Barack doesn't wear his American pin when he takes off his coat, etc. They have no evidence on their side. Some of the things they may say can be true, but they distort the evidence so much it's obvious on what they're talking about could as easily be gossip.
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Oct 13 2007, 09:23 AM
Jason McNelson
Oct 13 2007, 08:57 AM
Ninva
Oct 12 2007, 10:44 PM
It's pretty interesting, and the media hasn't distorted him yet (besides Fox News).

For those who are uneducated on this topic, Fox News is the only TV media which does NOT distort the news.

Oh yes it does. Have you seen some of the stuff it shows? xD Wow, I laugh sometimes. Hackers on steriods, Barack doesn't wear his American pin when he takes off his coat, etc. They have no evidence on their side. Some of the things they may say can be true, but they distort the evidence so much it's obvious on what they're talking about could as easily be gossip.

Ah, my poor friend, you've been polluted by a liberal minded media. Try listening to Sean or Rush. They'll cure you in a few weeks.

As for Barack Obama, he has no idea how to run the country. Look at his ridiculous health care plan.

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Fox isnt the best news in the world, I have seen them make fun of things that you shouldnt really make fun of. We all know that Fox 31 is excellent though >.>.

Well...I personally am leaning towards John Edwards myself...but I do not know much about him. Politics are evil. I just dont want any president limiting any rights that we should have, I know, I am liberal (as far as I know) and we just need to make things better. Like getting out of Iraq and all that.
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Oct 13 2007, 11:21 AM
Like getting out of Iraq and all that.

Uh, why?

We are winning. The majority of Iraq is at peace. The majority of the people want us there. Basically all the soldiers want to stay and finish the job. Why retreat? It's bad for our spirt. It's bad for the stability of the region. And most important, it invites more terroist attacks on the US.

The above statements are backed up/shared by a number of people. The best reference I can think of is autobiography written by a general who was in command for a period of time at Centcom.
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Jason McNelson
Oct 13 2007, 10:59 AM
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Oct 13 2007, 09:23 AM
Jason McNelson
Oct 13 2007, 08:57 AM
Ninva
Oct 12 2007, 10:44 PM
It's pretty interesting, and the media hasn't distorted him yet (besides Fox News).

For those who are uneducated on this topic, Fox News is the only TV media which does NOT distort the news.

Oh yes it does. Have you seen some of the stuff it shows? xD Wow, I laugh sometimes. Hackers on steriods, Barack doesn't wear his American pin when he takes off his coat, etc. They have no evidence on their side. Some of the things they may say can be true, but they distort the evidence so much it's obvious on what they're talking about could as easily be gossip.

Ah, my poor friend, you've been polluted by a liberal minded media. Try listening to Sean or Rush. They'll cure you in a few weeks.

As for Barack Obama, he has no idea how to run the country. Look at his ridiculous health care plan.

NEWSWEEK is what I trust.

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And most important, it invites more terroist attacks on the US.

Very true, and I'd like to bring up that Bush may be one of the greatest presidents in the next 30 years, but then if we pull out and end up having political unrest due to the war... then he'd be our worse.
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Listen Jacob...we have different political ideas. Alright? I have nothing against Bush, but uh...war just isnt helping anything. I am not anti-america, but honestly, I dont want to fight for the cause and risk killing innocent people. Not everyone is a terrorist, I hope you and everyone else knows this.

I can see myself protesting in the future except not really >.>. I am unpatriotic because...I dont have to be and I like life without politics and politicians taking away every right we should get. Free country? Of course it isnt. Americans are idiots.
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Oct 13 2007, 10:42 PM
and I like life without politics and politicians taking away every right we should get.

And I like life with out guns and violence. But it's there. And there are evil people in the world. Pretending they don't exist and avoid it/them does not make it/them go away.

I respect your beliefs but this topic is so important I cannot remain silent. Our tomorrows, and those of our children, are built or destroyed today.
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So anyone democratic is evil as well? :?
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It is really a matter of opinion...I do not believe war will solve anything, you believe we must destroy the "evil" middle easterner's. Americans just have a bad reaction to everything. I honestly dont care that they attacked a few of our buildings, if we attack back, we are asking for destruction. We are asking for bombs.
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Because such evil exists doesn't mean we have to use evil tactics toward them.
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Oct 14 2007, 11:56 AM
you believe we must destroy the "evil" middle easterner's. I honestly dont care that they attacked a few of our buildings, if we attack back, we are asking for destruction. We are asking for bombs.

First of all, I do not belive we need to destroy middle easterners. We do need to combat some of the islama-facist groups there. Many middle easterners have denounced these groups and want them eliminated. Unfortunately, numerous others view them as holly warriors. Over time though, through cooperation and constantly combating these radical groups, we can help provide peace and security in the area.


Secondly, that scares me that you can say that you really didn't care that we were attack on 911. I just can't believe you said that. That just scares the heck out of me. Thousands of people died. You can't even begin to understand the loss in lossing a family member or friend in an attack like that unless you've experience that.


At Shawn: There we go again. Their are problems some where in the world so we just say, "oh, we should just ignore it." That's neglectful and dangerous to our nation. Also, since when is protecting one's country evil. Do you condem our countries acts in WWII? I don't.
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you believe we must destroy the "evil" middle easterner's.  I honestly dont care that they attacked a few of our buildings, if we attack back, we are asking for destruction. We are asking for bombs.

Secondly, that scares me that you can say that you really didn't care that we were attack on 911. I just can't believe you said that. That just scares the heck out of me. Thousands of people died. You can't even begin to understand the loss in lossing a family member or friend in an attack like that unless you've experience that.

I wasnt affected by it...so, I didnt care so much. I didnt know what to think when the Pentagon and World Trade Center was hit. People die, you just have to deal with it, I am not into sympathy or empathy because I havent experienced the feeling myself.

I am not against America, but really...we cause too many problems.

Why should you be scared? I am just me, I have my own thoughts, I dont need to be a mind-controlled patriotic freak who conforms and wishes to rid the world of everything against America. Sometimes...others just need to take us down, it can get that bad.
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First of all, patriotism does not only mean that you want your country to take over/control the world and/or be the most powerful. A patriot is someone who loves his country, and a person who gives true love is not just intrested in the success of the thing/person/etc. He's worried about the physical, mental, and spiritual health as well.

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I wasnt affected by it...so, I didnt care so much. I didnt know what to think when the Pentagon and World Trade Center was hit. People die, you just have to deal with it, I am not into sympathy or empathy because I havent experienced the feeling myself.


If the next attack kills your friends and family, would your opinion change? I doubt that it would not, and if it would, I do not see how you can maintain your same position now.

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Because such evil exists doesn't mean we have to use evil tactics toward them.


War is bad. No one should want it. However, is war evil? I believe not. War can be unfortunately necessary. For all those who believe in the Bible and are very familiar with it, you should know that God told the Isrealites to go to war and to attack other nations many times.

Anyways, back to the main topic, I didn't read Mr. Obama's entire speach, but I did read a very large portion. A large part of what he was saying was based on the fact that the war is a disaster and that we are losing. One problem though, we aren't losing. Look at General Petraeus's report. However, I don't believe some of these people want us to win this war, because after the General's report, they called him a traitor to this nation and other things. They called a GENERAL that! A general who has served this country for years!

I heard a sound clip from a Democratic. This doesn't mean that all Democrats are this way. I don't know if he was a congressman or a senator. I can't remember; however, he was, I believe, a prominent member of the Democratic Party. He basically stated that if America would win the war in Iraq/get news that America is winning, it would be a big problem for his party. That means, to me, that he saying he doesn't want us to win. Now, there's a difference between opposing a war and wanting to lose. Once your in a war, you just can't DECIDE to stop. You can't call "time out." You are in for the long haul.

The "no turning back" point was the point when we went into Iraq; after that, we had to go through with it. When Congress decided to go to war in WWII, we were in for the long haul. You couldn't have just said half way through the war, "Oh, we're tired of this. Let's stop here." and expect to win. If we give up now, we lose, just as we would have then.

Anyways, these are my views on some of these topics. I hope I didn't tire your eyes out.
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