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Taijutsu Stigma
Topic Started: Jan 24 2013, 01:07 AM (1,420 Views)
Pasuma
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Damn Unstoppable really trying to think he is the shit.
I have always been a tai user and I know how hard it is to fight someone who keeps running.

That's why I be smacking tai users.

But all in all, Fallen's first post addressed the stuns. 1 kick is a stun for three seconds, I lol.

You also tought it was okay for you to "run fast" while having one foot on the ground and twirling like a balerina.

What the **** do you even think Beast?

Can't beleive you are trying to say that's okay.

Alot of the MMO's I play give a stun resistance so you can't get stun locked.

Stop acting all high and mighty. Alot more people than you use taijutsu.

People have addressed taijutsu "alot"

People have addressed the 8/6 swift spam kick for a while.

Only reason people are calling you a scrub is possibly because the many bullshit things you do with sound spinning kick.. or possibly your shunshin problems that you somehow deem okay.. (shunshing while "spinning" on one foot for example)

So calm down stop getting big-heaeded
Edited by Pasuma, Jan 24 2013, 10:32 AM.
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Pasuma
Jan 24 2013, 10:19 AM
Damn Unstoppable really trying to think he is the shit.
I have always been a tai user and I know how hard it is to fight someone who keeps running.

That's why I be smacking tai users.

But all in all, Fallen's first post addressed the stuns. 1 kick is a stun for three seconds, I lol.

You also tought it was okay for you to "run fast" while having one foot on the ground and twirling like a balerina.

What the **** do you even think Beast?

Can't beleive you are trying to say that's okay.

Alot of the MMO's I play give a stun resistance so you can't get stun locked.

Stop acting all high and mighty. Alot more people than you use taijutsu.

People have addressed taijutsu "alot"

People have addressed the 8/6 swift spam kick for a while.

Only reason people are calling you a scrub is possibly because the many bullshit things you do with sound spinning kick.. or possibly your shunshin problems that you somehow deem okay.. (shunshing while "spinning" on one foot for example)

So calm down stop getting big-heaeded
This thread ended yesterday.

Stop flaming on the forums, please.

There's no need to insult here, right?

Also, your post is filled with accusations and allegations with no evidence. Therefore, nothing.

And there are "stun resistance" elements. Adamant trait as well as the "Like a Rock" doton passives and "Like a Mountain" doton passive. Plus, y'know, blocking.
Edited by Unstoppablebeast, Jan 24 2013, 10:37 AM.
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Xeyl
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If Unstoppablebeast is shushin'ing around while using sound spinning kick, that's abuse and he's not allowed to be doing that.
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Jan 24 2013, 03:41 AM
Stop caring what other people think of you, then. You are butthurt, and I will express this. If you weren't I wouldn't have posted because there would be no topic. You got upset, don't be ashamed of it. Happens.

I made valid points and you replied with "No, fuck you. You're a raging bitch." And other generic phrases. This topic was a misguided one, but that doesn't matter because it gave the community an opportunity to converse of an actual problem.

One that I, Hello and Andriod can possibly agree to. Gates with stuns hurts too much.

Beast.

The points that Fallen has been making in response to yours are all valid.

None more so than the "off topic" one.

That is:
The fact that you feel slighted because all your efforts with your taijutsu character are considered nothing or insignificant because of the unbalanced advantage the style of play provides.

Also, Fallen is not patronising you when he says: "You got upset, don't be ashamed of it. Happens."

I mean seriously, you take offence to that and not the outright verbal rinsing Pasuma just gave you?

Regardless, Fallen genuinely means you need to sit back and analyse how your emotions have led to illogical actions (...and to a certain extent, Pasuma meant this as well haha).

This is something that affects us all as individuals on a daily basis.

Emotions left unchecked cause issues and conflicts everyday that need not have occurred....

Everyone seeks the approval of others in some way or form.

Some people do it considerably less, and come across as douchebags.

Others believe it is the point of their existence, and come across as attention hogs, showoffs, or exhibitionists.

It's amazing to me how by understanding people logically that even through the text, we can truly see them for who they are.

Ah, but I've gone into a rant.

Apologies.

TL:DR

Beast, chill out. If you want to be accepted as a popular pro, mimic the trends and spam ninjutsu combos with shunshin.

Or.

You can be original and happy with yourself and feel great about how you stun lock to perfection.

"Haters gon' hate."




Strictly On-Topic:

-Stun locks from kicks are indeed a problem.
-A percentile chance might be a good solution.
-I also believe that one should be able to run, punch, kick or melee in general simultaneously.
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Unstoppablebeast
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Sage makes me feel happy regardless of what he says.

Yes, Fallen had valid points, but I am still hesitant to the changes that are being proposed. My main concern is this, and if somebody could just answer this for me, I'd be as happy as a clam:


  • Primarily, if the handseal lock is removed, what's stopping ninjutsu users from using OHKO jutsu on me while I'm hitting them and getting a 100% chance of sure hit?
  • Secondary, this reduces the effectiveness of gates severly? Anybody has a 100% chance of getting away with simply clone and kawa.


Pasuma is just stupid (I think that's enough about that).

And in regards to everything that has been said so far, I don't think I've been less than understanding the entire time. Perhaps there are moments where my emotion has shown through, but my responses have all been (mostly) well-structured...I don't think I've ever said anything without a reason why.

Furthermore, a percentile chance is a much more palatable solution than a strict removal of the chance all-together.




To make this clear, I apologize to both Fallen and whomever else if I seemed to be insulting in my discourse on this topic.

If you were in my position (which you may have been at some point) there is an overwhelming opposition to basically any point I presented, and a surprising lack of support for any alternate solution to the proposed "eliminate that ****ing stun, tai-froob."

Edited by Unstoppablebeast, Jan 24 2013, 01:32 PM.
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You keep answering your own question. If handseal lock is removed. If handseal. Handseal. That's it. Handseals. You see them up, that's a visible sign of it coming. You said "Everyone just want me to stand still and take it." Yet you're implying you do just that. You can move, you can knock back. You can defend yourself. Unlike a ninjustu user being stun spammed.

Gates would be useless? How long have you played? Gates have never been useless and they didn't always have these stuns you don't know about. You don't even realize them, yet you keep talking about it. Implying Kawa > Gates. The only way to beat gates now is to kawa, clone and use jutsus before it gets to you. But when it does get to you, good game offense and defense. So in your reality, Gates are useless since you can already Kawa them before hand. They don't delay anything, they obviously just beat gates.
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In the hands of someone who knows what they are doing, Taijutsu can be OP.

About Gates, They're OP regardless. Just get Swift 8/6, Go 4th gate, Target and hold D.
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Suggestion: Make a trainable passive that increases a percentile chance that blocking/dodging rids of stun.

Ex.)
- Gate whore is pelting Genjutsu whore with gate rape.
- Genjutsu whore's attacks are all on cooldown from attempting to use them during the rape he's receiving.
- Genjutsu whore dodges and blocks a few attacks, giving his passive a kick-in which allowed him a 40% success in being "un-stunnable" for a limited time (say, 1.5 seconds).
- Genjutsu whore now stands a chance against gate whore in attempting to use a bunshin or a kawarimi no jutsu to become non-targetted.

Am i making sense?
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Apparently Ninjutsu users needing both good amounts of Capacity and Control to use their Jutsu while Taijutsu users only need to whore Physique, GET MORE HEALTH as Fallen said with no DRAWBACKS (they don't need as much chakra as a Ninjutsu user) is balanced.

And the only restriction they would have is that their Ninjutsu won't be as strong but then again we have Doton. and stuff like wires and weapons, on top of that they stun and make NINJUTSU go on CD.

Taijutsu users tank everything, HIT the Ninjutsu users weak point (stam) with a bunch of homing/aoe/autolock moves and is totally fair and square.

I agree with Fallen on this k? k

Edited by Katon, Jan 24 2013, 07:46 PM.
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Exactly that is why alot of ppl dont like fighting them.
1 hit and your walking and easy target.
1 kick and your ninjutsu is disabled a few seconds.
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When lame ppl spam kick multible times a seconds its like taijutsu users come standard with handseal fuuinjutsu.....they completely disable ninjutsu and genjutsu users aswell as pretty much ko ppl in 1-2 hits....they have dashing and homing and aoe thats strong, and gates can completely destroy ppl just by attacking...and it heals you.....
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*has never thought tai was op*
All i gotta say is this , youre gonna recieve hate and get called noob no matter what you play. Thats how NFF is.
Tai aint OP, tama out-
Xeyl
Jan 24 2013, 11:20 AM
If Unstoppablebeast is shushin'ing around while using sound spinning kick, that's abuse and he's not allowed to be doing that.
No its not.
Zigo jailed me for that b4, I told Sasuna and he said it was ok
xxxxyobdab
Jan 24 2013, 09:00 PM
Exactly that is why alot of ppl dont like fighting them.
1 hit and your walking and easy target.
1 kick and your ninjutsu is disabled a few seconds.
....
When lame ppl spam kick multible times a seconds its like taijutsu users come standard with handseal fuuinjutsu.....they completely disable ninjutsu and genjutsu users aswell as pretty much ko ppl in 1-2 hits....they have dashing and homing and aoe thats strong, and gates can completely destroy ppl just by attacking...and it heals you.....
BUT THERE ARE SO MANY MOVES THAT DAMN NEAR MAKE TAI USERS USELESS

amg

on a PS3 btw so not doing long well thought posts teehee
Edited by Tama-chan, Jan 24 2013, 09:18 PM.
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Doton is the main defense element.....
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xxxxyobdab
Jan 24 2013, 09:20 PM
Doton is the main defense element.....


I love Fallen.
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Beast is saying Raiton is as defensive as Doton and only one move is based on Phy.

He's saying these things guys. Look~!
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