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Topic Started: Nov 19 2004, 09:46 AM (2,540 Views)
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Are you guys gonna come back to CP? We miss you there. It isn't the same without you all. :mellow:
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bye bye pussy city
no shit it isn't the same.

that's really the point isn't it?

isn't that what CP wants?
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bye bye pussy city
i appreciate your coming over here rtb

there's no way I feel welcome at CP right now

i'm trying to work things out with julie

so we'll see how that goes

i don't have a lot of hope for it though
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It's hard to formulate any sort of belief as to thinking that the 5 million people who are perpetuating half truths and posting things against us in those threads over there right now... actually want us back over there.

The issue is between Elise and myself, and Ken and Julie... and Elise is working some things out right now and I want to let her do that before I jump into anything.

Why multiple pages of people pigpiling on top of OS and myself (and our friends) is seen as good... well, I don't understand. Trin respectfully asked that people not involved stay not involved. Obviously, this has not happened.
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Can i say this semi-respectfully without being flamed at CP?

We'll see. Why are we labled shit stirrers when we kept our comments amongst ourselves and then HON and Trin searched the bored thread looking for any little evidence that we might be doing something wrong. Honestly, i dare them to find one shred of hate speech since we were asked not to post it. Yeah yeah, a sly remark here, a snide comment there... whatever... people may or may not notice this, but i'll make fun of any situation...

Who'se the shit stirrer? the guys that keep their whining to themselves, or the guy that posts a new thread about a minor incident and brings up mass amounts of flame war yet again... and notice... this time, we didn't even bother to defend ourselves... you know why?

because we're "living in fear." Not of Julie, Not of "not being able to post 'Kill Ethnicity,'" we're living in fear of getting our asses handed to us for doing nothing hugely wrong. The "Kill Christians" post was more of a commentary on ourselves than a mockery of self-moderation.

Note that we HAVE been self moderating over there... there has not been one "deviant" or racist comment at all. not fucking one... and yet we're still labeled as racist shit stirring CP haters. In all honesty, i'm not sure I'm ready to go back at this minute, at least not in any real sense.. i've kind of been somewhat of a moderator, cause i hate to see shit like this go down...

why go back just to get flamed again?
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LetThemEatcake,Nov 19 2004
11:16 AM
Can i say this semi-respectfully without being flamed at CP?

We'll see. Why are we labled shit stirrers when we kept our comments amongst ourselves and then HON and Trin searched the bored thread looking for any little evidence that we might be doing something wrong. Honestly, i dare them to find one shred of hate speech since we were asked not to post it. Yeah yeah, a sly remark here, a snide comment there... whatever... people may or may not notice this, but i'll make fun of any situation...

Who'se the shit stirrer? the guys that keep their whining to themselves, or the guy that posts a new thread about a minor incident and brings up mass amounts of flame war yet again... and notice... this time, we didn't even bother to defend ourselves... you know why?

because we're "living in fear." Not of Julie, Not of "not being able to post 'Kill Ethnicity,'" we're living in fear of getting our asses handed to us for doing nothing hugely wrong. The "Kill Christians" post was more of a commentary on ourselves than a mockery of self-moderation.

Note that we HAVE been self moderating over there... there has not been one "deviant" or racist comment at all. not fucking one... and yet we're still labeled as racist shit stirring CP haters. In all honesty, i'm not sure I'm ready to go back at this minute, at least not in any real sense.. i've kind of been somewhat of a moderator, cause i hate to see shit like this go down...

why go back just to get flamed again?

I was thinking about your situation with Adveser this morning.

I know people were upset with you for posting some distaste about Adveser in the bored thread. Fact is, I think it's in your right to do it. First off, you weren't just hiding in the bored thread and making fun of Adveser. You were in the thread arguing with him "like a man" or whatever, and defending your point of view. You deserve credit for that. As for what you were posting in the bored thread? It's commentary among friends. Unless those who are making accusations against you have NEVER bitched a little bit to their good friends about things that were upsetting them a bit... I don't see where they have a right to be mad at you.

What's the funniest of the whole thing is that in the end you will STILL back up Adveser's right to say what he did about Christians!

If people weren't so busy policing the bored thread trying to find us at fault, they might actually see that ... gasp ... we've been self-moderating and refraining from posting the things that were deemed to be disallowed!

I had a conversation with Ken shortly after the bored thread was re-opened with moderation... I told him I was in fear of the bored thread still being policed by those who dislike the BM/D5... and he said that he was confident people would see that there were mods and that we wouldn't be subject to martial law. Not that it's Ken's fault at all since he can't control that... but... he was wrong, and that's sad :(
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open secret,Nov 19 2004
11:51 AM
no shit it isn't the same.

that's really the point isn't it?

isn't that what CP wants?

It's definitely not what I want. I think it's great the CP has grown and that so many people have joined us. However, I liken what's happened to what's happened in many neighborhoods around the country. Different people move in and the neighborhood changes to the point where you don't feel like it's the same place that you moved into years ago. It's not the same neighborhood that you helped shape.
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bye bye pussy city
rtb you're missing a big piece here

last night julie pounded me for the KILL JEWS issue

when I posted the night before, CLEARLY, that that was NO LONGER THE ISSUE AND I RESPECTED HER WISHES ON THAT.

pounded me and whipped up the crowd too.

why.


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calm down............. everybody......... deep breath.............
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Bottom line, this whole thing sucks. As Jay said, it blows to see people we like and consider our friends fighting with each other. How did things fall so far so fast after RushCon? That night on the roof at the Drake was one of, if not the best, memories I have of my time in this community. I wish we could all go back there.
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bye bye pussy city
if it's not what you want

maybe you should start your own board ;)

and maybe we'll come over there ;)

the majority of posters over at CP would rather participate in drama than THINK

i don't want to hang out with people like that.
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bye bye pussy city
hey i'm cool zo. :)
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open secret,Nov 19 2004
12:47 PM
if it's not what you want

maybe you should start your own board ;)

and maybe we'll come over there ;)

the majority of posters over at CP would rather participate in drama than THINK

i don't want to hang out with people like that.

I just want everyone to be able to coexist peacefully again. But the dynamic of the board has changed so much I'm not sure what to do to make that happen.
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On another note... Still no word from BC?
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nope, i'm starting to get worried... anybody have his phone number?
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No I'm not
LetThemEatcake,Nov 19 2004
08:16 AM
Can i say this semi-respectfully without being flamed at CP?

We'll see. Why are we labled shit stirrers when we kept our comments amongst ourselves and then HON and Trin searched the bored thread looking for any little evidence that we might be doing something wrong. Honestly, i dare them to find one shred of hate speech since we were asked not to post it. Yeah yeah, a sly remark here, a snide comment there... whatever... people may or may not notice this, but i'll make fun of any situation...

Who'se the shit stirrer? the guys that keep their whining to themselves, or the guy that posts a new thread about a minor incident and brings up mass amounts of flame war yet again... and notice... this time, we didn't even bother to defend ourselves... you know why?

because we're "living in fear." Not of Julie, Not of "not being able to post 'Kill Ethnicity,'" we're living in fear of getting our asses handed to us for doing nothing hugely wrong. The "Kill Christians" post was more of a commentary on ourselves than a mockery of self-moderation.

Note that we HAVE been self moderating over there... there has not been one "deviant" or racist comment at all. not fucking one... and yet we're still labeled as racist shit stirring CP haters. In all honesty, i'm not sure I'm ready to go back at this minute, at least not in any real sense.. i've kind of been somewhat of a moderator, cause i hate to see shit like this go down...

why go back just to get flamed again?

good points

We have been "self-moderating", and, yes, maybe having fun with that phrase too. But aren't we there to have "fun"?. Obviously some people think that's a bad thing and it means were perpetuating this entire situation by having sigs basically echoing our member titles. We do not live in fear of K & J, but of the "masses" who seem to know what 's right for all and rally everyone else for that cause.
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LetThemEatcake,Nov 19 2004
12:00 PM
nope, i'm starting to get worried... anybody have his phone number?

Actually, I just remembered something...I was on AIM with bc about a week ago, and he mentioned something about how he wasn't gonna be around on Sunday and/or the days after to make changes to Weewa. I didn't think to ask him why, though...I'm sure he's ok.
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Lerma,Nov 19 2004
01:29 PM
LetThemEatcake,Nov 19 2004
12:00 PM
nope, i'm starting to get worried... anybody have his phone number?

Actually, I just remembered something...I was on AIM with bc about a week ago, and he mentioned something about how he wasn't gonna be around on Sunday and/or the days after to make changes to Weewa. I didn't think to ask him why, though...I'm sure he's ok.

ok, that's good. I'm hoping he'll be around by the end of the weekend.
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funky cm,Nov 19 2004
01:23 PM
We do not live in fear of K & J, but of the "masses" who seem to know what 's right for all and rally everyone else for that cause.

This may be true, and in fact I couldn't deny that it probably is true for some people. However, for clarification, the "fear" that OS mentioned in her first post on CP about this was something only partially related, and something dealing with me - an issue that will be dealt with in time. This issue is one that is, for the most part, largely unrelated to what is going on at CP right now.
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bye bye pussy city
After what happened yesterday, I don't blame any thinking person for being in fear of Julie.
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No I'm not
I don't fear Julie. I pretty much haven't had any interaction with her at all. I fear people like Chas and HoN who have a pre-set opinion of me and are willing to shove that opinion down everyone's throats yet they know absolutley nothing about me.
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bye bye pussy city
hey rtb

just to clarify

i am open to discussing the issues

i am no longer open to shouting and bullshit like that

i hope we'd all like to be together again

IMO

the denizens of the bored thread essentially want to be left alone

we don't need to be scrutinized any more than any other CPer

and yeah we say some outrageous things

that was never a problem before

but the way I see it

we're no more outrageous in our way than certain other CPers who can't quit talking about sex

or have blatantly sexual avatars

other people on CP rant

all of a sudden we're not allowed to rant or process in TBT

and finally

if the issue with Zo really is NOT that he posted CP = TN

then why hasn't he gotten his D5 back yet
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I can totally agree with every point that you made OS. There is definitely a "do as I say not as I do" mentality coming from certain people. That double standard shit ain't gonna play.

I'm willing to do whatever it takes to help get people back together to discuss the issues in a constructive manner and eventually, with time, get this community back to where it was a few short months ago. Maybe we need a CPCon.
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hey rtb, thanks for your recent support in that thread... we need all the friends we can get
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Just calling them as I see them Cake. I think you've all got a lot of friends at CP. I bet even those you're at odds with still consider you all friends. This little bump in the road can't change that.
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I know much work is still to be done....

...but I do miss you guys.


Or, more to the point, I miss the sense of community that once was.

If I were to name the folks I really really enjoy "seeing" the most at CP, half of them are here, and half of them are still there.

Yet I am hopeful that things can be resolved. I will not pretend to know enough about the situation(s) at hand to offer specific comments, but you are all a bright and cool bunch, and I hope this all will end up being "growing pains" that ultimately make our community stronger.

Here's to unity!!!

Give peas a chance :wub:
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Well said PM&S.
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Thanks both of you, I think you're being a lot more level headed than a lot of people and I really, really do appreciate it.

I have to say that real life has kept me busy (and will continue to keep me busy) this weekend so I'm not sure how much time I'll have to try and keep up on things on CP , etc... just a fair warning for everyone.
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When are you guys going to upgrade this place to the latest Invision release? :wacko:
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you know, i've gotten to the point where i don't know what they want

they want us to stop posting racially insensitive remarks... done... that was done a month ago

they want us to stop "stirring the shit" well then they need to stop stirring it themselves

They want an apology from zo about the kill jews remark... well they got one... it's in the bored crisis thread...



but if they want us to bend over and take it up the ass for something that was supposed to be over a month ago, without our complaints... it's not going to happen... cause that's bullshit

it seems to me that some of them want us to be gone and not come back, and yet those same ones still come over here to dig up yet more evidence against us, and others want us back, but only if we'll submit ourselves to verbal lashings without a defense

so i submit to those of you that are still angry with us... What the Hell do you want us to do?

how can we fix this? or do you just want us gone for good?

What can we do that we haven't already done?
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We feel like we've been stabbed in the back. I'm not blaming anybody. I'm just saying that we feel that people we trusted have taken that trust, and turned it against us.

What do you all suggest as a solution to end this issue? Not saying that to be confrontational. Just asking for suggestions.
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ok.. a fair comprimise as I see it..

put a warning on the bored thread "material you may find offensive in here, enter at your own risk"... something of that nature

obviously, you've already given zo back Bored Mafia, and removed the D5... while that's not our favorite thing... whatever, we can deal

ask trin, HON, and whoever else to let it drop... we'll make a thread, written within the next 24 hours, appologizing for offending people.

they should do the same

anybody that has threatened violence should be given a brief "whiny bitch"like slap on the wrist

allow for the fact that we're still a little pissed, and if we say something snotty in the bored thread, no offense, but deal with it.

ask very nicely for people not to police our actions unless they've been given the right by you to do so.
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LetThemEatCake,Nov 22 2004
08:55 PM
anybody that has threatened violence should be given a brief "whiny bitch"like slap on the wrist

Who's threatened violence?
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LetThemEatCake,Nov 22 2004
08:55 PM
ask very nicely for people not to police our actions unless they've been given the right by you to do so.

This is a problem. Agreed.
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Draconator,Nov 22 2004
03:59 PM
LetThemEatCake,Nov 22 2004
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anybody that has threatened violence should be given a brief "whiny bitch"like slap on the wrist

Who's threatened violence?

Brutal Truth

and not only did he threaten it, when called on it, he maintained his statement as if it were the right solution...
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LetThemEatCake,Nov 22 2004
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LetThemEatCake,Nov 22 2004
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anybody that has threatened violence should be given a brief "whiny bitch"like slap on the wrist

Who's threatened violence?

Brutal Truth

and not only did he threaten it, when called on it, he maintained his statement as if it were the right solution...

I'll have to look into that. If someone can PM me a link on that other board, that would help.
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"That other board".

We don't even need to mention our name anymore! We've made the big time!!! :thumbsup:
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Draconator,Nov 22 2004
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LetThemEatCake,Nov 22 2004
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Draconator,Nov 22 2004
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LetThemEatCake,Nov 22 2004
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anybody that has threatened violence should be given a brief "whiny bitch"like slap on the wrist

Who's threatened violence?

Brutal Truth

and not only did he threaten it, when called on it, he maintained his statement as if it were the right solution...

I'll have to look into that. If someone can PM me a link on that other board, that would help.

i'll be glad to
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Draconator,Nov 22 2004
04:05 PM
"That other board".

We don't even need to mention our name anymore! We've made the big time!!! :thumbsup:

:lol:
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Draconator,Nov 22 2004
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LetThemEatCake,Nov 22 2004
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Draconator,Nov 22 2004
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LetThemEatCake,Nov 22 2004
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anybody that has threatened violence should be given a brief "whiny bitch"like slap on the wrist

Who's threatened violence?

Brutal Truth

and not only did he threaten it, when called on it, he maintained his statement as if it were the right solution...

I'll have to look into that. If someone can PM me a link on that other board, that would help.

i'll be glad to

done
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Thanks.
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Draconator,Nov 22 2004
03:51 PM
What do you all suggest as a solution to end this issue? Not saying that to be confrontational. Just asking for suggestions.

I want things to feel like the way CP used to feel to me.

I want to feel I can go back over there and be safe with my friends, not lynched at every available opportunity. CP is a very unfriendly place for me or many of my friends right now and heading back over there is, for me, not something I'm comfortable with. Aside from two accidental bookmark clicks (because it's programmed into my hand to do so!) I haven't been to CP since Thursday.

"Kill Jews" is over. I never want to see it mentioned in a serious manner as an attack towards me or any of my friends ever again. Not a single person honestly cares enough to wish for "the days when we could use racial attacks". Not a single person.

I'm sick of feeling policed. Even at this message board. I don't think HON was just "poking around" when he signed up with an assumed "alter" identity. Thank god for IP traces (and no, no one has been banned).

I'm sick of the hypocricy of the all the people saying how much they hate the bore thread, then crowding into it to police it or mock us. If you don't like it, stay the fuck out. Elise has some real good views on what the bored thread is and how it behaves as a living thing - but that got cut off.

This is just some of what I'm feeling right now and I wanted to share.
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LetThemEatCake,Nov 22 2004
04:15 PM
Draconator,Nov 22 2004
04:05 PM
"That other board". 

We don't even need to mention our name anymore!  We've made the big time!!!  :thumbsup:

:lol:

hah....

funny as it was, the "CP = that other board" filter was messing up links and stuff, so I just went and removed it.
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The Great Zo,Nov 22 2004
09:20 PM
LetThemEatCake,Nov 22 2004
04:15 PM
Draconator,Nov 22 2004
04:05 PM
"That other board". 

We don't even need to mention our name anymore!  We've made the big time!!!  :thumbsup:

:lol:

hah....

funny as it was, the "CP = that other board" filter was messing up links and stuff, so I just went and removed it.

i knew that, but wasn't using them anyways...

.d.o.t.s.
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bye bye pussy city
i want to have peace with julie

i don't know how to get it
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Only problem with Zo is he likes Tampa Bay.

For that he should have been banned years ago.
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Bread is Dust of the stars now?

:huh:
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i think the warning on the bored thread is a really good idea.... julie way back when said that she wouldn't want one of our African American CPeeps going in there and seeing the word "nigger"
i'm not saying we need to use the word nigger, but if you walk into the bored thread expecting to find offensive material in jest... then perhaps you might let something that otherwise would offend you roll off your shoulder
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Draconator,Nov 22 2004
09:28 PM
Bread is Dust of the stars now?

:huh:

no, dude, i'm a million times worse!
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