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SFTDOG; Society For The Discussion Of Government
Topic Started: Jul 14 2008, 10:54 AM (1,456 Views)
Kartoffel Kanzler
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tehehe SFTDOG, sounds like softdog, but anyway this society is devoted to debating, and learning about the many diffrent government types and explaining what they did, who led them, and if there are any famous ones. Debate should be non-threatening and be prepared to debate hard though.

i'll start with one type and i'll add more every day or week or so, depending on how busy i am. If you want to put a government you like, go right ahead.

Despotism: It was a government type that was originally the catch all government for most ancient civilizations. It was basically a government where 1 man/woman ruled with power probably from the army. A famous one would probably be Nazi Germany due to hitlers single ruler-ness.

oh yeahhhh you can also post something like a party or sub-government type within a certain government.

like for despotism you could have fascists, national socialists and communists under it due to their despot rulers.
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Almonaster
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I think you need to be careful to distinguish between the theory of communism and "communism" as it has arisen in RL. True communism is democratic.

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Kartoffel Kanzler
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yes but unfortunately, human nature will always crave one thing or another and usually it's power or greed, and sometimes megalomaniacs get into high places and change things to differ from where they started.

"Absolute power corrupts absolutely."
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In the same idea, "true fascism" is democratic.

Communists in the USSR, China and Cuba held revolutions to gain power, however the facsists in Italy and Germany were both (at first) honestly elected to power.

In the Netherlands we are actually taught this. We are also taught that Mussellini should be treated as a valid political figure and not just a "fascist pig". The Dutch are very good at instilling balance of argument and for every point made against one set of principles, there can and must be a point made for such. This is how our tolerance for all but intolerance came into being.
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Almonaster
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Which means that despotism can arise under any form of government.

My point was that the theory of NS and Fascism support a strong central leader, whereas communism does not.

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Kartoffel Kanzler
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yep, italians started fascism, national socialism was somewhat of a distinct branch. If you wanna learn how national socialism is on the left side you should read this epic book: Liberal Fascism by jonan golberg i think...

anyways, they used democracy to destroy itself.

communism was still under a despot with stalin, he did do the great purge.
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West Fryslan
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04:57 PM
Which means that despotism can arise under any form of government.

My point was that the theory of NS and Fascism support a strong central leader, whereas communism does not.

Communism does support a strong central leader. Stalin, Mao Zedong and Fidel Castro. All were strong, autocratic leaders.
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Kartoffel Kanzler
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despotism was a unifying force in the ancient world though... back then it was eat or be eaten. It wasn't good, but you used what you had back then.
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West Fryslan,Jul 14 2008
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Almonaster,Jul 14 2008
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Which means that despotism can arise under any form of government.

My point was that the theory of NS and Fascism support a strong central leader, whereas communism does not.

Communism does support a strong central leader. Stalin, Mao Zedong and Fidel Castro. All were strong, autocratic leaders.

You keep missing the important words "the theory of..."
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Kartoffel Kanzler
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i understand your viewpoint the theory was democratic somewhat except for the revolution part.
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Kartoffel Kanzler,Jul 14 2008
01:19 PM
i understand your viewpoint the theory was democratic somewhat except for the revolution part.

Well, in Russia, Lenin felt that only a revolution could bring true change. Besides, Marx also believed that a revolution was a crucial part of the establishment of communism. Although revolutions may not be democratic, they can establish democratic states. Not in the case of the USSR of course.
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Kartoffel Kanzler
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yep, usa was democratic established by revolution.
however nowadays revolutions and the resulting governments can go corrupt extremely easy and often do for their own betterment.
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'Republic'

A form of government where one country is broken up into several smaller states that provide to benifit the whole of the country. Each 'state' has one 'representitave' to represent the state in senate/congress/etc.
The Leader of a Republic government is often refered to as a 'Priemer', similar to the Canadian Government system

The Strength in this form of Government is that the Leader, like a democracy, is still subject to the people, and can be removed if he/she goes too far astray

The Weakness is that it is sometimes hard to reach compromise among numerous member states, and many views can be put on at once.

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Kartoffel Kanzler
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the romans (originally) were a republic, but it failed, due to too much bickering, so GJC swept it out mostly. Soon they became an empire that nearly conquered the earth. Republics can win or fail miserably from the people in it, and their leaders.
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Mirahge
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Its basically just like the UN

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Kartoffel Kanzler
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ew the UN... ewwwww it does nothing, look at rwanda... it doesn't really respect it's members only it's leaders... loook at the monarchy thread thingy...
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Mirahge
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Aw, its not all bad, its main goal is world peace, after all, right?

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Kartoffel Kanzler
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world peace sounds cool an all, but it's impossible, mankind has a heart full of much including lust for many things including power and unfortunately it corrupts people and leaders, such as corporations and nations and the un. plus ethnic, religious and many other diffrences create prejudice and hate. It's an impossible concept, but it had a heart of gold ideal to it.
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As much as I hate to admit it, I don't think world peace is possible either. There will always be people who want power and will abuse it. Same reason why Communism is always bound to fail. It says in the Communist Manifesto that there is a certain point in Communism where government is no longer needed and will eventually dissolve. Of course that never happened because of people who are greedy and want power. Same thing with world peace. There may be a leader who gets elected(yay them!) but then their power may be threatened. What do they do? Kill those who are a threat. That then gets other people involved and soon you have a huge conflict.
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Kartoffel Kanzler
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yep the "great purge" was a great example, and anarchy nary be a good government choice, if as many freedoms as it grants could exist, conflicts would devastate it(the country and it's people) to horrible extremes. Example: protests going violent with no gov intervention and hundreds could be killed in a counter protest. Another example: no modesty... people start making each other mad and soon 2 diffrent groups are at each others throats.
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