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Topic Started: Oct 12 2008, 05:46 AM (292 Views)
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True, it is to late for nations to be isolationists, but i always perfer that, like if Wilson didn't enter U.S.A to Europe's war, things here would be alot better.
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True, it is to late for nations to be isolationists, but i always perfer that, like if Wilson didn't enter U.S.A to Europe's war, things here would be alot better.

It would also stop some Americans from thinking that they won WW1, when in reality they showed up 2.5 years too late. :P
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Fin,Oct 14 2008
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True, it is to late for nations to be isolationists, but i always perfer that, like if Wilson didn't enter U.S.A to Europe's war, things here would be alot better.

It would also stop some Americans from thinking that they won WW1, when in reality they showed up 2.5 years too late. :P

And yet, the war started turning when we showed up...what a strange coincidence :o :lol:
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Fin,Oct 14 2008
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True, it is to late for nations to be isolationists, but i always perfer that, like if Wilson didn't enter U.S.A to Europe's war, things here would be alot better.

It would also stop some Americans from thinking that they won WW1, when in reality they showed up 2.5 years too late. :P

And yet, the war started turning when we showed up...what a strange coincidence :o :lol:

Yes indeed. In 1917 the British introduced the use of the tank and broke the Hindenburg line after three years of machine-gun fire entrenchment.

Where's my fellow British Commonwealther Nio when i need him? :eyebrow:
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Pez201,Oct 14 2008
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Pez201,Oct 14 2008
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Fin,Oct 14 2008
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True, it is to late for nations to be isolationists, but i always perfer that, like if Wilson didn't enter U.S.A to Europe's war, things here would be alot better.

It would also stop some Americans from thinking that they won WW1, when in reality they showed up 2.5 years too late. :P

And yet, the war started turning when we showed up...what a strange coincidence :o :lol:

Yes indeed. In 1917 the British introduced the use of the tank and broke the Hindenburg line after three years of machine-gun fire entrenchment.

Where's my fellow British Commonwealther Nio when i need him? :eyebrow:

Right here!!

I was about to quote your last post about the septics showing up late and thinking they won WW1, but then I saw this post :rolleyes:

I believe that it was inevitable that WW1 would've been won by Britain and her allies, it was just a matter of time. I believe the help of the United States certainly made the war end quicker, and of course they helped to rebuild Europe and wrote the debt off, which all Europeans should be greatful for!

There is a bittersweat irony to WW1. It was the first time the British Empire as a whole did battle together, and yet it was the last war we would fight as an Empire.

I used that point to score my top marks in last years British history class at uni. Combine history and religion in your essay and wallah! You're sailing through! I compared the fall of the British Empire to the last actions of Jesus: "A final and great sacrifice shouldered for all the world!" *wipes away a tear* Utter bollocks of course, but I won't argue with a Distinction!

Maybe it's the fact that the Great War (WW1) was the Empire's last war that it's remembered with such a mix of regret (for the loss of the Empire and countless millions) but also "pride" (for the efforts of those, often nameless, faces that dies for what we have today). Certainly in South Africa, the Great War was remembered as, not a move by the British Empire to preserve itself, but to preserve the world. A "selfless act" if you will. Of course, one primary reason to the war was Britain wanting to keep the German Empire in Europe and its existing colonies. WW1 was certainly the greatest turning point in Europe's history, and a major turning point in world history. USA's authority and military might became apparent, and the British Empire, the original "super power" breathed her dying breath.

I've been to the war graves in France with my dad. There, men from every corner of the Empire, lie side by side. They're often in they're own cemeteries, Australian cemeteries, British war graves, US and Canadian and so forth. There's on (I forget the name) where they were all together. British, Australians, New Zealanders, Canadians and other "children of the Empire" lying side by side. My great grandmother (who was 89 at the time) simply said, "That's how it should be. All of us together, like they were on the field!" (She lost her two older brothers WW1). I found what she said quite typical of how the empire is viewed in "the colonies".

Anyway, I ramble.

It does f**k me off when the Americans think they won the war; and it honestly makes me angry when some (defo not all!) make out like the Europeans and British were lazy fighters, or even "scared". That really f**ks me off. Many Americans I talk to don't actually realise Canada had been involved in World War One 2½ years before the US was. However, for all the misconceptions and misunderstandings about World War 1, we can't fault the US. She broke a 150 year old isolationist policy for the sake of her allies (read "trading partners") in Europe :P She gave us money when we were broke and (for WW1) asked for nothing in return...apart from changing the currency of international trade from pounds to dollars. Nah but seriously. The first thing Washington did after leading the earliest revolution against the empire, was to establish formal ties and trading links with Great Britain. Quote one of the founding fathers (I forget which, though I suspect it was perhaps Washington himself): "The French may have helped this nation become free, but it was not France that sowed the seeds of this harvest!" :D
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What Nio said. :P

I have nothing else to add.
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Well Europeans can be just as stupid as Americans…GASP….anyways I agree with you Nio
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i hated the treaty of versailles, the germans didn't really kill the arch duke :P


but meh, alot of humans, as a species are stupid, not just nationalities.
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Niongor,Oct 14 2008
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There is a bittersweat irony to WW1. It was the first time the British Empire as a whole did battle together, and yet it was the last war we would fight as an Empire.

Maybe it's the fact that the Great War (WW1) was the Empire's last war that it's remembered with such a mix of regret (for the loss of the Empire and countless millions) but also "pride" (for the efforts of those, often nameless, faces that dies for what we have today). Certainly in South Africa, the Great War was remembered as, not a move by the British Empire to preserve itself, but to preserve the world. A "selfless act" if you will. Of course, one primary reason to the war was Britain wanting to keep the German Empire in Europe and its existing colonies. WW1 was certainly the greatest turning point in Europe's history, and a major turning point in world history. USA's authority and military might became apparent, and the British Empire, the original "super power" breathed her dying breath.

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02:50 PM
i hated the treaty of versailles, the germans didn't really kill the arch duke :P


but meh, alot of humans, as a species are stupid, not just nationalities.

thanks for bringing that up, karkan. there's a couple of things i'd like to point out.

firstly, that the treaty of versailles made the perfect conditions in germany (complete humiliation, loss of economically vital lands, impossibly large reparation payments) for a nationalistic, fascistic, fanatic party like hitler's nazis to rise to power, and beyond that, gave them many things to blame (completely without justification) on the jews. in short, it was one of the main causes of the second world war.

the second thing is that i think the first world war in its entirety was completely STUPID from the point of view of anybody who wasn't among the ruling elite. it was a war fought primarily over colonies, escalating due to complicated alliances, and sparked by a nearly completely unrelated incident (the assassination of Franz Ferdinand by a bosnian-serb nationalist). the vast majority of all the populations involved had absolutely nothing to gain from this feud between the bougie scum "leading" them, and because of this feud millions of people died. that's not mentioning the displacement and complete destruction of millions of survivor's lives.

and for what? so that their glorious emperors and kings and so forth could colonize and oppress populations thousands of kilometres away?

i'm sorry, but i have none of the sentimentality over the "great war". merely sadness and regret for all the people whose lives were ended or drastically changed because of something that had nothing to do with them.
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I have to agree on this point with Niz. Beside of the celebration of war-heroism in the entertainment industries there is in fact nothing good about war. Especially WW1 showed what humans capability of technological progress is used for… to kill us each other in the cruelest way.

(Note to war entertainment and propaganda: I don’t think there is any good war. At the most there are possible inevitable wars, when the own politicians/ruling class haven’t done their job properly or are lining in one’s own pocket.)
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That's a good point Niz, but not all Empires colonized and oppressed their colonies. The British Empire brought law and order, justice and equality and of course freedom and democracy to many, although, as with anywhere else these were at times abused.

As the First World War, I've always been in the mind set that it should never have happened. Ridiculous waste of human life if ever there was one. That is why is must forever be remembered - so that mankind never creates a tragedy like that again.

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Well Europeans can be just as stupid as Americans…GASP…

^ You said it!! Case in point: the European Union...*spits*

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anyone can be stupid at any point in time.


i just hate how the european powers blamed the whole war on germany and made em pay for most of it, when the germans were defending an allies actions. If i wrote the treaty, i'd make germany have a cap on their military, not to low, just so they can be strong enough internally. I'd make them pay for some reperations for obvious things, but not make em pay for the whole war, with blame being everywhere, alot of countries would have to pay a little as well. I'd make germany lose some lands, but not huge tracts of it. Thats just the surface. But back then alot of european countries and leaders were to dam* greedy.
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Nio "The British Empire brought law and order, justice and equality and of course freedom and democracy"

I find that to be untrue for most of their colonies and also when the brits went off and left they put people who hated each other in the same nation, Iraq anyone...anyways yes i have to admite they did do some nice things but they also did some horrible things as well. And all empires, U.K. or USA all abused and used their colonies/territories.

ANd how did this become the WWI thread?
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i guess economy and war go hand in hand :D :lol: :rofl:
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ANd how did this become the WWI thread?

Good point... I remembered I posted something yesterday about WWI but I was not able to find the thread straightaway. Those are all the little confusions leading to my general state of mind… total disorientation.
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I believe it all started with the word "isolationist." :ph43r:

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