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Does Fire Evaporate water AT ALL!?
Topic Started: Jan 27 2013, 10:42 AM (1,563 Views)
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Jan 27 2013, 03:58 PM
That 4x Knowledge thing is BULLSHIT. I should know. I have about 11k Katon Knowledge and I can still be out done by a mizurappa. As I said, Katon needs a BUFF. They don't get anything like the other elements. The only reason i'm just pointing this out is because I never really was a Katon user but now I see the HUGE disadvantage pure Katon users have.

You have a equal chance of killing yourself, with your own flames. You don't get no type of resistance to your OWN flames, that YOU generate YOUR chakra into. If people have the ability to **** up handseals, or bend someones mind with genjutsu, why couldn't they manipulate their own chakra to do less damage to themselves?

The damage was nerfed like crazy. I have Magma, 24/20 Mastery, 62% Cap (125% with CS on) and I hit probably 125-130 a tick on stamina... Vitality damage is lower. People literally have taken 3 fireballs to the face, and danced around in it. Ask Godon.

Every other element has their defenses, BUT Katon.

Suiton = Syrup, Wall, Hydro Mode.

Raiton = Armor, Stuns, Screws, Raikage Armor.

Doton = Armor, Movestopper, Swamp, Mole.

Fuuton = Wind Trick, Spinning Wind.

Katon = Nothing, Zilch, Nada.

Just saying. I'm not being biased either, but there has to be some kind of balance.

...well, Katon is Katon. It's "Fire Release". Of course you're going to burn yourself. Try not to lolspam Housenka when your target's 1 tile in front of you. That's a legitimate rage topic. That's like saying Doton users take half-damage from Doton because they can use Chakra to protect themselves from i--No. Just.

No.

Anyway. The topic is about Fire evaporating water. Just make it to where you take half-damage on water tiles.

The fire isn't just floating above the water on a 2D game. It's emitting off the ground, which would make sense that it gets put out.

RPS system is the best way to go, in my opinion.

But to do that, you'd have to fix all the elements. It forces people to actually come up with strategy instead of spamming the only thing they know. Right now, Doton cancels out Fuuton and Suiton. Can completely block Katon if it's strong enough.

I have yet to ever cancel out any Raiton with my mainly-Fuuton skill set.

Suiton is nearly useless when you have a Doton tile right next to you.

Raiton cuts through -anything-, including Fuuton; the AoE on water makes it stronger.

Long story short, stop complaining. RPS is the best way to go to best fit in all the elements' problems.



PS: ...Katon? Having a defensive jutsu? Gtfo. It's Katon. Fire is meant to destroy. Lmfao.

Inb4 Katon Armor

(Magma + Suiton = forms a Doton tile. Win.)
Edited by King Of Hearts, Jan 27 2013, 04:11 PM.
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Jan 27 2013, 04:10 PM
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Jan 27 2013, 03:58 PM
That 4x Knowledge thing is BULLSHIT. I should know. I have about 11k Katon Knowledge and I can still be out done by a mizurappa. As I said, Katon needs a BUFF. They don't get anything like the other elements. The only reason i'm just pointing this out is because I never really was a Katon user but now I see the HUGE disadvantage pure Katon users have.

You have a equal chance of killing yourself, with your own flames. You don't get no type of resistance to your OWN flames, that YOU generate YOUR chakra into. If people have the ability to **** up handseals, or bend someones mind with genjutsu, why couldn't they manipulate their own chakra to do less damage to themselves?

The damage was nerfed like crazy. I have Magma, 24/20 Mastery, 62% Cap (125% with CS on) and I hit probably 125-130 a tick on stamina... Vitality damage is lower. People literally have taken 3 fireballs to the face, and danced around in it. Ask Godon.

Every other element has their defenses, BUT Katon.

Suiton = Syrup, Wall, Hydro Mode.

Raiton = Armor, Stuns, Screws, Raikage Armor.

Doton = Armor, Movestopper, Swamp, Mole.

Fuuton = Wind Trick, Spinning Wind.

Katon = Nothing, Zilch, Nada.

Just saying. I'm not being biased either, but there has to be some kind of balance.

...well, Katon is Katon. It's "Fire Release". Of course you're going to burn yourself. Try not to lolspam Housenka when your target's 1 tile in front of you. That's a legitimate rage topic. That's like saying Doton users take half-damage from Doton because they can use Chakra to protect themselves from i--No. Just.

No.

Anyway. The topic is about Fire evaporating water. Just make it to where you take half-damage on water tiles.

The fire isn't just floating above the water on a 2D game. It's emitting off the ground, which would make sense that it gets put out.

RPS system is the best way to go, in my opinion.

But to do that, you'd have to fix all the elements. It forces people to actually come up with strategy instead of spamming the only thing they know. Right now, Doton cancels out Fuuton and Suiton. Can completely block Katon if it's strong enough.

I have yet to ever cancel out any Raiton with my mainly-Fuuton skill set.

Suiton is nearly useless when you have a Doton tile right next to you.

Raiton cuts through -anything-, including Fuuton; the AoE on water makes it stronger.

Long story short, stop complaining. RPS is the best way to go to best fit in all the elements' problems.



PS: ...Katon? Having a defensive jutsu? Gtfo. It's Katon. Fire is meant to destroy. Lmfao.

Inb4 Katon Armor

(Magma + Suiton = forms a Doton tile. Win.)
Oh please. Get off the reality train. This is ****ing Naruto... Matter of fact it's NFF. It's imaginary, fake, not real. Anything can happen. If that's the case Defensive Nagashi should hurt the user too. So should Raiton Armor, since the electricity is flowing through their body.

Katon currently has nothing going for itself. Also, Flame Resist should atleast be a Magma perk. Before I had magma I didn't have that suicide issue. Telling a pure Katon user to not spam Katon is like telling a Hoshi to not use Samehade or a Nara to not use shadows. I understand going pure is the players choice, but like I said there is more disadvantages with Katon than there is advantages.
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Zed, you say katon is weak, but then you say that you KO yourself with it.

120 stamina 90 vitality a tick isn't weak.

The weakness katon has to suiton is fine.
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I think Suiton should beat Katon to a degree. Though I think the 4x knowlage is a tad high. Maybe 2.5 or 3 at least?
2.5-3x it stays on Suiton?
At 4x it evaporates it? Dunno ;o
Dont think Katon needs any buff, as imo Katon has always had the widest attack range, also hits both stam and vit, where other elements only hit one.


Think the issue that Suiton > Katon comes into notice more when the server tends to flock towards an element. Tend to see Fuuton and Suiton the most, so people who use Katon are usually weaker against a bunch of people.


On a side note, have yet to see it (Or maybe I have and didnt notice) Isn't there a Katon Ash thats useable over Suiton?
How is that? ;o
Edited by Renden, Vash, Jan 27 2013, 05:27 PM.
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That Katon Ash Jutsu is pathetic (unless it was buffed) and hurts the user.

Suiton having such a huge advantage over Katon isn't right.

Suiton user uses Water Creation? GG Katon user.

Oh Water creation it's gone a might be able to use some of my flames now!

-noep *uses Baku Suishou* -repeat-

yeah this is totally fair.
Edited by Katon, Jan 27 2013, 05:30 PM.
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These Katon people make me lol.

You guys don't complain about Doton deleting Suiton???

Hell, if you're going Katon, and gonna raid Rain for instance, bring some Doton buddies of yours? Smh.
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The 4x knowledge is so Katon deletes suiton. Which makes sense, but I'm still against it like Fox.

Katon can be on water. It just does reduced damage. I don't know what the knowledge difference has to be for this, but it's there somewhere.

I think suiton has to have 2x to delete Katon.

It's pretty balanced to me.
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Jan 27 2013, 05:28 PM
These Katon people make me lol.

You guys don't complain about Doton deleting Suiton???

Hell, if you're going Katon, and gonna raid Rain for instance, bring some Doton buddies of yours? Smh.
Only Doton Jutsu that negates ALL suiton are the mud based ones, which only negate a few Suitons, and it's not like the Doton user can camp inside their mud jutsus like the Suiton users.

Only thing left to say is that mist rain owning Katon is fair. smh
Edited by Katon, Jan 27 2013, 05:34 PM.
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Mud overturn is a low CD move that stops all suiton. Swamp is a move that covers an area so no suiton can be used.

It's been like this forever. Been too long since Katon was being deleted like the rest instead of deleting doton/suiton. And now the users even get a passive to protect themselves.
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Katon is totally perfect....want extra damage go blue flames, want bigger flames go Magma.

and you guys are complaining about EVAPORATING WATER which is suppose to be stronger than katon, it not like fuuton the element that your superior to, deletes your katon...

Just make it cost Knowledge vs X2 Knowledge to stay on water at a reduced damage, and X4 to delete water on the ground,

that I can see....
Edited by Stryke, Jan 27 2013, 05:43 PM.
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Renkuudan blocks karyuu endan <3
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Jan 27 2013, 05:46 PM
Renkuudan blocks karyuu endan <3
SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

but seriously unless you have speedy, and even then Idk how long it takes, you must be a psychic to block a endan with Renkuudan on purpose...

but if it gets fixed oh well not a huge loss either way cause not many people are going to try to stop endan with this in the first place.

I vote on it getting fixed.
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I;m not even a katon user and I agree. I am a Fuuton/Raiton user, and do agree, Fuuton needs to start deleting Raiton. That has always been a problem.

But the problem here is with katon. Taking any other match-up into consideration, NO elements get made 100% useless against their superior, except katon vs. suiton.

Sure we get impact damage, but even that is nerfed down. Even if it wasn't nerfed down, impact damage does around 100 vit total on someone standing on water. And when you start talking about impact, Katon becomes as linear as raiton, with weaker damage.
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nah katon sucks right now lol but suiton is a non factor in it
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I like how people are all like MAKE KATON BEAT SUITON PLS.

That's not how elemental jutsu are supposed to work. Suiton beats katon, katon beats fuuton, ect ect. Like others have said, if you're gonna get katon, you better get doton also , or know someone that does.

You don't see doton users complain when a raiton user uses raiton armor and takes no damage what-so-ever, now do you?
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