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| Topic Started: Jul 12 2008, 03:20 PM (142 Views) | |
| Woolcott | Jul 12 2008, 03:20 PM Post #1 |
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Canada's Jamie Bell.
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No need to sign up. Just comment if you like. Same with the other gruops I start. I want debate. Our first piece: Michael Moore and the Sodomobile Description: Michael Moore and the Sodomobile get back at some homophobic fanatics. From the two season show of Moore's that ran on Bravo in 1999 and 2000- The Awful Truth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABH_RFeeGAs Discuss. |
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| Ess | Jul 12 2008, 07:26 PM Post #2 |
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Loved what Moore and friends did and loathe Phelps and fellow dipwads... |
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| Woolcott | Jul 12 2008, 07:28 PM Post #3 |
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Canada's Jamie Bell.
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=A7addd1-SY8 Ellen Degeneres Vs. John McCain: Gay Marriage |
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| Woolcott | Jul 12 2008, 07:33 PM Post #4 |
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Canada's Jamie Bell.
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=Y3huRVrckY8 Clinton on Ellen discussing gay marriage |
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| Almonaster | Jul 12 2008, 09:57 PM Post #5 |
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I think the state has no business getting involved in marriage at all. Where there are legal issues at stake, let's have a "life partnership" or some such term apply to any couple (or group) who want to hold assets in common, allow access across privacy boundaries, and generally share each other's lives. "Marriage" then becomes purely a matter for religious groups, and may or may not coincide with the state-based life partnership, but has no legal validity in it's own right beyond an expression of intent. That way everyone is equal before the law, religions are free to hold to their own beliefs, and church and state are separated as they should be. |
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| Pez201 | Jul 13 2008, 10:42 AM Post #6 |
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I have "The Awful Truth" seasons one and two on DVD... the sodomobile was very funny, partly because the people on the bus were acting so gay and pissing off everyone else. ![]() I really can't see the problem with gay marriages/same-sex unions.
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| Woolcott | Jul 13 2008, 11:32 AM Post #7 |
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Canada's Jamie Bell.
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Ya, I know it's a tolerant crowd, I am just posting these for edu-kay-shun. |
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| Boreal Tundra | Jul 13 2008, 03:39 PM Post #8 |
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As Marriage as a state institution is older than the religious institution (and likely even older as a business transaction) it would make far more sense for the term to be used to refer to the legal contract between adults of legal age and informed consent rather than a number of similar, but not necessarily the same, religious unions and/or transactions, some of which are ethically questionable at best. (Dontcha love run on sentences!) If the religious don't like the removal of discriminatory policies from the laws, they are still quite free to discriminate within their own memberships in whatever way they please. |
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| Niongor | Jul 13 2008, 03:45 PM Post #9 |
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Giver of the *Hi-5*
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I oppose gay marriage. I dislike the fact that nowadays, you're pretty much a Nazi or some other kind of huge racist if you don't support gay marriage. I vehemently support the notion of us all being human and that all peoples should have the security of the self, that is, you are no less of a person because of colour, gender, sexuality, creed or class. I support gay rights. I believe no man or woman should be killed or in any other way harmed because of their being gay, and I oppose all those regimes (especially in Africa and the Middle East) where gays are made scapegoats and are killed for being who they are. However, to put it simply, I just don't support gay marriage. Civil unions/partnerships, sure, just not marriage. I was raised religious. This instilled several values I will never waver on. One of those values was to love each and every person for who they are and never to judge unless they judge me. I don't feel offended because gay people want to get married; I just feel it's an institution between man and woman. An ancient practise and symbol of union that will create the next generation. (Before someone executes me for using the word "religious" in regards to describing myself, I'd appreciate it if people didn't blame me for the stance of a given religion. I was raised religious, I do not live my life true to every word of the bible, therefore spare me the usual selective quotes stating how all Christians have a responsibilty to hate gay people.) I support civil unions/partnerships. My mother's youngest sister had her civil union in South Africa (the only nation in Africa that actually recognises same-sex marriage) and I attended that. It was actually a nice ceremony apart from one of my aunt's "wife's" reletives fainting because of the heat (my mother did say "don't have it in summer!")...anyway! Like I said, I support these unions, just not full on marriage. I think it's something that should be reserved for the joining of man and woman. I don't think I'm intolerant for opposing them, though I have a feeling I'm likely to be branded such. I'm sure I'll have no doubt offended everyone for airing my view on this, but we do afterall have freedom of speech and association, thus as much as there are allowed to be supporters of gay marriage, there are allowed to be opposers. |
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| Niongor | Jul 13 2008, 03:51 PM Post #10 |
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Giver of the *Hi-5*
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That's a good way of putting it! The only problem is in the UK, if the state recognises something, the Church of England (as state church) also, by default, recognises it. The reason I support civil unions is because it's state recognition, but not religious recognition, but like I said, in the UK, one is the other, etc. (Ah the problems of state religion!) |
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| Woolcott | Jul 13 2008, 05:51 PM Post #11 |
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Canada's Jamie Bell.
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But you have to understand that to us, Niongor, that is to say the gay community, it sounds like you are saying seperate but equal. |
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| Almonaster | Jul 13 2008, 11:03 PM Post #12 |
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Which leads to the reasoning behind my proposal. |
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| Mirahge | Jul 14 2008, 12:43 AM Post #13 |
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And you say I have problems!
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Why shouldn'y gay people be not allowed to get married? Because some Bible says so? Sure, I'm a Christian, but to not allow people to be happy together, just because the church says so? Why can't they get married, its pretty much the same as Living together, anyway. By the way, Nio, even though i'm opposed to what you say, i don't view you as a Nazi Racist, i respect you as another person with a diffrent view of something.
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| Gold Antilles | Jul 14 2008, 06:30 AM Post #14 |
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I'm gay and I do not believe in gay marriage. You may think thats a bit like being black and being opposed to civil rights, except it isn't. Civil rights are inalienable the right to marry isn't. My main problem is that we spent all this time trying to be recognized as a seperate group of people, all this time distinguishing ourselves as the gay community and now we're abandoning it all just to be the same as the straight people we were trying to be seperately recognized from in the first place. Wool you said "sounds like seperate but equal" personally I don't mind seperate but equal, we're still equal, however seperate. Means each community can recognize and not recognize what it wants. Kinda keeps everyone happy. I live in Bermuda and this is a country that smiles to the outside world but you've signed your social death certificate if you are gay. Sure, you're not going to get killed for being gay but people will avoid you like you had the black death or something and you'd never be able to go out without being harassed or something. Maybe its because Bermuda isn't so advanced gay rights wise that I feel just recognizing gay people as being allowed basic human rights like any other person is enough for me. We don't need to go too far and undo all the work we've done in order to recognize us as a seperate community by forcing our wants down others throats. |
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| Pez201 | Jul 14 2008, 09:03 AM Post #15 |
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From reading the above posts, it's obvious that we've got a lot of different views. ![]() For my own background, I'm white hetrosexual male (rasied in a fundamentalist church) from a small country town... if anyone here was going to dislike gays, it was going to be me... and for a long time that was true, I really thought there was something wrong with gay people, because of their sinful lifestyles. I was genuinly homophobic until my early teen years. Not to the point of violence, certainly not, but to the point of "you are leading a life of sin and need to be corrected". The irony was that my school principal was a lesbian and no one seemed to care, not even me (except my mother). It was only when I analysed why I disliked gays (I had no idea why I disliked them, to be honest) that I realised that there was no reason.
I guess that's another thing... if you're living in a place where gay marriage is off the radar, you're not going to be thinking about it much. |
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| Kartoffel Kanzler | Jul 14 2008, 10:47 AM Post #16 |
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Idaho is like the conservative haven, yet we really don't care, we'd rather work hard and get our jobs done efficiently, and well. I believe gays should be allowed civil unions, now, you may not agree with me, but please don't call me a nazi. |
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| West Fryslan | Jul 14 2008, 11:49 AM Post #17 |
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I come from the Netherlands a nation that was one of the first in the world to fully legalise gay marriage. As of right now, I personally don't ever want to get married but at least the option is there. I feel that gay people have pretty much forced gay marriage on people. Look at UK and Netherlands. Both nations showed about two thirds of people were against civil unions/gay marriage yet the government of each country forced it through and that annoyed many straight people and created a silent divide between the two communities. nobody made much of a fuss but there was still a lot of feeling over its being forced on them regardless of what the majority straight people felt or thought. One politician in the Netherlands, and who has always supported gay marriage, said it was like a gay/straight apartheid whereby the minority gays were having much more say over these issues than the majority straights. Now I know he was being dramatic but I coudl see his point. You may say "it doesn't concern straight though" but it does because it affects the whole country and community. Public referendum would be best to see if gay marriage was approved for the community or not but as always the government steps over the majorities to cater for minorities and I say that as a gay person myself. Sorry to hear you live in such a place GA. I know the caribbean especially Jamaica can be very intolerant places but maybe one day you may become one of the people to change this? |
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