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| Topic Started: Jul 14 2008, 10:54 AM (1,461 Views) | |
| West Fryslan | Jul 26 2008, 03:15 PM Post #101 |
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I dont care how they look they could be made of solid gold I'd still be opposed to them because they infringe civil rights and also if they were made of solid gold ID theft and selling would no doubt explode over night :rolleyes:
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| Omnivorous | Jul 26 2008, 04:38 PM Post #102 |
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"We bring to you, this nifty smaller version of a passport! It fits in your wallet! And tells us what you are drinking!" I've been told it'll replace passports when travelling in the EU. Like I'd leave the EU to move to another EU country... |
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| West Fryslan | Jul 26 2008, 06:03 PM Post #103 |
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British people can travel in the EU with only a valid driving licence according to EU laws. They actually only need to show their passport when leaving and entering the UK due to the UK not being in the Schengen agreement (you guys are best off out of it because it lets ANYBODY get into your country). |
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| Omnivorous | Jul 26 2008, 06:11 PM Post #104 |
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We're best off without the EU - anyone from Africa can enter the Canary Islands or Malta illegally by boat and be in the UK "taking our jobs" ( ) in two years.Perhaps open borders are the best idea? No need for people to dodge the border police and numbers can be certified. Or we can close borders and WF will be viewed on cameras FOREVER ![]() I can see it now, a triumvirate, Nio, WF and myself. Now all we need is an off-shore platform, currency and loads of people to be loosely ruled by us
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| Kartoffel Kanzler | Jul 26 2008, 09:30 PM Post #105 |
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next government discussion: Fascism. first created in italy, although it had it's roots in the progressive movement. It had/has many branches including national socialism, among others. |
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| Niongor | Jul 27 2008, 11:17 AM Post #106 |
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The idea of "open borders" actually offends me... It's a frankly utterly stupid and dangerous ideal of the left who also advocate against flags, while waving their red banners. The United Kingdom and the Republic of Ireland actually have/had an open border which will be abandoned in the coming two years by the movement-monitoring obsessed Labour government and the Irish will be checked coming into the UK. I find it deeply hypocritical that the British government wants to impose restrictions on movements in the UK by the Irish yet will further remove restrictions on continental travellers, an estimated 30% of which come here illegally...that's the kind of "brains" running this country right now. No wonder 2 million Britons have left the UK since 1997, they've been replaced by 2.5 million moving to the UK, however. <_< As for fascism, in its purest form, I've said before, it's ignorant, lazy and plain misguided to call it "extreme right-wing". If anything fascism is "extreme centre" due their inate mistrust of all things left and right. We must remember this "national socialism" is socialism in name only. Although employed the idea of nationalising utility services, they believed that almost everything else was up for sale. Fascism is like communism, it can be applied in different ways. The communism of Cuba has largely benefitted the nation, although isolated it and deprived it, and the communism in China and the USSR was brutal and suppressive. Likewise, the fascism employed by Hitler was grossly misguided, whereas the first fascist leader, Mussellini was actually widely praised for giving Italy an economy and military to rival the European powers. Fascism ultimately benefits the institutions of the nation it takes place in. Germany, Italy and Chile were all under the leadership of fascism and all have these fascist governments to thank for their economic might. However, fascist governments, like communist regimes, are famed for their suppression of freedoms of expression, democracy and of course opposition. |
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| West Fryslan | Jul 27 2008, 04:37 PM Post #107 |
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What can I say other than? HERE, HERE! :lol: Open borders have been a disaster for Netherlands over population exploded when Schengen was signed because everyone from Belgium and Germany and beyond who had a crap life came to the Netherlands to be free and equal. If you want it so bad why not be a hero and make it happen in your own country! But I guess somebody will now call me 'racist' for saying these things or something. Funny the UK is one of the most anti-immigrant countries I have lived in but your government never listens! Puts what EU says ahead of what British people say. |
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| Kartoffel Kanzler | Jul 28 2008, 11:42 AM Post #108 |
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Woo USA has it good not bein in the E.U, but we are in the UN....... |
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| Niongor | Jul 29 2008, 11:51 AM Post #109 |
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I'm not a big fan of the UN either...
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| Omnivorous | Jul 29 2008, 02:03 PM Post #110 |
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We had guessed that
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| Kartoffel Kanzler | Jul 29 2008, 02:37 PM Post #111 |
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im very proud of the U.S.A and could be considered a nationalist(not a nazi) which is the same as "patriot." However i hate how CALIFORNIANS are letting the government make up their minds, they NEED SOME BACK BONE! |
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| Kartoffel Kanzler | Jul 29 2008, 09:42 PM Post #112 |
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obama Oh how i hate it when he does things horribly yet doesn't get the attention he deserves, but somehow when mccain does something very small they blow off his whole points in a very good speech, but only talks about his routine checkup, how i hate today's media, it's an evil that wraps around our necks and everytime i see that, it gets tighter.... |
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| Fin | Jul 29 2008, 10:16 PM Post #113 |
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You know what media does not make me mad but happy. The Moose Bi-weekly, the newspaer of Canada. So come join the crew of the moose and bring back the true journalisim. |
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| Kartoffel Kanzler | Jul 30 2008, 01:23 AM Post #114 |
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i must respectfully decline your genorous offer, i could only report on idahoan affairs or the affairs of my dear, dear country. |
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| Omnivorous | Jul 30 2008, 10:17 AM Post #115 |
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[size0]Nice try Fin, I know it's hard trying to recruit people to join in
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| Kartoffel Kanzler | Jul 31 2008, 05:35 PM Post #116 |
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Sometimes a dictatorship is beneficial to a country if they people want one, and are willing to work for it, then i have no problem with a dictatorship, as long as the people support it or else and oligarchy would form which would in turn lead to many troubles. Sometimes a dictatorship leads to democracy. Sometimes they never change, sometimes they succede beyond expectations, it all relies on the leader and the people. It isn't the best government but it sure isn't the worst. I'd rather live in a free dictatorship than a police state democracy.(if that's possible oh wait, norway, so yeah it's quite possible)... next gov type: Paternal autocracy(overall) |
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| Niongor | Aug 1 2008, 09:58 AM Post #117 |
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There are no examples I can think of where people WANTED a dictator. Dictatorships have indeed benefitted some countries, Germany, Italy, Cuba and Chile to name some. However for every advantage you find for the dictatorship, you can find a disadvantage. Therefore, I think it's best to say, not that some dictatorships are good, but rather some dictatorships aren't so bad (a subtle but significant difference). I think Mussellini's Italy is perhaps the only dictatorship I can think of where cons do not outweigh pros. He brought Italy strength both politically and economically as well as militaristically, however, he ruined it all when he got involved with Hitler (which some might argue he had no choice other than to do). Dictatorships do sometimes lead to democracy, but this is usually only after a bloody coup or a civil war. Last thing:
What in the name of God are you talking about?! Norway is one of the most free countries on Earth. It regularly comes in the top five free-est nations in the world! Norway is one of the few nations in Europe that do not have ID cards you must carry everywhere and although it has stricter laws for certain crimes than other European counterparts that certainly doesn't qualify it to be called a "police state". It is a very liberal society, even compared to Canada! Saying Norway is a "police state democracy" is just ridiculous and extremely misguided! Nor is Norway a "free dictatorship". They have the same political system in place as Sweden and Denmark, two more of the world's free-est countries. In fact the political structure of Norway is almost identical to that of the UK. You have grossly misrepresented Norway in your previous comments and truth be told I'm almost offended at how purely empty your knowledge of Norway is if this is what you truly think of Norway's government. |
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| West Fryslan | Aug 1 2008, 04:06 PM Post #118 |
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Totally agree, another HERE HERE from me on this one Kit. |
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| Kartoffel Kanzler | Aug 1 2008, 06:40 PM Post #119 |
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some democracies are worse than dictatorships, right now the patriot act is nothing a true patriot would allow, the u.s.a is not really a democracy more of an oligarchy, and it is not free, nor will it in the near future. The cons here outweight the pros really... no place can be truly safe and happy if there is not a police force, or else criminals would run rampant, and therefore "free" has another side: "Police." Police are needed and sometimes they can get overpowering, like in the United states with the patriot act. Sometimes police are not strong enough. next gov: Theocracy, coincidentaly islam in both france and britian are strong enough that sharia law is considered possible by an archduke in britian, these are always similiar to dictatorships. Theocracies have been existant but not always popular, the catholic church could be considered one of these back in old europe. Until Herr Martin Luther brought about the changes and destroyed it's power. |
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| Fin | Aug 1 2008, 11:52 PM Post #120 |
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Wow wow wow, slow down pops i cant keep up with the beat. Why is nio being called Kit? Is he that cub from Tail Spin..maybe?? I don't know. |
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