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McCain's running mate
Topic Started: Aug 29 2008, 10:48 AM (925 Views)
Niongor
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Republican Presidential hopeful John McCain has named his running mate, and it's somewhat of a surprise to many.

Sarah Palin the current Governor of Alaska.

She's not your typical republican, she's a social-conservative, the best kind there is, because they put people first, not big business.

This could possibly be John McCain's answer to the Hilary Clinton supporters who became disenfranchised with Obama after he didn't even consider Hilary for his running mate.

Either way, this race just got a liiiitle bit more interesting me thinks :shifty:
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the vp choice IS FROM IDAHO WOOO YEAH BOY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


IDAHO FTW!!!!!

that'll probably ensure an already sure idaho, but it'd get alaska and maybe hawaii due to her being from a non-continental state!


MAC IS BACK MAC IS BACK MAC IS BACK WOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


MCCAIN FTW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

republicans rock....

*hands potatoes and fish to fellow mccain man and republican niongor, with a good sized soda/beer and pretzels.
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Kartoffel Kanzler,Aug 29 2008
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*hands potatoes and fish to fellow mccain man and republican niongor, with a good sized soda/beer and pretzels.

McCain man: yes.

Republican: not necessarily... :eyebrow:
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I need to do a lot of reading to learn about her. I would be voting for McCain no matter who he picked because as far as I'm concerned, the alternative would be a TOTAL disaster. In any event, this appears to be an excellent strategic move by the Republicans. maybe they are finally going to remove their collective heads from their butts.
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Jack Tarr,Aug 29 2008
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I need to do a lot of reading to learn about her. I would be voting for McCain no matter who he picked because as far as I'm concerned, the alternative would be a TOTAL disaster. In any event, this appears to be an excellent strategic move by the Republicans. maybe they are finally going to remove their collective heads from their butts.

:fonz: Nicely said, let's hope this is a collective head-from-butt-removal situation :yes:
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Niongor,Aug 29 2008
08:48 AM

This could possibly be John McCain's answer to the Hilary Clinton supporters who became disenfranchised with Obama after he didn't even consider Hilary for his running mate.


Hillary supporters want choice and this woman is pro-life. She is also pro-gun. I am thinking Hillary supporters won't vote for McCain/Palin for those 2 reasons.

Palin can also be called inexperienced, just as the Rebulicans said about Obama...

Hopefully Obama will get in and then the Democrats can start cleaning up the Republican's mess, yet again...
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Niongor,Aug 29 2008
04:48 PM
She's not your typical republican, she's a social-conservative, the best kind there is, because they put people first, not big business.

*double take*
A politician? Put people first?



HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAA!




She looks quite an interesting proposition.
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actually roughly 21% of clinton voters'll vote mccain. I think mccain has the election sealed now. he's even in the polls, but that'll change, and picking some1 from the rocky states'll guarentee em for him.
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Niongor,Aug 29 2008
03:48 PM
She's not your typical republican, she's a social-conservative, the best kind there is, because they put people first, not big business.

Allowedly, I quote here again the same as Omni. But this phrase was an eye catcher for me. As far I have heard and read about Sarah Palin your right. She is “conservative”, but I’m not so sure about the attachment “social-“.
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Niongor,Aug 29 2008
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She's not your typical republican, she's a social-conservative, the best kind there is, because they put people first, not big business.

Allowedly, I quote here again the same as Omni. But this phrase was an eye catcher for me. As far I have heard and read about Sarah Palin your right. She is “conservative”, but I’m not so sure about the attachment “social-“.

She's done a lot for people, I know that politicians are self-serving, self-saving, egotistical, dollar lickers; but she's got a proven track record on her helping of people and breaking the mold in regards to the typical politican.

She's a mixed bag, in the good sense though. She gave huge tax rebates to Alaskans, she's an environmentalist (althought I don't know how accurate that is but all the evidence I've read so far confirms it) and she made Alaska less dependent on Washington DC in regards to money and powers. Also through her direct actions, corrupt oil executive (some of whom were members of her own party, the Republicans) were brought to justice and next of kin rights, and cohabitation benefits were awarded to gay couples on par with straight couples in Alaska.

People are saying "she has no foreign policy experience" - they're right, but McCain had enough for the two of them and let us not forget, she's an outsider in regards to Washington. Plus, to use Obama's own words on his inexperience, "It could actually prove benefitial! A fresh new look!" She doesn't do things the backwards Washington way, she does it like a normal American who hasn't been bent over and violated by the lobbyists. She'll make a nice change to the typical politican of old.

She's essentially a take-no-sh*t politician, and that's sorely needed right now in the US, especially after Bush's "do what oil says" bunch of monkeys.
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I'm going to be voting for Obama no matter what. I know that he may be inexperienced and all, but I just can't stand the thought of another four years with the Republicans. I'm actually very afraid of another Republican getting into office. Yes, McCain may have had some experience, but so did Dick Cheney and Bush.
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I think it's funny how Obama is always talking about "change", but when he actually has to make a decision on his VP pick, he selects the most old-school, inside-the-beltway politician in Washington, Joe Biden.

Compare this to McCain, who picks a Washington outsider with a track record of bringing real change and reform to her state government.

So which ticket is really about change? Actions speak louder than words.
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I think it's funny how Obama is always talking about "change", but when he actually has to make a decision on his VP pick, he selects the most old-school, inside-the-beltway politician in Washington, Joe Biden.

Compare this to McCain, who picks a Washington outsider with a track record of bringing real change and reform to her state government.

So which ticket is really about change? Actions speak louder than words.

McCain's choice had the pure intent of winning over woman voters.
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Palin is pro big business - oil companies, thank you very much. She is no environmentalist, and does bend over when it comes to the oil companies.

She is also the wrong kind of social conservative - the kind who thinks the government should say a woman has no choice when it comes to her own body.

Yes, some of her ideas and accomplishments are quite progressive - which plays well in Alaska.

I think she's a fairly weak choice overall. McCain's foreign policies are nothing new, and Palin has none. We need a very strong and credible presence in the world, and I do not see that happening if the ridiculous policies continue.

Each ticket now has an experienced person and one who lacks certain kinds of experience.

I have finally decided that I will be voting for Obama, based on McCain's very poor track record on Native rights, his drastic change in policy ideas in the last 8 years, his strong alliance with the Bush administration in the last 8 years, and his age. He has shown a severe lack of courage and sense in his decision making.

I would have voted for him 8 years ago, but not now.

Sorry, but the future lies in a younger more progressive president, not the vice president.

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The way polls are conducted in the U.S. is outdated and very inaccurate. Who is polled and who responds? Those who still answer their landlines.


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Before you get shocked about that *tobigtoread*-post Nion: I just want to point out that the term social-conservative is not that lucky chosen in this case. It has nothing to do about the abilities of her being a good candidate for vice-president in the view of the Republican Party. In fact Palin has attributes I do approve. Beside don’t worry about my opinion. I can’t even vote :rolleyes:.

(We have to note that the use/meaning of the term social is often dependent from the subjective perception of the person using it. So this discussion is maybe more about perception or definition.)


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…because they put people first...

Well I never heard in a democratic election that a candidate tried to convince the voters he/she would not put the people first. Basic rule and generally first step of any election: “Convince the people (who can/will go vote respectively are relevant for you) that you are nice guy or gal, who is going to care for their interests.”

My problem is that the phrase “put the people first” or “helping people” is too generic. It’s too often used by candidates and also it is too often easily believed by voters (This is valid for any political party/direction). It could mean anything or nothing. What exactly does help mean? What kind of action? How far goes it? etc. Who is people? His/her campaign contributers, the poor, the rich, etc. What is the overall effect of this help (causal chain) and there are many more questions left.

At the end only the real taken actions is saying something about a politician. As far I have heard from Palin, she is definitely not the devil per se. McCain possibly made a good choice concerning his political interests. But looking at what action has been taken by her, the term social-conservative really don’t apply to her. In my opinion she is a conservative. However she might be able to do concessions in certain social topics, but this does not mean real social oriented politics.



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Niongor,Aug 30 2008
06:12 PM
…she's an environmentalist (althought I don't know how accurate that is but all the evidence I've read so far confirms it)…
I also heard something like that, but she is not an environmentalist. She is more like a conservative with a slightly green touch. “Touch” because I think she does concessions in ecological topics in favor of the economy (Btw. That’s not necessarily bad). Still any person putting interests on environmental topic will oppose strongly to this statement, she’s an environmentalist (She really isn’t). Well as political orientation, green politics goes often hand in hand with social politics. But being green or having a green touch is something for itself.

Niongor,Aug 30 2008
06:12 PM
…she made Alaska less dependent on Washington DC in regards to money and powers…
However a part (major or minor whatever) of the people will really like her for that, this subject has in my point of view nothing to with social politics per se.

Niongor,Aug 30 2008
06:12 PM
…Also through her direct actions, corrupt oil executive (some of whom were members of her own party, the Republicans) were brought to justice and next of kin rights…
I guess you refer to the incident about the commissioners in the AlaskaOil&GasConservation. Yes that is something to point out since it has to do with ethical behavior. And I strongly approve that :fonz: . But being law-abiding instead of a corrupt politician doesn’t distinct someone as a social politician, respectively being honest/ethical is not restricted to social oriented politicians. You find them everywhere, like you find the corrupt ones everywhere.

Niongor,Aug 30 2008
06:12 PM
…cohabitation benefits were awarded to gay couples on par with straight couples in Alaska…
Well this might be something but at the end for voters with interest in equality in this topic Palin don’t seem to be an option. However she seems to be a conservative who has the will to make concessions in order to do some appeasement in this overheated discussion.

Niongor,Aug 30 2008
06:12 PM
…She gave huge tax rebates to Alaskans …
Ohuhm...! Well this is a difficult topic, since the overall taxation of a country can be constructed in a totally confusing way. Yes tax decision can be used in social politics to improve social equality, but it can also generate the opposite. Unfortunately a lot of tax cuts are usually sold as help for the social needy or as an equal benefit for the whole population. First it sounds good in a campaign and also higher the change to get votes.
The problem is that the absolute saving from a tax cut can be higher for the richer than the poorer ones. This will result indirectly in a stronger negative effect in social equality (e.g. the drift of the Gini-coefficient towards 1). Having a relevant higher absolute saving combined with compound interest is a major advantage the richer ones can take here compared to the poor ones. This results further in a concentration of monetary and therefore also political power to a minority. And honestly who really wants an Oligarchy besides of them.
A second problem, even when taxpaying is annoying, it generates the income of a government. Without or less of this income a government has to make cuts in its budget. This is often social welfare, equality, health care, education, and even infrastructure like streets, energy or fresh water. Often people forget that taxes are related to services. While a person with less income may save some dollars in a tax cut, there will be all of a sudden a slowly declination or even disappearance of necessary governmental services. With the few dollars saved it isn’t possible for him/her to buy replacement for these services. Persons with much higher income, who possibly can benefits the most from a tax cut will also have enough money to compensate it. In really bad tax cut packages the high wealth class of a population has the possibility to get out with a profit since the extra service is compared smaller to the saving of the tax cut, while the normal class citizen will end up with a loss although it looked like in the beginning he could have saved something. Also not to forget is the concept of sunk cost. (E.g. The use of expensive elite private schools. If the tax cut will result in a reduction of investment in public schools, you can’t loose as high wealth class.). The stronger shift of monetary and political power can also end up in a direction where the rare sources of the governmental budget are used in their interests. Resulting that the few tax income dollars left will proportional even generate less benefit for the normal citizens.
These effects are often part of a very slow process in society and therefore often not realized or not connected with the cause.

Well the described effect is not stringently. Yes a tax cut can be a real benefit for the majority of a country’s population, when the legal settings are done properly and the further effects on the economy are respected. But as far as I know the Republican Party isn’t that famous for social oriented taxation. However they maintained an incredible ability to promote them in an attractive way.

Niongor,Aug 30 2008
06:12 PM
…People are saying "she has no foreign policy experience" - they're right, but McCain had enough for the two of them and let us not forget, she's an outsider in regards to Washington.  Plus, to use Obama's own words on his inexperience, "It could actually prove benefitial!  A fresh new look!"  She doesn't do things the backwards Washington way, she does it like a normal American who hasn't been bent over and violated by the lobbyists.  She'll make a nice change to the typical politican of old…
Generally I do agree to that phrase. But during an election it’s often not sure, if lack of inexperience (what is a negative factor) is compensated by fresh wind. Depends on the candidates character… it is during an election a matter of subjective valuation… and time will tell. I just hope big politics is not going to have a bad influence on her. Lobbyists are often very cunning. But this is here out of topic.

Niongor,Aug 30 2008
06:12 PM
She's essentially a take-no-sh*t politician, and that's sorely needed right now in the US, especially after Bush's "do what oil says" bunch of monkeys.
Can’t say if this is true, but I like your attitude. :lol: ^_^


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A lot of that you were talking about social politics, and I didn't use the term "social-conservative" to mean social politics, it's just English doesn't have the term I need to describe what I meant. Basically, she's a conservative, but not in an "aggressive" or "big business is good for all" kinda way.

I really can't find English words to describe the difference I mean :shrug:

EDIT: Sort of like a "people person" who happens to be conservative is kind of what I mean here :unsure:

Either way if I could vote in the Presidential Election, McCain-Palin would get my vote (I bet jD is sighing with relief that I can't vote :P ) Btw, jD - I'm totally with you on Native Rights issues :fonz:
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bush and mccain hate each other probably more than they hate the devil! :rofl: Whenever you see/saw them they were always full of hate for one another mostly because of bush's extensive maltreatment of mccain. It is really funny how well he can behave under circumstances that would make most people kill! His wife was a drug addict(not heroine, but pain killers) and a cartoon, well, if you looked it up, u'd probably find out.
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i think it's very patronizing to think that women will vote for mccain just because of palin.

a lot of people loathe their colleagues, but it's how they vote and what they throw money at that tells the real tale.

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jDELIGHT,Aug 31 2008
02:14 AM
Palin is pro big business - oil companies, thank you very much. She is no environmentalist, and does bend over when it comes to the oil companies.

Sorry, that's flat-out false.

http://money.cnn.com/2008/08/29/news/newsm...rtune/index.htm

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Once in office, Palin took an aggressive stance toward the oil companies. Her nickname from high-school basketball, "Sarah Barracuda," was resurrected in the press. Early in her term, she shocked oil lobbyists when she was so bold as to not show up when Exxon CEO Rex Tillerson came to Juneau to meet with her. Palin, after scrapping Murkowski's deal, would not give Big Oil the terms they wanted, yet insisted that the companies still had an obligation under their lease to deliver gas to whatever pipeline Alaska built. She invited the oil companies to place open bids to build a pipeline, but they refused. A bid by TransCanada, North America's largest pipeline builder, was approved by the legislature in August.

Palin also raised taxes on oil companies after Murkowski's previous tax regime produced falling revenues in 2007, despite skyrocketing oil prices.


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She is also the wrong kind of social conservative - the kind who thinks the government should say a woman has no choice when it comes to her own body.


You mean the same kind that believe that innocent babies should be allowed to live? Sounds like the right kind of social conservative to me.

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Each ticket now has an experienced person and one who lacks certain kinds of experience.


Except that the Dems have their least experienced candidate at the top of the ticket where it counts. People don't look for a VP to have a lot of experience. But they do want their president to have experience.

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his strong alliance with the Bush administration in the last 8 years, and his age. He has shown a severe lack of courage and sense in his decision making.


McCain has gone against Bush and the Republicans more than anyone in the Senate, in particular on immigration, stem-cell research, and campaign finance reform. He's known as a maverick, and to say he has a strong alliance with Bush is way off the mark. And to say that someone who was a POW for several years in Vietnam lacks courage is wrong too.

I'm no McCain supporter, but let's get the facts right.
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