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| Spy: "Only wrong doers need be worried!" | |
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| Topic Started: Jun 7 2009, 04:57 AM (129 Views) | |
| Niongor | Jun 7 2009, 04:57 AM Post #1 |
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Former Spy tells BBC: "UK must log phone and web use" After reading this I got the sense of "only wrong doers need be worried" the single most hated phrase of my ears. I detest the very notion that a government will record and monitor everything we do...but not the content! Bullshit! If they can record times, phone numbers, phone locations and sites/addresses emails are going to and from, they can sure as hell record the content! This is one the mounting reasons why I'm thinking I may leave the UK on a permanent basis <_< |
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| disposablepuppetland | Jun 7 2009, 06:16 AM Post #2 |
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Well hopefully the next government, which should be fairly soon, will put a stop to all this police state legislation. |
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| Pez201 | Jun 7 2009, 07:39 AM Post #3 |
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I can't remember the exact wording, but someone once said something about those who give up liberty for security don't deserve either. We can only hope this is just hot air from some dimwit, and not an actual plan. :mellow: |
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"I never said i was the first person..yesh. I admit Pez was the first one to throw a goat" - Fin Leader of the Canadian Fat Whale Party from 21/5/08 - 29/8/09 and from 1/8/09 when his 48 hour brain fuzz cleared up.
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| jDELIGHT | Jun 8 2009, 01:15 AM Post #4 |
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ben franklin said it, and don't move to the u.s. expecting any different. :rolleyes: |
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| Pez201 | Jun 8 2009, 02:50 AM Post #5 |
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Franklin was a brilliant man, so it's proof that the saying has merit. ![]() Oh and in Australia the Federal Government wants to filter internet content, which will slow down speeds and cost a lot on money, to "protect the kiddies". <_< |
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"I never said i was the first person..yesh. I admit Pez was the first one to throw a goat" - Fin Leader of the Canadian Fat Whale Party from 21/5/08 - 29/8/09 and from 1/8/09 when his 48 hour brain fuzz cleared up.
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| Niongor | Jun 8 2009, 02:00 PM Post #6 |
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I fundamentally agree with the idea: "Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither." The British government don't half f**k me off! I, like DPL, also hope the next government end/reverse the currently evolving police state in the UK. I can't wait for the next general election in the UK so I can show the Stalinist Labour party what I really think of the f**king idiots. If they're not spying on you, they're busy bending over and dropping their undies for the European Union. As for what's happening in Australia: looks like there may be a State-Federal government clash on that one. Word in Western Australia is that the Liberal Government there will try and stop the Federal government imposing those restrictions on Western Australia. If that is the case, we all know what will happen. High Court will (as usual) side with the federal government and then remind everyone that when they joined the Commonwealth in 1901 they signed an agreement saying "I do solemnly swear to be thy Federal Government's bitch, to be bullied, insubordinate and, as I am not New South Wales, thoroughly unequal in all manners and respects, and taxed higher per head than anywhere else." Et cetera... The UK did take one more step towards totalitarianism in the EU elections: democracy's downside. However, I cannot exaggerate how pleased I am that Labour came 3rd Nice to see the Conservatives win in Wales for the first time in 80 years too
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| Pez201 | Jun 9 2009, 08:33 AM Post #7 |
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I read your post Nio. ![]() There's a lot to comment on. :ph43r: |
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"I never said i was the first person..yesh. I admit Pez was the first one to throw a goat" - Fin Leader of the Canadian Fat Whale Party from 21/5/08 - 29/8/09 and from 1/8/09 when his 48 hour brain fuzz cleared up.
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| Niongor | Jun 9 2009, 11:47 AM Post #8 |
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Apologies for the length of that rant, but ranting is like a tube of Pringles: once you pop you just can't stop... :rolleyes: In that respect also similar to a chain reaction in a nuclear power plant...
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| Carbanousa | Jun 11 2009, 02:50 PM Post #9 |
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A number of things:
Actually, the argument is solid-I]ish[/I] on a number of counts. The ability to monitor the content on a national scale would require an immense amendments of legislation and statue. Invasion of privacy also springs to mind. Knowing the source and their intended destination or recipient on the other hand can be a useful tool. Only certain pre-identified sources would be subject to more rigorous methods. Think of it this way – even now when you make a telephone call or send an Email certain phrases and words are ‘tagged’. Email is perhaps an easier example as Voice Recognition Software, hitherto referred to as VRS, is not yet as good as it can be. When an Email is sent it goes from your provider or client, pops into the server (be that IMAP, HTTP, SMTP or other and a copy is directed to somewhere. Should any number of – I think it’s five-hundred (500) key words appear in either the subject line or body the scanning server notifies certain official bodies. And let is not forget Call and Contact Centre’s that use VRS for reasons as wide and varied as the species that are now extinct or as near as can be. Your comment that “only wrong doers need be worried” is flawed. In fact, it is naïve and misguided. Everyone has to be worried. With cameras on every street corner granting the ability to run identity verification routines using national crime databases I’d start wearing a hat. Dangles worm on hook: What do you think of the ID cards with their biometric data..? Besides, America has been doing this for years if one believes the conspiracy theorists.
Absolutely. And for certain things, prevention is better than cure. One can never cure “terrorism” or “anti Semitism”, but it can be prevented. Or at least reduced. And don’t’ forget IP addresses that should the correct paperwork be presented a name, addresses, economic grouping and status be ascertained. Question to Niongor: Do you have a Facebook or MySpace account?
Good luck. It is a vicious world out there. Have you any idea how hard it is to a) repeal a law; b) gain support for the above; c) actually be bothered? Besides, the number of readings required in both the House of Commons and House of Lords is a game of numbers that not many wish to play. Or do they? Present when only those in favour of keeping the law in place are there and it’s a done deal. No brainer. I say that Liz (The Queen – yeah… I’m on colloquial terms with her. And Al, what a guy! He can drink a yard of Ale in under thirty (3) seconds) waltzes in to the House of Commons, she gets beheaded and the incumbent administration then has to deal with charges of first degree murder at the Human Rights Court. Huzzah! Bored now.
Absolutely. The forerunner of the surveillance state. …and charge the taxpayers how much for this privilege?
Again, naïve and this time misinformed. Those who sacrifice anything deserve nothing. And as our star-spangled compadrés would say – period.
Please don’t take this the wrong way. Again it is a game of numbers and one (1) vote, apart from making the owner feel better makes very little difference. That’s why the Tories are always so disenfranchised. Actually, classical Conservatism is closer to the now Labour party that they are. I guess there were merits to undertaking a degree in political history.
Permit me to quote one of my favourite bands:
N’est pas?
In all fairness, that’ll keep me laughing until next spring. Ten out of ten.
No this is far more interesting. I actually laud this. All and sundry have been bashing them with no cause or semblance of reasonable argument. Now to be clear from the off – I AM NOT CONDONING THE ACTIONS OF ADOLF HITLER, THE NAZI PARTY OR ANY OF ITS SUBSIDIARIES. Got that? Or shall I say it louder? I AM NOT CONDONING THE ACTIONS OF ADOLF HITLER, THE NAZI PARTY OR ANY OF ITS SUBSIDIARIES. No? Where’s my megaphone? Ah here it is: I AM NOT CONDONING THE ACTIONS OF ADOLF HITLER, THE NAZI PARTY OR ANY OF ITS SUBSIDIARIES. Good. Besides, if anyone wants an argument on this – bring it. Sometimes the means do justify the ends. But only in rare cases. Run the numbers and think of the wider picture/implications. And isn’t the Swastika the sign for peace? Perhaps with an inversion thing going on, but still. I guess it’s a fashion statement. Fascism is the same as any political theory. Sound in theory. Take Anarchism for example. All is well and good until some bona-fide berk thinks they can do better. Lo! A dictatorship. That’s irony at play in real terms. Much is the same about democracy. One could argue the same about the bible. But I’m not here to bash religion. That’s too easy. Nick – a big up. Well done. Must ask though – any relation to Peter from Family Guy - there is a certain resemblance. You achieved what thought was never possible. And for that you have my respect, but not necessarily support. And the intellectual bit – he won the game of numbers with the odds stacked so far against him no one thought it possible. They have as every right as anyone else to express their opinions. Too bad if some don’t like them. They said the same about Jesus. Right. I’m bored and ready for the flack so… |
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| Carbanousa | Jun 11 2009, 02:51 PM Post #10 |
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| Carbanousa | Jun 11 2009, 02:51 PM Post #11 |
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Steady, |
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| Carbanousa | Jun 11 2009, 02:51 PM Post #12 |
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| Niongor | Jun 11 2009, 03:32 PM Post #13 |
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Um...yair? :lol:There's a lot there to get into. On the BNP thing: I'm not one of those people who dislike that party because they're anything left of centre. I dislike them for their vile social policies and economic policies that are populist to the point of being unable to work in the economic reality of the modern UK. As for the rest, an Afrikaans saying: "Die wind baie wege blaas." ("The wind blows many ways." - Everyone has their own opinions) EDIT: Just realised I was meant to type "right of centre", I was wondering why I stumped myself with it last night. :rolleyes: Apologies. |
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| Carbanousa | Jun 11 2009, 03:58 PM Post #14 |
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As in the Hebrew name meaning "he will light" or "he will enlighten"? That's too kind.
Precisely.
I like the oxymoron. It gives brain pins and needles... nice. Food for thought: The UKIP (United Kingdom Independent Party) is is many ways a watered down and more acceptable - nay viable - alternative to the BNP. They just go about it a different way.
...and to quote So-crates "Johnson" from Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure (well, Ted Theodore Logan really): "all we are is dust in the wind, dudes." And as the wind blows, so does the dust scatter to the farthest reaches of the globe taking that from which it came. |
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| Pez201 | Jun 11 2009, 09:26 PM Post #15 |
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How the hell did Hitler and Nazis get worked into this thread? <_<
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"I never said i was the first person..yesh. I admit Pez was the first one to throw a goat" - Fin Leader of the Canadian Fat Whale Party from 21/5/08 - 29/8/09 and from 1/8/09 when his 48 hour brain fuzz cleared up.
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| MrPopo | Jun 11 2009, 11:36 PM Post #16 |
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There is a time... There is a time for all things under the sun. Yes, there is a time for powers that be to take total control of a wrecklessly free society and curve some of its more destructive natures. And theres a time to completely relinquish those powers for the sake of personal liberty. So, this just happens to be the time when freedom and responisibility are not understood by the common man. And evil is a byword that only means as much as what we are willing to condemn. |
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| Carbanousa | Jun 12 2009, 12:38 PM Post #17 |
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