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| Topic Started: Jul 14 2008, 10:54 AM (1,460 Views) | |
| Kartoffel Kanzler | Aug 2 2008, 12:06 AM Post #121 |
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I dunno, im lucky i aint got a nickname so i nary get confused nor do i confuse any one else. |
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| Niongor | Aug 3 2008, 08:18 AM Post #122 |
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Kit is my R/L nickname, short for Christiaan (my full R/L name), I talk to WF on MSN all the time so he often slips up and calls me Kit in NSC :rolleyes: KK, you still didn't acknowledge that you were extremely wrong about Norway. Also you need to stop jumping government to government so fast. People like Fin aren't getting a chance to post before you change government. I'll address that theocracy issue AFTER we've exhausted the current debate, as what you said in regards to Sharia Law is somewhat misguided...again. <_< |
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| Kartoffel Kanzler | Aug 4 2008, 06:47 PM Post #123 |
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Paul Emil Rocks
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i already answered the norway issue, and the sharia law is true, an archbishop did say that sharia law might arise in muslim communities in france and/or britian. The only reason you can't really speak out against the muslim tamperings with common society is because of horrible, horrible, evil wrongful political correctness. |
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| Niongor | Aug 5 2008, 06:44 AM Post #124 |
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An archbishop did suggest Sharia Law could become part of British law, he was also shouted down by the entire country and told by a High Court Judge that introduction of such would introduce racial divides and would essentially give muslims there own law outside of the hands of the British Judicial/Legal system - thus creating a legal apartheid. Sharia law will never get introduced in the UK. Firstly because England & Wales have slightly different legal systems and processes to Scotland and so they do not adopt laws unilateraly. Secondly, if any government tried to introduce any kind of islamic law into the UK, they would never be re-elected again. Essentially what would happen is that muslims would be given their own seperate law that would be unaccountable to British law, whatever wording a government used, that would still be the case - seperate laws. I find British people are very reserved in nature, however, if you threaten their ways or establishment they react stronger than almost anybody on earth. The London bombings of 7/7 were such an instance. English common law is actually about 200 years older than the religion of Islam itself, so there is no way on God's green earth that the British people would allow Sharia law. I have no doubt that in future some weak, liberal Eurocratic government will attempt it, either here or France, but when it is tried, there'll be backlash. |
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| Kartoffel Kanzler | Aug 5 2008, 05:13 PM Post #125 |
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i think america has more agresiveness than britian does, when provoked. For instances: 9/11 we took iraq, pearl harbor we nuked japan, and we took germany. gb= revolution, we beat insurrections in the south, we beat mexico, we got korea. we got backbone! |
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| Omnivorous | Aug 5 2008, 06:52 PM Post #126 |
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I think that may be because freedom is the backbone of America - independence from the jurisdiction of other nations. Other nations may not like their freedom impeached and would revolt, but I have a sense that the United States of America is horrifically vilified by the idea. The British have a legacy of conquering and "generally" helping the nations underneath the Commonwealth, just as we were once fragile and benefited in some ways from the Roman conquests in the 1stC AD. Pretty much the same everywhere, just more so in the USA. |
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| Kartoffel Kanzler | Aug 5 2008, 11:28 PM Post #127 |
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The United States would never surrender to any conquerors and the conquerors would probably be the true losers of any wars. It's not the military that made the USA powerful, it's the people and their hardships that made us stand up to opressors. Freedom from them was really only a choice in the first of actions. We could have chosen another opressor. We had many choices because of our struggles and efforts, but we chose freedom. In my opinion i'd say that the germans had some of the most powerful militaries on earth at multiple times. They also introduced much influence on the USA. GB had influence too, but germans had the biggest and they still do, after all german-americans make up the biggest ancestry of the USA. |
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| Niongor | Aug 6 2008, 08:30 AM Post #128 |
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Couple of things to address here.
You do realise the conflict in Korea was never resolved and technically the two nations are still at war? Therefore you would need to clarify your meaning on "we got Korea" because if you are implying the United States won that war, you are plain wrong. Also, are you implying that the British do not have backbones? I'm sure that wasn't your intention at all, but you need to be more caring in how you put things across. We must also not forgot one vital and important issue. Yes, "freedom is the backbone of the USA", but let us not forget whom instilled that belief in them - the same people who instilled it in Australia, Canada, New Zealand and South Africa.
The United States certainly did well to tame North America...well, at least south of the Canadian border. Don't forget however, the British tamed the world. No Empire matched that of the United Kingdom and the British Empire (of which I firmly believe I am a product of) was the original superpower. Strictly speaking, today, not even the modern US with it's political and military might can match up to the power the British had at their peak. Nowadays, the US may well invade foreign nations and replace leaders, but back in the times of the British Empire, the British didn't need to invade in order to bring around surrender of a foreign power, the British simply threatened it. "A house is only as strong as its foundations" - remember that when the United States boasts of her freedom. The British gave you your laws, customs and even the set up for your constitution. Also do not forget that freedom is merely a word, and the United States is not as free as many believe her to be. Don't get me wrong, I'm not gonna sh*t all over the US, the world is billions of times better with the US in it! I've never met an American who was not completely curteous to me and your pride in your nation is rarely matched elsewhere on Earth. You are indeed the defenders of freedom and civil liberties, but the Americans need to remember they are not the only defenders of such. Before World War 1, the Americans were isolationists, and the British were the global police (and I think it's fair to say the world hated the British just like the unfree world hates America now). The ONLY thing that makes my eyebrow lift over the USA is their single-mindedness, it is the same flaw Winston Churchill found with them and that was aknowledged by FDR's refusal to listen to British advice during WW2 (that's actually more of a problem I have with FDR actually). |
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| Kartoffel Kanzler | Aug 6 2008, 02:49 PM Post #129 |
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i find it funny the british wanted to not do d-day and wanted to continue the efforts in the "soft underbelly." I have to wonder, are all brits as competative as monty was? also, i'd say the french had big empires too, don't leave out the good ones, like the aztecs, or the mayans, you must look to empires not by their worldly size, but by their size in comparison to their lands, and military. I'd say that economic wise the united states has the biggest empire the world has seen yet. We kinda control the economy and helped it. in ww2 if it wasn't for our economic might the war wouldve been horribly diffrent, and if germany did lose there wouldve been millions of more deaths. We were invaded in south korea, but we repelled them. The british had influence but lots of cultures did. I'd have to say that germany really helped the USA off it's feet with herr Stueben and his wonderful training of rebel troops. The united states is/isn't quick to anger, it depends on the situation. I do have to wonder, with our current government, would there ever be a revolution..... There is a possibility... If our healthcare system fails in 2040 or somewhere around that, our economy would sink, so would our spirits. The country'd be ripe for revolt, I wonder if that game "Shattered Union" could come true..... Personally i'd think that eventually the president will do something so radical, either obama or mccain that is, and we'll do something, it's just i don't know what. there could be a possible future in the USA when it's a police state because of a possible "national crisis." In which case like with the patriot act, would overrule all freedoms.... on a side note, you could compare how bush and hitler used national disasters i.e 9/11 and reichstag fire. They both suspended some freedoms, 9/11 wasn't intentional, but reichstag was... They both led up to war. on yet another side note, the USA could be compared to the roman empire of it's last years. The roman empire died when it allowed easy citizenship, and when it did other things that currently go on in the USA, and they were powerful, and so is the usa. on another side note: USA ROCKS! |
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| Niongor | Aug 7 2008, 06:21 AM Post #130 |
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You are seriously f**king kidding me?! How mis-informed are you? Who do you think suggested the D-Day landings?!?! A Brit!! Just because some American General stole his idea doesn't mean the Americans suggested it! You have a very Americo-centric view of the KK and that is a trait that alienates much of the world to the Americans. The rest of what you said p*ssed me off so much, I'm not going to dignify it with an answer. The USA is not the f**king be all and end all mate. |
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| Kartoffel Kanzler | Aug 8 2008, 02:09 AM Post #131 |
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and i thought i had salty language its funny, every superpower the world has ever had, has been surprisingly hated. It's kinda funny, then it's like when another nation usurps the position all hate moves towards dem, ah well, i nary do give a dam, unless i can build one jk, that joke was weaker than the italians in africa! ![]() i have to wonder, iz i any bit a' funny....? hmmmmmmmmm maybe all the corny jokes should stop, after all they is soooo corny, they could feed hobos for years to come, they is so corny my farmer relative is jealous! They is so corny popcorn takes a look at them and goes DAMMMMMMM! i'll quit the jokes if they nary be funny or at least pitifully/cornilly funny.now just tell me when we can move to a diffrent government type, i gots me a list! edit: i say the superpower thing just for the heck of it, and dis place is for that so speak yer mind and lol! |
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| Yanopia | Aug 8 2008, 09:24 PM Post #132 |
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About the superpower thing, superpowers are hated. Like look at the USSR. The Americans feared them because they were practically brainwashed into believing Communism was evil. Yes communism may have its bad points, but I see good in it too. Even to this day Americans fear communism. I've heard that if you say you're communist in America that you can be fired from a job. Of course, I don't know if that's true... |
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| Kartoffel Kanzler | Aug 9 2008, 02:22 PM Post #133 |
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Paul Emil Rocks
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probably not, the business'd probably be sued. The USA is hated in many parts of the earth and are brainwashed to hate us... ah well being a superpower is still cool.... nowadays americans don't hate communism or else we wouldn't be trading with communist china. |
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| Niongor | Aug 10 2008, 12:43 PM Post #134 |
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America may hate communism, but they love capitalism more than they hate communism They may trade with China but it doesn't mean they approve of China's governmental policies.
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| Almonaster | Aug 10 2008, 01:48 PM Post #135 |
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Also, the current chinese regime are not communists in anything but name - they are state capitalists. |
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| Kartoffel Kanzler | Aug 10 2008, 07:32 PM Post #136 |
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meh overall americans don't really care about communism. If we did all those communist/socialist political parties wouldve been banned. We really only care about the governments that hate us, like n.korea and iran. |
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| Yanopia | Aug 11 2008, 12:08 AM Post #137 |
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True,true. I guess it depends on the American. I know a hardcore Republican would definitely hate Communism. Democrats not so much as they're considered leftist. Anyway, my point is that certain Americans have really strong feelings about communism, being a traditionally very Capitalistic nation. Haha! Surprisingly a Canadian like me knows all this. lol |
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| Kartoffel Kanzler | Aug 11 2008, 12:58 AM Post #138 |
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actually what you said was kind of bogus, im a diehard republican, yet i nary have a grudge against communism. The idea was well intentioned, but it will always fail. |
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| Yanopia | Aug 11 2008, 03:49 AM Post #139 |
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Haha! My statement probably was flawed. lol Anyway, I have very mixed feelings about communism. Alot of the ideas themselves sound good, but are flawed. There are a few points Marx missed when coming up with his ideas. Us as humans are always going to want to come out on top. I'm not particulary fond of Capitalism, but at least with it people have money. It's the fact that the wealthy have a better quality of life under Capitalism that bothers me. |
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| Kartoffel Kanzler | Aug 11 2008, 04:32 AM Post #140 |
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yeah im not too fond of the left either though. I don't like the idea of universal healthcare in the US of A, mostly becuase if the government controls it, they could make it so that way people get horrible healthcare unless they'r diehard democrats, and that'd suck... Plus it'd bankrupt us..... I like the idea of privitized healthcare but the government could provide a minimum for the poorer people of society so that way the poorest of the poor could work they'r way up society without (too) much worry about healthcare. Social security might work like that too... i don't have anything against leftists, i just don't agree with them that much. I prefer to listen and compromise with new and sometimes radical ideas. |
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They may trade with China but it doesn't mean they approve of China's governmental policies.


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