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Topic Started: Nov 10 2006, 11:49 PM (520 Views)
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Fact is only a collection of opinions and theories generally seen as the "Truth" until someone else discovers something which either contradicts the previous opinion and/or theory supposedly proving it to be "Incorrect"

Fact is what the general public views as the "Truth", something set in stone.

Discuss your opinions on this theory.
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Actually, facts are thing which are true, such as 2+2=4, or 'ice is cold'. It's something that you know is true and upon testing it always get the same result.

A theory is something that is rooted in facts, but does not contain enough of them to be known for certain. They can be disproven later if enough evidence is gathered to show why it is false.
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Nov 10 2006, 11:58 PM
Actually, facts are thing which are true, such as 2+2=4, or 'ice is cold'. It's something that you know is true and upon testing it always get the same result.

A theory is something that is rooted in facts, but does not contain enough of them to be known for certain. They can be disproven later if enough evidence is gathered to show why it is false.

Actually, ice is not cold. It just has an extremely low level of heat. "Cold" is the word we use to describe the feeling of the absence of a significant amount of heat.

Back on topic, though.
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It's colder than the normal temperature of the human body, therefore to a human it would feel cold to the touch.
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But what if the tempeture of the human body was even lower than that of an ice cube?.......does the ice cube would then be hotter to the the human body?
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If that was the case, the water inside said human would freeze, causing death.

Ok, maybe that was a bad example. How about this: Water freezes below 0 degrees Celsius.
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thought it froze at 0ーC, rather than below?
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Not according to Wikipedia. Apparently, 0 is the melting point of ice.
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Facts are nonexistant. there is no one person that can prove that even what we see is real. I an other hand wonder how with all the studies and test to find laws of the working world could you not believe the world is a lie. In the beging of ages humanity would see what it could not explain then explain it by forces unknown. It made sense to the people of the time. then it was disproven when someone found "scientific proof" of why the world is. how do we know fact when our eyes can be decieved when our human reasoning can fail us. for it already has. I believe im am sitting in front of a computer typing. just like an insane man belives he is god. fact and trueth are percetion. our perception that we believe in no matter what a tue fact is. For all i know i can be a mental patient(if that is how you spell it) beliving in this reality, drooling and screaming in an other. The only thing for certain is nothingness emptyness and void. From the very thought of somthing means there is nothing. whether or not there is a reality or not one there is nothing within it. so in the only tueth or fact that could not be, i do not exist and nether dose the world, so what facts are there to begin with?

oh and cold is, by the understanging of the human world, the movment of heat from one space to another space. So the world can never lose energey, it always exists, only moving from here to there, until there is non here or vic versa.
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Fact is only a collection of opinions and theories generally seen as the "Truth" until someone else discovers something which either contradicts the previous opinion and/or theory supposedly proving it to be "Incorrect"

Fact is what the general public views as the "Truth", something set in stone.


Hmm... yess and no.
While some 'facts' may just be a standardized set of opinion... Take Mathmatics, for example. Yes, we say "2+2=4" is a fact... And while it's acknowledged around the world...
In the beginning, it was really just the opinions of a Greek philospher, wasnt it? He tried it, and kept working it to be 'true'. And thus, it caught on, and became 'Fact'.

However... some facts are absolute, and are NOT just commonly believed opinion.
These are usually Scientific Laws and such...
The earth is round. FACT. Not an opinion... the thought that the earth was flat was a common opinion thought to be 'fact' back in the old days.
The earth revolves around the sun. FACT.
Things are pulled to earth by Gravity, FACT.
The freezing point of water in earth's atmosphere is 32 F, or 0 C. FACT.

These are undenyable truths. They cannot be changed... Ever. At least, not without the power of a God. O__o;;;
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My thoughts exactly, Ryo.
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But how do you know we are not like those who believed the world was flat. Our tools that led us to our knowledg, What if there designed just to prove it. There could be a thousand factors we do not even know about. That affect our world. When they are found out everything we believe or "know" to be fact could just been opinion. Unless you know every thing you do not know forsure what fact is, and no human bieng can do that. Like i siad nothing is fact, for there is always the room for doubt.
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Actually, things we believe to be fact wouldn't turn out to be opinions, just fallacies. Opinions can't be wrong, since they're by nature subjective, so they vary person to person.

And no, facts are pretty much things that are proven, that is, upon testing, the result will always be the same. If there's room for error, that's a theory.
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I see what you meen, but i don't think you get what im saying. Well it matters not.
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I know what you mean, but unless we're in some sort of dreamworld, this is existance as is.
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Not exactly dream world, aside from a fake world, we could just simply be mistaken. But I see what you mean. It dose not matter wether or not it is real. Your saying if the rules to the world we live in, fact in this case, is what binds us. Fact is what affects us in a proven, by testing, to be a natrual rule of our world, undenyable.

To me, my dought lies in human reasoning. In not accepting the world as is I seek the trueth. Not my trueth, somone elses, or accepted trueth just the pure objective trueth. I Truely want to know what the tueth is, and facts make the trueth. Facts being the reasoning of others before me, then told to me, by this reasoning it is fact, thus I do not accept it.

Now that i think of it there are facts that exist regarles. When i touch a pan on a stove, that been there along time, the sensation i get from touching it is called hot. It dose not matter what hot is, or if thats what im truely feeling, all that matters is just what i feel is called hot. I think thats what your saying and if so i agree.
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If I'm understanding you right, we shouldn't accept something as fact just because some authority on the subject [like a scientist] tells us it is so, because we have no firsthand experience with it. Something to that effect?
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more or less.
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Descartes took a similar approach, but to a much more aggressive degree. He more or less rejected [through doubt, not strict opposition] any and all ideas if he himself could not provide the evidence required to determine them as fact, subjective or otherwise. He essentially started from scratch. This is called methodological skepticism, and he defines it in his treatise "Discourse on the Method". Through this, he arrived at an initial principle, made famous today as "Dubito ergo Cogito ergo Sum." It translates as "I doubt, therefore I think, therfore I am." From there it can become increasingly complex, but it doesn't relate to the topic enough, so I won't go into it.

Actually, it relates to the topic in every way possible, but I'm too lazy to sit here and type it all out. Read up on Wikipedia for more, in better terms than I could probably present.

Regardless, though, this viewpoint is admirable for its complete independence, but it's not very practical. If you spend your entire life challenging every simple thing, then you'll waste a lot of time on what should be spent exploring ideas which define yourself, a key factor in ultimate "enlightenment" and inner tranquility. If you want to reject ideas, do so, by all means, but do it with reason. If you spend 10 years debating that the sky is blue only to determine that the original standpoint is, in fact, correct, then you have wasted an absurd amount of time with absolutely no progress.
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First off it is a matter of opinion if finding out if a fact is acctually fact is a wast of time. It would make me feel better. Secondly the sky is not blue.
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