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Digital Painting
Topic Started: Feb 17 2013, 05:17 AM (1,220 Views)
Fal
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If you want to post blunt responses on your perspective, you should expect to receive the same. With blatant disregard to any consideration, labeling my work as "ugly, creepy, weird, awkward, and ect" with lack of explanation is utterly disrespectful. That is the clarity of the situation. This was not posted so it could be constantly ridiculed, insulted or reviewed inaccurately by below mediocrity. Do not miscue this irritation out of arrogance. I am mediocre. You can express your dubious opinions without your insolent words or context. But do not expect to disrespect me or my work and in return for me to honor your posts.
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^ he's madder than an irish man on games u.u
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Raikiri Iketani
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Feb 19 2013, 03:20 PM
If you want to post blunt responses on your respective, you should expect to receive the same. With blatant disregard to any consideration, labeling my work as "ugly, creepy, weird, awkward, and ect" with lack of explanation is utterly disrespectful. That is the clarity of the situation. This was not posted so it could be constantly ridiculed, insulted or reviewed inaccurately by below mediocrity. Do not miscue this irritation out of arrogance. I am mediocre. You can express your dubious opinions without your insolent words or context. But do not expect to disrespect me or my work and in return for me to honor your posts.
And you're getting mad at somebody for expressing their opinion. Like how people get mad at you for expressing your opinion. And then you say that they need to stop being so sensitive.

When you post something on the forums, you should expect ridicule, insults, and inaccurate reviews. It is a goddamn Naruto forum. With a shitton of teenagers. Immature teenagers. Remember that topic on the community? Remember how I addressed them? See where I'm getting here?

How many people on this forum are professional artists (as in they get a paycheck and support themselves with it)? How many of them are classically trained? How many of them are extensively trained in said classical training? How many of them know what to look for in art?

...Do you see where I'm getting here? You say you're mediocre. Ok. Fine. Want to stop being mediocre? Then get PROFESSIONALS to critique you. PROFESSIONALS are the people who get paid for it, so they should be the first people you ask, not random artistically untrained teenagers. Stop *****ing that those same artistically untrained teenagers are being artistically untrained teenagers, and those untrained people are giving you inaccurate reviews. They are giving you their honest untrained opinion (even if you think their methodology is wrong) and you're getting unnecessarily defensive.
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I'm not mad. I'm not disrespecting you any further than you have me. This "It is a goddamn Naruto forum. With a shitton of teenagers. Immature teenagers. " on the other hand implies you're upset.

Nobody needs to be a professional artist. If you don't have the ability to correctly critique something, then perhaps you shouldn't try. As I said, you can express your dubious opinions without your insolent words or context. I accept and understand others not liking my work. Those that didn't like the post, I considered not to like the picture. Which is completely reasonable to me.

I did ask professionals first. Not people online. People I know that were trained. Their comments were mostly reflective around what they referred to as the "smoke" and it created a nice flow and composition with the eyes, but it was too distracting around focal points.

"Then get PROFESSIONALS to critique you. PROFESSIONALS are the people who get paid for it, so they should be the first people you ask, not random artistically untrained teenagers. Stop *****ing that those same artistically untrained teenagers are being artistically untrained teenagers, and those untrained people are giving you inaccurate reviews. "

You seem too upset over my post. Honestly, nothing I said was out of line or even unexpected. You're basically just insulting yourself at this point. It's a bit embarrassing.
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I'm not upset by pointing out that there are a lot of immature teenagers. It's just that. Pointing it out. Because it's obvious. I also don't think you understand what the word "basically" means. I'm not being any more "insolent" than you have been to anybody.
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Do not miscue this irritation out of arrogance.

Irritation is an actual synonym for anger, so yes...you are angry. But I don't think you really understand that I'm not upset. Because the picture I don't really care for. For reasons which I've already stated but you decided to dismiss.

You know, as a result of you being angry.
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You called yourself an immature, untrained teenager. Although describing the community, you detailed yourself. So yes, you are basically insulting yourself at this point. You brought up your "irritation" of the community when it wasn't even a part of the subject.

Correcting you is me being upset to you. Your outburst of the community is you being apathetic?

Your logic is reliant on this. "Do not miscue this irritation out of arrogance." = Upset

"Then get PROFESSIONALS to critique you. PROFESSIONALS are the people who get paid for it, so they should be the first people you ask, not random artistically untrained teenagers. Stop *****ing that those same artistically untrained teenagers are being artistically untrained teenagers, and those untrained people are giving you inaccurate reviews." = Not upset

Okay, Ryuuka.
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Feb 19 2013, 05:39 PM
You called yourself an immature, untrained teenager. Although describing the community, you detailed yourself. So yes, you are basically insulting yourself at this point. You brought up your "irritation" of the community when it wasn't even a part of the subject.

Correcting you is me being upset to you. Your outburst of the community is you being apathetic?

Your logic is reliant on this. "Do not miscue this irritation out of arrogance." = Upset

"Then get PROFESSIONALS to critique you. PROFESSIONALS are the people who get paid for it, so they should be the first people you ask, not random artistically untrained teenagers. Stop *****ing that those same artistically untrained teenagers are being artistically untrained teenagers, and those untrained people are giving you inaccurate reviews." = Not upset

Okay, Ryuuka.
I said the forum was filled with immature, untrained teenagers. I never called myself anything. I never detailed myself either. No, I'm not "basically" insulting myself. Once again, I don't think you understand what the word means. My "irritation" of the community wasn't brought up just to bring it up, it was brought up for a reason, which would imply it is, in fact, part of the subject.

You said you're not angry, but you are irritated (not me, but YOU). But irritated and angry are, by definition, the same thing.

My logic isn't solely based on that. As I already pointed out, you were irritated you weren't getting the feedback you wanted, but you were the one talking to the aforementioned untrained and immature teenagers...who are the worst people to talk to to get said feedback. Which...if you really think I'm saying about myself, then it would include you. Because (watch me get off-topic) I don't know any mature people who pretend to be girls, or mature people that hack another person's account (yes, you did say you did) just because you wanted to.

Second point is not upset. It's stating the obvious. Get professional artists to critique you. It should be understood that if they're professional--which means they get paid for it--that they are trained and experienced. And if you ***** at people who are not trained and experienced for giving you bad feedback, that is your problem. Not mine.
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This reminds me of those awkward IRL cosplays some people do.

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Do you have a well drawn samurai manga on hand? I'd like to compare it to this. At first I was reading Feng Shen Ji, when looking at it. But I didn't think you were going for something like that, so I tried comparing it to something like Berserk. But you might not be going for that style either. . .

Although, I might be using incorrect terms or whatever. I did mean what I said about flat, in the first picture in this topic everything under the eyes looked flat. Like an un-shaded circle you get on one of those diagrams in art class. I had the assumption depth meant like shading areas where there are supposed to be cracks or dips.

While in the areas I mentioned it pretty much looked like someone caked make-up on his face, and then decided to shine a nuclear flash light at his face to remove any shadows.

Then if you look below the nose there is nothing there, it is perfectly flat. That looked very eerie to me, in that area people usually have a ridge of some short or a shadow effect to lift(?) the lips and nose up to make it not so smooth(?), and false looking.

I also found the lips to be very thin, there is usually a arch in the upper lip, and the lips are more full in a realistic type setting. There is at least a shadow of some sort under the bottom lip that makes it perk out. When I look at that it just seems like someone cut someones lips off and made them into a sticker and stuck it on.

I think my problem with the eyes might be personal, but to me they didn't look like eyes. More like crystal balls, I don't think I have ever seen a glare like that anywhere and it just looked odd.

It is kind of hard to help you, because I don't really know the correct terms for certain attributes, and can only try by being very general.
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Ryuuka, you are an immature, untrained, irritated teenager that is part of this community. Then you want to say you're not angry, accuse me of being angry, then say you didn't insult yourself? You're beyond reasoning. Count to 10, hit a pillow and calm down. You can't even think right at this point.

My claiming to be a girl is stating a point. That it doesn't matter who or what I am. Maybe you didn't know this. But Fox isn't actually a fox. So he's an immature teenager like yourself? What about Argon? His name isn't really Argon. You're claiming everyone is now an immature untrained teenager. Don't even have to be a part of the community at this point. To you, Anonymous are immature teenagers.



@Fox= Here's a few pictures from some manga. I was mostly looking at their shading and hair more than anything, which is where you can see the most similarities.

Yes, I understand what you meant when I had a conversation with Falcon. He said the same thing, but responded quicker when I asked him what exactly he meant. Which is why I brushed the hair up so that the head itself took more of a shape.

It was too much of a blend of realism and anime to be fair. I took that approach more because of my experience with anime. Take the third picture for instance. There is no ridge or anything, so I didn't particularly bother with it much.

What you said was helpful, it just had to be explained in a different way. Those are indeed improvements thanks to comments from here.

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You really aren't reading at all.
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Fal
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If you had trouble understanding my post, just ask.
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Looks epic. But if you put your work out in public display you're pretty much allowing criticism. So if Ryuuka think it has no expression, so be it. Still looks epic.
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Thanks. I just had my standards set a bit high for Ryuuka. Criticism without even being constructive is fine. Ryuuka just believed he had the right or place. I took the jokes others gave, but if you're going to be disrespectful to me or my work, then you should expect the same response. Especially if it's going to be absolutely wrong. . .

Everything was basically stated that needed to be in my first few posts about it.
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I like it but like Fox said the face really has no depth to it. The shading is much better in the second all except the nose it seems like it's a little too contrast to his skin color.
Other than that it's absolutely beautiful.
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Jul 9 2013, 12:37 PM
Are you really calling out conditions as a way to insult? Just saying retarded was fine but to say autism...smh. No respect.

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