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Democracy under threat?
Topic Started: Jun 25 2009, 09:57 AM (123 Views)
Niongor
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Government considering "legal action" against BNP

Now, first thing first, I'm no supporter of the BNP. I lived under apartheid so I have a pretty good idea of what they have potential to do. However, this latest news has the p*ss in my bladder hitting boiling point. :eyebrow:

My mate made on off-hand comment after two BNP members got elected to the European Parliament stating, "Hmph, they'll probably outlaw them now!" *insert laughter*

Now it seems this government, who we already know detests and brushes off all criticism and opposition to its economic and totalitarian social policies, is using sneaky means to attack the political party that, let's be honest, is stealing its voting base.

The simple fact is this: we're a democracy and however extreme and hateful a party or persons are, we must allow them to air those views, and if one or two of them get elected, then we have to accept that is what the people wanted.

But oh no! The almight Labour government didn't want this to happen, therefore it is fundamentally wrong and not one of those Lab-rats in the government has said anything to the effect of, "We have to be willing to put up with that in a democracy".

Instead the message is, "Well...let's outlaw them!" :D "Then the mindless racists who voted BNP will have to vote Labour again, however much we've betrayed them!"

When I think about it, I'm really not surprised... If this government could find a way to outlaw elections and remove all opposition I believe they would do so, as sure as hell is hot :eyebrow:

One last remark: F**KING VILE SCHEMING C**TS!!

...that is all... <_<
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Actually, the article says it's the European Commission taking legal action, not the government.

That doesn't make it any better of course...
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disposablepuppetland,Jun 25 2009
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Actually, the article says it's the European Commission taking legal action, not the government.

That doesn't make it any better of course...

Well...the way things are going, they'll be the government soon enough anyway... <_<

Funny though, how the that same commissiony whatsit is looking to outlaw the BNP yet happily allows that anti-Gypsy Hungarian party... :eyebrow:
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Well in the good ole US of A we have the neo-nazi party but it is illegal to have the communist party
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Fin,Jun 25 2009
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Well in the good ole US of A we have the neo-nazi party but it is illegal to have the communist party

Flip that and there you have the UK soon enough... <_<
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Fin,Jun 25 2009
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Well in the good ole US of A we have the neo-nazi party but it is illegal to have the communist party

Um... since when? :unsure:
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Whereas, in Soviet Russia, the party.... I'll get my coat.
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Niongor,Jun 25 2009
02:57 PM
Instead the message is, "Well...let's outlaw them!" :D  "Then the mindless racists who voted BNP will have to vote Labour again, however much we've betrayed them!"

The truth of the matter is that they just won't vote and the voting population will diminish to inlcude none but the ailing middle class with vested interests precluding [a] democracy. It also incites a Conservatism and vote buying.

Seats will not be won buy merit, but coin, and pocket consituencies and rotten boroughs.

The future will consist of two parties. The one in power and the one not. It'll also mark a move in British politics to a more Americanised model and where media sensastionalisation buys votes rather than sound policies.

Well done. Now return to Mississippi to chew on that corn-grass ogling your sibling just like Huckleberry Finn.
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From what I've heard, the BNP is economically as left as Labour used to be, and they support renewable energy and, oddly enough, Greenpeace. :blink:

Maybe if Labour and the rest of them stopped saying "omg racists!!!!111" and actually looked at other reasons why people vote BNP they may be able to win some votes back.

Not to mention that regards racism many of those European powers were the worst of the lot. As late as 1958 the Belgians had a "native village" on show in Belgium as a zoo exhibit. <_<
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Pez201,Jun 27 2009
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From what I've heard, the BNP is economically as left as Labour used to be, and they support renewable energy and, oddly enough, Greenpeace. :blink:

Maybe if Labour and the rest of them stopped saying "omg racists!!!!111" and actually looked at other reasons why people vote BNP they may be able to win some votes back.

Not to mention that regards racism many of those European powers were the worst of the lot. As late as 1958 the Belgians had a "native village" on show in Belgium as a zoo exhibit. <_<

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Well said! :hail:

I cringe everytime somebody labels the BNP "far-right" considering their economic policies would make Mao say "Hmmm..."

I think it's just easier for the BBC and other such organisations to invoke the memory of Hitler in order to undermine the BNP.

I've said for many a year now that the way you beat the BNP isn't to ignore them or call them names that belong in the school yards of old, but confront them on their policies and issues and the holes and flaws will reveal themselves.

However, we're being reasonable in our thoughts, something the current British government have shown they are incapable of.
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Niongor,Jun 27 2009
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Pez201,Jun 27 2009
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From what I've heard, the BNP is economically as left as Labour used to be, and they support renewable energy and, oddly enough, Greenpeace. :blink:

Maybe if Labour and the rest of them stopped saying "omg racists!!!!111" and actually looked at other reasons why people vote BNP they may be able to win some votes back.

Not to mention that regards racism many of those European powers were the worst of the lot. As late as 1958 the Belgians had a "native village" on show in Belgium as a zoo exhibit. <_<

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Thanks. :P

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I think it's just easier for the BBC and other such organisations to invoke the memory of Hitler in order to undermine the BNP.


The ALP here was founded in 1891 to keep non-white workers out of Queensland. You don't hear THAT at their meetings. :rolleyes:

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I've said for many a year now that the way you beat the BNP isn't to ignore them or call them names that belong in the school yards of old, but confront them on their policies and issues and the holes and flaws will reveal themselves.


Could not have said it better myself. And maybe if Labour moved a bit further left the BNP would see their support base move back to Labour.

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Pez201,Jun 28 2009
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Niongor,Jun 27 2009
10:27 PM
Pez201,Jun 27 2009
04:03 AM
From what I've heard, the BNP is economically as left as Labour used to be, and they support renewable energy and, oddly enough, Greenpeace. :blink:

Maybe if Labour and the rest of them stopped saying "omg racists!!!!111" and actually looked at other reasons why people vote BNP they may be able to win some votes back.

Not to mention that regards racism many of those European powers were the worst of the lot. As late as 1958 the Belgians had a "native village" on show in Belgium as a zoo exhibit. <_<

Pez...

*MEGA-HI-5*

Thanks. :P

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I think it's just easier for the BBC and other such organisations to invoke the memory of Hitler in order to undermine the BNP.


The ALP here was founded in 1891 to keep non-white workers out of Queensland. You don't hear THAT at their meetings. :rolleyes:

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I've said for many a year now that the way you beat the BNP isn't to ignore them or call them names that belong in the school yards of old, but confront them on their policies and issues and the holes and flaws will reveal themselves.


Could not have said it better myself. And maybe if Labour moved a bit further left the BNP would see their support base move back to Labour.

Well I think Tony Blair is to blame on this one. Why? Simply: since the 1980s the "working class" has been dwindling in the UK and the win or loss of an election now lies in the hands of the expanding "middle class". The middle class won't elect someone shouting off about how we need to nationalise industry, strengthen trade unions and behead Margaret Thatcher (I'm purposely stereotyping). Realising this, Tony Blair moved his party from left to centrist.

Wallah, they become a very viable opposition and their appeal grows alongside the stagnation of the Conservatives. Compared to the almost communist Labour party of the 80s, the New Labour party of the 90s looked like a Tory party of the 70s - i.e. inoffensive, middle of the road yes-people. Before you know it, 1997 rolls up and that combination of say everything right, do nothing right wins a landslide.

Blacklash: by saying the right things to win over "middle England", Blair quickened the alienation of the working class toward politics. In the UK, the working class are most apathetic of voting groups. I'm not saying they don't vote or that they're universally apathetic, just that they're the least likely to vote. With that in mind, turnout since 1997 has fell faster than at any time in UK electoral history, which I would put down to them feeling they don't have a voice anymore.

As an "interesting" sidenote, when discussing the low turnout in 2005, Tony Blair actually suggested people weren't voting because they were "content". That might be true for a fraction of the 49% of voters who didn't bother turning out, but I'm pretty sure that's not the real reason now, is it, Blair?

Anyway, to continue my arduous point: once Labour had "turned its back" on the working class, who are they to vote for? Who stands up for them now that each and every party runs after middle England? Enter the BNP. It's British. They're National. It's a Party. Therefore it meets the requirements of many an old racist alienated by Labour's "betrayal". They say the right things to make the uneducated masses think "Oh wow they say what I think" when in acutality, their policies are punitive on almost every level. I mean, "mandatory gun ownership to all households" is asking for trouble. They say they wish to model it on the Swiss model. Fair enough, UK be prepared for the highest rate of gun crime per capita in the world...but of course the omit that fact. Oh, and I assume "every household" as a "unless they're not white" clause. <_<

As for the Australian parties, the foundations of the Liberal party were founded by staunch protectionist Alfred Deakin (one of my fave PMs). Nowadays his politics are considered close to the ALP's :rolleyes: Also, interesting fact about the ALP :P At least they "made it better"(?) by abolishing the "White Australia" immigration policies :lol:
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