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Taijutsu Stigma
Topic Started: Jan 24 2013, 01:07 AM (1,422 Views)
Unstoppablebeast
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Fukyuu
Jan 24 2013, 03:05 AM
Unstoppablebeast
Jan 24 2013, 03:02 AM
And also, why?
Because you're clearly biased. I've noted everything you said and replied to it. You've just skipped almost everything I've said.

But lets go over it again.

The stun makes it so two types can't even use their moves. They become completely defenseless. There is no escape, unless it's something unqiue like a clan move that has no handseals. Their offense. Useless. Their defense. Useless. Their already drawbacked health. Not helping.

But the average ninja can't even use basic techniques against it. Basic techniques that are almost mandatory against gates. They have low health so they can't tank it or fight against it, because again, their offense is on CD for no reason.
Wow, okay.

As I thought.

I'm "biased" towards taijutsu whereas what, you're all neutral, wise, judging, non-partisan onlookers with no favor?

Hell no.

You're ninjutsu users, of course you'd oppose this.

Okay Fallen. I'll break down everything you said word-for-word.

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The stun makes it so two types can't even use their moves. They become completely defenseless.


Any bind that a ninjutsu user makes taijutsu users unable to use any moves. Whether this is syrup, a pushback-type, or rock-bind.

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Their already drawbacked health. Not helping.


You want equal stamina to someone who has the physique of Maito, Gai?
So you want Shikamaru = Gai?
You want Ino = Chouji?
Please....

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Basic techniques that are almost mandatory against gates.They have low health so they can't tank it or fight against.


Since when has someone ever been able to fire off a sling of handseals while being hit by gate?

Look, I know we aren't supposed to compare to the anime. I KNOW. But Fallen, please...work with me here. Listen to what you're proposing. Gates would be useless. I could block while doing handseals to endan, and that's it. Gate user is dead. I could instantly use clone and kawa. That's it, gates are useless. I could do any number of things.

Gaara vs. Lee
Kisame vs. Gai

They weren't able to do anything.
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Andriod 17
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Unstoppablebeast
Jan 24 2013, 03:15 AM

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The stun makes it so two types can't even use their moves. They become completely defenseless.


Any bind that a ninjutsu user makes taijutsu users unable to use any moves. Whether this is syrup, a pushback-type, or rock-bind.

Use weapons.
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Andriod 17
Jan 24 2013, 03:17 AM
Unstoppablebeast
Jan 24 2013, 03:15 AM

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The stun makes it so two types can't even use their moves. They become completely defenseless.


Any bind that a ninjutsu user makes taijutsu users unable to use any moves. Whether this is syrup, a pushback-type, or rock-bind.

Use weapons.
Taijutsu =/= Weapons.

Stay on topic please. This is the same as me saying "Use Taijutsu" when confronted with the same issue.

Also, keep in mind my first character of the era was a 23 year old 5/28/25 Enton, Fuuton user. I'm not biased against either taijutsu or ninjutsu, but so help me god...I'm not letting you let tai get nerfed to shit.
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Andriod 17
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It is on topic...

You're talking as if Taijutsu users don't have the ability to use weapons and are defenseless in binds such as Syrup, which they aren't.
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Andriod 17
Jan 24 2013, 03:19 AM
It is on topic...

You're talking as if Taijutsu users don't have the ability to use weapons and are defenseless in binds such as Syrup, which they aren't.
Well you and your "posse" are talking as if ninjutsu users don't have the ability to use taijutsu OR weapons for that matter.
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I dont think you can compare, or should. The Gates to the show, in the Show they made it seem like Gates were somthing forbidden, somthing that shouldn't be used at all, as it could kill you or cripple your self like it did for Lee.

The thing I will say, is that not just for going against Tai. But when you try to use a skill, but cant do to stun, a bind or somthng of the like. That it shouldnt go on CD, if its possible to fix that.
It's very annoying to have that happen.
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Renden, Vash
Jan 24 2013, 03:21 AM
I dont think you can compare, or should. The Gates to the show, in the Show they made it seem like Gates were somthing forbidden, somthing that shouldn't be used at all, as it could kill you or cripple your self like it did for Lee.

The thing I will say, is that not just for going against Tai. But when you try to use a skill, but cant do to stun, a bind or somthng of the like. That it shouldnt go on CD, if its possible to fix that.
It's very annoying to have that happen.
That's a better solution and I agree whole-heartedly Vash.
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I've been a tai whore a few times in the game and I plan on being one after my char RBs, stuns need to be removed. End of story. You're not even reading my post anymore but who cares.

Like I said someone kicked me into a corner and kept using it without gates, thus stunning me.

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Well you and your "posse" are talking as if ninjutsu users don't have the ability to use taijutsu OR weapons for that matter.


No we can't use taijutsu because they do shit damage. You can't really use weapons without 3 SP because we need both hands for handseals otherwise.

Also, what does weapons have to do with ANYTHING in this case. He was saying that you could use weapons with binds, but how would weapons help in a ninjutsu user case?


I don't get the logic in making it so phy users have unlimited power, make it so that tai jutsus ALWAYS take stam. Calories just affect how much it takes.
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Jan 24 2013, 03:21 AM
Andriod 17
Jan 24 2013, 03:19 AM
It is on topic...

You're talking as if Taijutsu users don't have the ability to use weapons and are defenseless in binds such as Syrup, which they aren't.
Well you and your "posse" are talking as if ninjutsu users don't have the ability to use taijutsu OR weapons for that matter.
I know we have the ability to use weapons, but it would be senseless for a pure Ninjutsu user to use Taijutsu.

It would do barely any damage, and hurt our own stamina more than our opponents.


Also, there is no posse here, this is just a clean debate among st many opinions.

That's what these topics/forums are for.
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Jan 24 2013, 03:25 AM
I've been a tai whore a few times in the game and I plan on being one after my char RBs, stuns need to be removed. End of story. You're not even reading my post anymore but who cares.

Like I said someone kicked me into a corner and kept using it without gates, thus stunning me.

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Well you and your "posse" are talking as if ninjutsu users don't have the ability to use taijutsu OR weapons for that matter.


No we can't use taijutsu because they do shit damage. You can't really use weapons without 3 SP because we need both hands for handseals otherwise.

Also, what does weapons have to do with ANYTHING in this case. He was saying that you could use weapons with binds, but how would weapons help in a ninjutsu user case?


I don't get the logic in making it so phy users have unlimited power, make it so that tai jutsus ALWAYS take stam. Calories just affect how much it takes.
Wow, you're talking as if you can't charge a punch to get them off of you for a moment.

Wow, you're talking as if you can't use a bo-staff to get some distance.

Wow, you're talking as if you can't afford a wire to give you a reprieve to escape/get distance.

Wow, you're talking as if you can't use sword without investing SP. Guess what, someone of us invested NO SP into kenjutsu, or one-handed and get along fine while still being able to use ninjutsu.

This sounds, quite bluntly, like an excuse to ***** and a refusal to try new things. And I don't think that anything should ever be nerfed/buffed/changed just because some players are stuck in their ways.
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I'm not a dead set ninjutsu user. Every character I make is a different one. Right now I'm a basic katon user. Last time I was a Hyuuga Suiton user. The time before that I was a Uchiha katon user (First time for katon in all my years.) Before that I was the renown Yotsuki that was raiton/sword. Before that I was a Sabaku/Fuuton. Before that I was a Tai basic user. Before that I was a Uchiha/Gen user. Before that I was shiroi Fuuton/Suiton. Before that I was tai once again.

I go something different, and there are multiple elements to choose from. I'm not biased at all in my judgement. I would love to be a tai user. But the reasons I'm not. Training, their advantages are too much, they don't have as many attacks, their attacks aren't as good looking.

Syrup? Use mud overturn. Almost every Tai has it. Don't have doton? Then just use struggle. Tai users can use syrup. True story. A pushback? The hell? Tai don't have pushbacks? Pushbacks are the number one weakness of Tai? You're delaying the inevitable, not punishing a Tai. Rock bind. So you're a tai that stays still? Rock bind only affects Tai? Really now. Tell me again how rock bind, pushback or syrup. . . Are the same as a stun. That has no delay. Hurts you. And makes it so you can't use your moves. Oh, that's right. They aren't.

You're telling me your 3x health isn't a major advantage? Gai gets damage all the same as Naruto. You're bringing up Naruto, and you even failed in your own analogy.

You have no idea how the stuns in gates work obviously. At all. Just. Stop going there. If you don't know about it, then don't bring it up. Blocking doesn't stop it. You can't use endan. You can't even use clone, the fastest jutsu. Stop.



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You guy's should refer to my suggestion on all of this~


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Jan 24 2013, 03:29 AM
I'm not a dead set ninjutsu user. Every character I make is a different one. Right now I'm a basic katon user. Last time I was a Hyuuga Suiton user. The time before that I was a Uchiha katon user (First time for katon in all my years.) Before that I was the renown Yotsuki that was raiton/sword. Before that I was a Sabaku/Fuuton. Before that I was a Tai basic user. Before that I was a Uchiha/Gen user. Before that I was shiroi Fuuton/Suiton. Before that I was tai once again.

I go something different, and there are multiple elements to choose from. I'm not biased at all in my judgement. I would love to be a tai user. But the reasons I'm not. Training, their advantages are too much, they don't have as many attacks, their attacks aren't as good looking.

Syrup? Use mud overturn. Almost every Tai has it. Don't have doton? Then just use struggle. Tai users can use syrup. True story. A pushback? The hell? Tai don't have pushbacks? Pushbacks are the number one weakness of Tai? You're delaying the inevitable, not punishing a Tai. Rock bind. So you're a tai that stays still? Rock bind only affects Tai? Really now. Tell me again how rock bind, pushback or syrup. . . Are the same as a stun. That has no delay. Hurts you. And makes it so you can't use your moves. Oh, that's right. They aren't.

You're telling me your 3x health isn't a major advantage? Gai gets damage all the same as Naruto. You're bringing up Naruto, and you even failed in your own analogy.

You have no idea how the stuns in gates work obviously. At all. Just. Stop going there. If you don't know about it, then don't bring it up. Blocking doesn't stop it. You can't use endan. You can't even use clone, the fastest jutsu. Stop.



Maybe if you stopped being a raging ***** and tried to talk about the problems instead of insulting my opinions, mmm?

I don't think anything will be changed, honestly.

And that's good, because it doesn't need to be.

4 times your health? The only difference is stamina, and I doubt I have 4 times your stamina.
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Jan 24 2013, 02:05 AM
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Jan 24 2013, 02:03 AM
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Jan 24 2013, 01:53 AM
Guys aren't even talking about the real OP things like Kunai.

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This topic is dumb.

All of you are dumb, without me NFF would die. The only solution to this idiotic shit is perma-banning everyone but me. No second chances allowed, even if you didn't commit the crime. I guarantee you stupid would go down 80-94%
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Wow, you're talking as if you can't afford a wire to give you a reprieve to escape/get distance.


No cause the kicks were instant and have push back,thus I'll wire the wall.

The sword Idea is just stupid, weapons could possibly work in the kicking situation. But what about in the gates situation where the guy is teleporting all around you and pushing you everywhere. What do I do about the stun then?

EDIT: Just so you know, you're the one raging...not fallen...
Edited by Hello, Jan 24 2013, 03:34 AM.
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