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British Monarchy; keep 'em or ditch 'em?
Topic Started: Jun 13 2008, 07:52 PM (343 Views)
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disposablepuppetland,Jun 23 2008
11:09 AM
At least with a bad monarch you can blame it on bad luck. Image how embarrassing it would be to elect an ignorant, warmongering fool to be the country's figurehead.

:rofl: Hahaha! Funny...funny stuff...

My opinion on the House of Lords is that it should be replaced with a like-for-like model of the Australian Senate. They have similar powers to the Lords in the UK yet they are elected, serve double the length of those in the Representatives, and what is more: the Australian Senate is proportionally elected, therefore it almost always represents the people's true opinion.

In my eyes Australia has the best democracy in the Western World (well, for now). We have a House of Representatives that is scared of the voters due to the frequency and fullness of elections. With everyone being required by law to vote, that's one populace you dare not p*ss off.

We have a Senate that is a accurate political cross section of the nation and that has almost equal powers to the Representatives, therefore being able to block any legislation that a radical House of Representatives proposes.

We have a neutral and non-partisan Head of State, and although she resides abroad, she is the Queen of Australia nonetheless! In the 70s Prince Charles expressed interest in becoming the Governor-General of Australia. At the time, however, there was something of a political turmoil. However, I believe this would've strengthened the Australian monarchy and I believe that Prince William should be asked to come serve as our Governor-General.

Anyway, again, i'm rambling on :blush: so I'll wrap it up with the national anthem of one nation, known as the Royal anthem in Australia:

GOD SAVE THE QUEEN! :cheers:
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Niongor,Jun 23 2008
12:49 PM
My opinion on the House of Lords is that it should be replaced with a like-for-like model of the Australian Senate. They have similar powers to the Lords in the UK yet they are elected, serve double the length of those in the Representatives, and what is more: the Australian Senate is proportionally elected, therefore it almost always represents the people's true opinion.

Nothing can ever truly be proportionate of a demographic's opinion. :wall:


That's why we have monarchies :P
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Omnivorous,Jun 23 2008
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Niongor,Jun 23 2008
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My opinion on the House of Lords is that it should be replaced with a like-for-like model of the Australian Senate.  They have similar powers to the Lords in the UK yet they are elected, serve double the length of those in the Representatives, and what is more: the Australian Senate is proportionally elected, therefore it almost always represents the people's true opinion.

Nothing can ever truly be proportionate of a demographic's opinion. :wall:


That's why we have monarchies :P

That is fair enough actually, Omni! :yes:

I find in Australia, political opinion is more stable than the UK, in the UK we get ten years of red, twenty of blue, ten of red again and so forth and so one. In Australia the political spectrum usually only landslides when a massive social issue comes up for grabs. In Australia they very much vote on who will be the better "manager" of government and in that respect the Senate very much reflects the political tastes of the people at the time.

Also, in Australia, elections (rightly) take place every 3 years, unlike the UK where they can take place as few as every five years. I guarantee Brown will make this current parliament last right up until June 2010. Anyway, I digress...

The monarchy is, of course, in my view the best guage and representative of public opinion. I honestly think the Queen should have/have used her powers as executive to dismiss this whole Lisbon Treaty crap. A recent poll mentioned on the BBC showed only 1 in 5 support for the Lisbon Treaty in the UK (~20%), yet still the government passed it in the Commons and then again in the Lords. WE THE PEOPLE should've approved or (more likely) disapproved it. Maybe it's because Boring Brown realised he'd never pass it in a million years.

How can a government with only 30% approval really govern a country. I think it's times like this the Queen should have the power to say, "Enough is enough: fresh elections!" Theoretically she has this power, but she has no way to use it with out the almighty UN or *spit* EU having a field day. Pieces of sh*t. As a BIG side note...

I despise the European Union!
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The only reason I like the EU is because I have restriction-less travel through most of Europe; then again, there are plenty of older treaties which allow citizens to travel through Europe without visas (e.g. UK --> Norway)


And we know what the UN does with its resources... <_<
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07:12 PM
The only reason I like the EU is because I have restriction-less travel through most of Europe; then again, there are plenty of older treaties which allow citizens to travel through Europe without visas (e.g. UK --> Norway)

And we know what the UN does with its resources... <_<

^ The Schengen Agreement exists between all members of the European Union and the European Free Trade Agreement, except the UK and Ireland whom are not signed up to the Schengen Agreement. Plus it's to do with the length of time you stay. A stay of two weeks or less isn't going to bother Norway/Australia for two weeks but a longer stay and you drain resources more.

The reason Britons get into Norway so easily is the element of trust. We have no passport treaties with Australia yet the British get in with ease (compared to someone from say China or Iran: i.e. less trustworthy countries).

When the UK joined Europe in 1973, one of the clauses (ordered by the jealous, bloated, spineless Frenchman Charlse De Gaulle) stipulated that the UK must end the special relationship with its Commonwealth and end both economic and political ties with such in all but name.

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French president Charles de Gaulle strongly resisted, arguing that the UK was closer to US policies than European ones, and would thus try to "sabotage" the community. Such a fear was understandable, given the past declarations of prominent British politicians: for instance, Winston Churchill had declared to de Gaulle in 1944 that if he ever had to choose between the open sea and the continent, he would always choose the ocean; and if he had to choose between America and Europe, he would always choose the first.


The UK shares history, culture and language with Canada, Australia and New Zealand, yet because De Gaulle said so, the (SH*T) government of the day, abandoned all these links we'd spent 500 years sowing and growing; in favour of becoming the b*tch of a continent we'd spend the better part of 500 years repelling...

Now we, the tax-payers of the UK, give more money to that span of undemocratic and utterly useless sh*t per-head than any other European country. I'd happily fill out moutains of paperwork just to cross the English Channel if it meant that Brussels and the rest of the sh*theads that reside their kept their noses out of BRITISH business!

The most recent insult came when President Nicholas Sarkozy (a man I formerly liked) said the British should hand over an aircraft carrier (oh, nothing small then) to FRENCH control?!?!?! The Dutch Airforce has already been handed over to German command...and yet people still laugh when you say "Europe is moving towards becoming a nation!"

• A single currency
• A single Europe-wide passport
• A centralised government
• A seperate judicial system
• A European Parliament with full legislative powers which overrite individual national laws
• Inteference in internal affairs of its member states (including ordering Austria to rehold an election which "didn't favour continued European membership")
• A common foreign policy
• A suggested "common defence policy" (i.e. creation of a European Defence Force, which has already began)
• A suggested "common Europe-wide language" (which would not be English or German, the most widely spoken second and first languages in Europe)
• A "harmonised taxation system" (which favours higher personal and business taxes as per the "ideal" (read "Belgian") modal...)
• Belgium suggesting the UK and France hand over their nuclear arms to the control of Brussels
• A failed attempt at an actual constitution, since renamed "Treaty of Lisbon" (which Ireland rejected but will no doubt later be forced into either: (1) holding a second referendum to be won by the "Yes" vote; or (2) approving it anyway!)

You cannot seriously expect people to believe that the European Union is not becoming a country in its own right (a country NOBODY voted for - there's how democratic the E-b*****d-U is...)

I believe the EU should be a trading bloc only, as it was initially meant to be. Norway, Switzerland and Iceland are non-EU members and they have the same economic/free trade relationships with the EU as EU-members do.

EDIT: Just found this. I new this existed but didn't know its name, perhaps now my points will no longer seem exaggerated...
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I live in the Netherlands and we have our own monarchy but they not as cool as the British monarchy. Most people in the Netherlands like the monarchy but the British monarchy always out stage them. The only thing we can claim is our royals are apparently richest in Europe. (I would have thought Liechtenstein, but?)

I think the monarchy is good thing. For many reasons the main one being they are a symbol and person for all to engage and stand united with.

As for the European Union, in the Netherlands most take a pro-EU stance. Most think it's a good thing but I am one of a growing number who now question the Netherland's position in the EU and what benefits we're supposed to be getting. France is too much of a bully in the EU they spit the pacifier out if they don't get their way. Now Poland is acting this way. They become the France of eastern europe maybe?
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With the EU, everyone loses out a bit: the major countries give lots to the poorer countries in plans like the CAP (though France take most of that <_< ) and the poorer countries lose out on the "exodus" of cheap, well-qualified employees (doctors, nurses, plumbers :P )


The UK always views things differently as we are separated from the mainland :shrug:
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I am from the USA, and I have traveled to almost all of Western Europe. Britain was created by it's monarchy, it's empire and influence felt all thoughout the world, we would't be the grand earth we are without it. It's rulers have made mistakes, but everyone does. If it wasn't for the monarchy of GB, the UN wouldn't exist today. Personally I love the idea of a parliamentary monarchy(weird, me being in the USA and all but still)look at the facts. They created this earth, they created lots, they did much. Sure their mistakes created the USA, but i still believe it should be preserved. The UK's human rights is better than most of the earth. The UN couldn't make that arguement. As far as i am concerned, the UN is a bunch of dumba$$e$ for even thinking such a thing, the facts show that monarchy is what the british were made from, they united the world. And if this is how the world repays them, then i am ashamed of the UN and what it's done. IF THEY WANT TO LOOK AT HUMAN RIGHTS LOOK AT RWANDA THEY DID NOTHING! sorry, im new, but this ticked me off.
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Kartoffel Kanzler,Jul 2 2008
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I am from the USA, and I have traveled to almost all of Western Europe. Britain was created by it's monarchy, it's empire and influence felt all thoughout the world, we would't be the grand earth we are without it. It's rulers have made mistakes, but everyone does. If it wasn't for the monarchy of GB, the UN wouldn't exist today. Personally I love the idea of a parliamentary monarchy(weird, me being in the USA and all but still)look at the facts. They created this earth, they created lots, they did much. Sure their mistakes created the USA, but i still believe it should be preserved. The UK's human rights is better than most of the earth. The UN couldn't make that arguement. As far as i am concerned, the UN is a bunch of dumba$$e$ for even thinking such a thing, the facts show that monarchy is what the british were made from, they united the world. And if this is how the world repays them, then i am ashamed of the UN and what it's done. IF THEY WANT TO LOOK AT HUMAN RIGHTS LOOK AT RWANDA THEY DID NOTHING! sorry, im new, but this ticked me off.

Dam good point on Rwanda there Kar! The UN did nothing while that massacre went down, at the time they just said "Not our mandate!" Yet somehow it's the UN's mandate to tell people how to govern their own nation?!

I really dislike the UN.
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It is interesting although I disagree with this point:
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If it wasn't for the monarchy of GB, the UN wouldn't exist today.


The League of Nations which was the precursor to the United Nations, was suggested by the American Delegate President Wilson at the Treaty of Versailles in Paris,France when they where discussing what should go into the peace settlement. Although the League of Nations failed because of WWII, I think the reason we have the UN now is because of the League of nations...

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what i meant by that statement was if the british didn't colonize the americas, africa, and india, then we would be very diffrent today. It's similiar to if rome didn't have an empire or if greece have alexander. League of Nations was horrible... such a failure.
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Kartoffel Kanzler,Jul 3 2008
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what i meant by that statement was if the british didn't colonize the americas, africa, and india, then we would be very diffrent today. It's similiar to if rome didn't have an empire or if greece have alexander. League of Nations was horrible... such a failure.

I understand your point now. That's true about the British though. In 1960 South Africa voted to become a republic because Great Britain refused to endorse the policy of apartheid.

The British introduced democracy to one quarter of the world's population! When they left, many of those democracies lost law and order and justice and equality. The British certainly kept a stern hold on things. When they were given independence, ever single dominion of Great Britain had a democracy in place. The British left and two thirds of these nations had democracy overthrown within five years.

The British empire became the first nation on earth to ban slavery. Fair enough, they had been a part of it beforehand, but at least they took a step towards solution. Every other nation that abolished slavery did so in the shadow of Britain. Shame it all went down the pan.

With the British South Africa had wealth, prosperity, equality and justice for all...when they left, sure we had the same things...so long as you were white.

Despite what all the liberal filth in "modern" Britain says, I believe the British Empire served more good than harm. Nowadays, the British are made to be ashamed of their past. Soft government after soft government have practically made it an offence to say you're proud of your nation...unless of course you're watching sport...in which case you may quietly wave a small flag and applaud politely when on cue.

I honestly think the British need to remember something very important: your small island conquered the world!

That's why it deeply angers me to see modern Britain being pushed around and bullied by the likes of the UN and the EU and just taking it. We played vital roles in creating both of them sh*t organistions. Just 100 years ago the British would've obliterated either if they'd tried, nay dared, interfere...nowadays, corrupt, beaureaucratic, self-serving c**ts like Gordon "Slack Jaw Whore" Brown just stand with their fake smiles, bent over backwards.

Gordon Brown and Tony Blair are very much the type of sly republicans you get in British politics. They do it for one aim...they all want to be in that top spot. Imagine if the British had a President. It would be someone absolutely f**king atrocious like *SHUDDER* Neil Kinnock *THROWS UP*.
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I don't know what you're all getting so worked up about. Once the New World Order socialist government has been appointed, and we've all been microchipped and had our lobotomies, and we have the government poking its nose into our business to "protect" us, we will all be very happy people. :yes:
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Pez201,Jul 3 2008
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I don't know what you're all getting so worked up about. Once the New World Order socialist government has been appointed, and we've all been microchipped and had our lobotomies, and we have the government poking its nose into our business to "protect" us, we will all be very happy people. :yes:

:rofl: :rofl:

Very funny Pez!! Give that man some money! :lol:

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