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Taijutsu Stigma
Topic Started: Jan 24 2013, 01:07 AM (1,424 Views)
Fal
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I was worried about what Hello would say since I see him as a taijutsu user so much and he wanted 75k punches in at one time. But I'm glad he's a witness to the stuns.

So is Katon, Tozen and every other member in the Development team for the exclusion of Fox.

Stuns are definitely a problem. For both nin or tai users using them. Mostly Tai for them training and getting them OP gates, though.
Fox
Jan 24 2013, 02:42 AM
Warriors in games do need energy, not really sure what you are talking about. Which type of warrior are you referring to and I'm pretty sure I can give you a reason, since you didn't read my post. I do have to go to sleep soon though ;o
Tai users don't need energy. Stop getting confused with my analogies!
Edited by Fal, Jan 24 2013, 02:46 AM.
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STOP USING BAD ONES THEN?!!??

YOU SAID THEY DIDN'T NEED NINJUTSU BUT THEY DO! NOW THEY DON'T NEED ENERGY!?!?!?

BUT I NEED ENERGY TO USE WIRE ESCAPE, CLONE, AND KAWA?!?!

A LITTLE BIT BUT I NEEEED IT FALLEN, I NEEEEEED ITTT
Edited by Fox, Jan 24 2013, 02:47 AM.
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Jan 24 2013, 02:44 AM
Really God? Really. . .

WHY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN ME!
just trying to make this game more realistic tone step at a time..

now when hitting trees youll lose vit from making your knuckles bleed muwahaha
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Jan 24 2013, 02:47 AM
Fox
Jan 24 2013, 02:44 AM
Really God? Really. . .

WHY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN ME!
just trying to make this game more realistic tone step at a time..

now when hitting trees youll lose vit from making your knuckles bleed muwahaha
This is some shit Ryuuka would suggest, and Argon would add.
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Other games/Balanced
Mage = Low Health, High Energy, Long Range/Effect Affiliated
Warrior = High Health, Low Energy, Close Range/Slow and powerful

NFF/Unbalanced
Nin = Low Health, High Energy, Long Range/Delayed, Effect Affiliated
Tai = High Health, Doesn't Need Energy, Close Range/Effect Affiliated (ADS Stun & Slows Enemy)/Fast and powerful
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Jan 24 2013, 01:30 AM
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Jan 24 2013, 01:26 AM
Like I said, the stun doesn't make it so they don't move. It makes it so they can't defend themselves with their abilities. The taijutsu with that stun is punishing someone because of their build. Which is the worse thing a game can do. The punishments for a build should be on the user's behalf. How much damage he does with what, how much chakra he has, how much chakra his moves take, ect.

Having more chakra isn't a trade off to health. Health is health. It helps in any scenario. Having more chakra means you can use more moves. Having more health means you can take more moves. That sounds balanced. Except Taijutsu doesn't need chakra at all for its moves. It can do hard hitting damage without any at all. Yet it can get more than double the health. Tai doesn't need chakra. Everyone and Nin users included do need health.

That's completely unfair. So you take more hits, and can do around the same hits with the same damage. . . . Except you do it faster. Instantly in fact.
Popular MMOs.

Warrior vs Mage class.

Which has more health and which has more energy (read: Mana)?

Edit: And you still haven't addressed the fact that you want a person is able to do handseals while getting hit, and not just hit. Smacked. Hard. By a taijutsu specialist? Handseals are able to be canceled if you're hit by another ninjutsu, why can't they be canceled if you get hit by taijutsu?
When a warrior smacks a mage two times the mage isn't forced to walk until he is KOed and can get his stamina refilled.

Didn't read any comments past this one.
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Jan 24 2013, 01:41 AM
Kyomen
Jan 24 2013, 01:37 AM
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Jan 24 2013, 01:21 AM
So...they can run around perfectly unaffected while you're kicking them in the head?

While ninjutsu has a host of binds, pushback, effects, etc. You're saying taijutsu should make it IMPOSSIBLE for the user to catch his opponent if he wants to run?Or even worse, if I'm attacking someone they can Baku me at close range without any drawback on their part? My punchs/kicks don't mess with their handseals?

Kicks already have a pushback affect (that doesn't do wall damage) on them so you can't just pound them constantly. You have to catch them.

FYI.

Also, ninjutsu users are weak to taijutsu users, wtf? One has more chakra, the other has more stamina. Even trade off?
Because, you can survive getting ripped in half. Survive getting crushed. Drowned. Set on fire multiple times. Poisoned severely...

Shush.
We're talking basic mechanics here.

Balance.

And besides, that wasn't the point of this topic:

  • The point is to ask why people ***** about taijutsu, why is everyone against it? God forbid someone should break the mold and NOT create a Doton/Katon user. Or a Fuuton Enton...
You just made my point by saying "Balance".

Also, no, they really don't use stamina. Any good tai user builds up on calories and doesn't use stamina at all.

So what do tai users get? More attacking power+stackable source of energy with no real cut backs+the ability to take more hits.

Need I go on...?
Edited by Kyomen, Jan 24 2013, 02:52 AM.
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Nin = Low Health, High Energy, Long Range, Effect Affiliated, Numerous Binds, OHKO's, Defenses out the whatzoo etc

Wut, STOP BEING SO BIAS! When I hit that Tai User with that Kumojin Web I win the fight. . .What's a Tai User to a Paper Mode, or Bone Membrane, or Rock Armor(s), or anything I don't want to waste time retyping? You can use Kunai, so can I.

Everything in this game is unbalanceddddddd
Edited by Fox, Jan 24 2013, 02:54 AM.
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Jan 24 2013, 02:49 AM
Other games/Balanced
Mage = Low Health, High Energy, Long Range/Effect affiliated
Warrior = High Health, Low Energy, Close Range/Slow and powerful

NFF/Unbalanced
Nin = Low Health, High Energy, Long Range/Delayed
Tai = High Health, Doesn't Need Energy, Close Range/Effect Affiliated (ADS Stun & Slows Enemy)/Fast and powerful
You forgot.

Tai=No Cooldown on normal attacks, which can still be extremely powerful.
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Fukyuu
Jan 24 2013, 02:41 AM
Fox
Jan 24 2013, 02:38 AM
You keep acting like they actually don't have any health, or can't easily compensate for it. . .But no, I already won this topic because you said they don't need Ninjutsu. They need wire escape, therefor I win.

=)
They have health, like a mage gets health. But the warriors in the game don't need energy and hit instantly, with silencing regulars. It's that simple.

@Beast= I don't even know what you're getting at anymore. I make a post full of valid points and you go off the rail about some nonsense how handseals = movement speed.

You also said how you can use kawa and clone with someone hitting you in gates. Which you can't.
You calling my arguements nonsensical is the same as me calling your arguements nonsensical.

Let me break it down so you can understand.

You keep referring to "casting time", handseals for those of us who don't understand.

1. Apparently, it's a bad thing that handseals are interrupted by a punch. Now, there are two classes of ninjutsu. One WITH handseals, and one without. You can easily use ninjutsu without handseals in this case (Shushin is a prime example).

2. You can also attack yourself with your own taijutsu, perhaps a charged punch will get him away? Invest in Hansha style?

3. Go for a bind? Wires don't require handseals.

4. Run away.

Back on topic on "cast time", why don't we break it down into its most simplest components: how long it takes to begin a technique that will deliver its damage to the enemy.

This is handseal speed for a ninjutsu user.
This is genjutsu casting time for a genjutsu user.
This is movement speed for a taijutsu user.

All these have something in common that is fairly obvious to see, I'm actively trying to reply to your pointed assertions that my posts don't contain sense. They do.

Now, if your logic is to say, it is unfair for "a" to cancel "b" because of "c", then why can't I spin that the other way? It should still equal the same thing.

Example:
It is unfair for taijutsu to cancel handseals because it doesn't let us escape/do damage/etc

It is unfair for ninjutsu to cancel movement speed because it doesn't let us escape/do damage/etc.

See where this logic is coming from? It's really linear and easy to follow.

Finally, everyone is slamming gates.

My argument is the same that it has been for the last 3 posts...it takes WP from you. A significant amount.

Gate 4- Activates Teleportation (No Knockback)
Gate 5- Activates KnockBack
Gate 6- Unleashes caps on damage

Not to mention the long time you have to sit there and make your character do ****ing squats in order to even get to gate 4, 5, or 6, time in which you're vulnerable to another bind or vitality damaging technique.

And finally, even when you DO get to that point, you can still be binded, your attacks can still be negated (by category 2 ninjutsu, that is...no handseals), or you could be binded with a wire. A simple wire.

If you have the misfortune of being KO'd in Gate 5+, you're unlikely getting up again. If you can get up, you've activated gates too early...but no worries, because you won't be running for a long time anyways, putting you at the mercy of those who don't need to catch up to you to deal damage.

Any other concerns?
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Jan 24 2013, 02:52 AM
So what do tai users get? More attacking power+stackable source of energy with no real cut backs+the ability to take more hits.

Need I go on...?
they can try and hit me all they want but ill be in the middle of my poison, theyll kill themselves loooool
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Jan 24 2013, 02:53 AM
Fukyuu
Jan 24 2013, 02:49 AM
Other games/Balanced
Mage = Low Health, High Energy, Long Range/Effect affiliated
Warrior = High Health, Low Energy, Close Range/Slow and powerful

NFF/Unbalanced
Nin = Low Health, High Energy, Long Range/Delayed
Tai = High Health, Doesn't Need Energy, Close Range/Effect Affiliated (ADS Stun & Slows Enemy)/Fast and powerful
You forgot.

Tai=No Cooldown on normal attacks, which can still be extremely powerful.
You forgot Ninjutsu having a 100 times the content?
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Jan 24 2013, 02:52 AM
Nin = Low Health, High Energy, Long Range, Effect Affiliated, Numerous Binds, OHKO's, Defenses out the whatzoo etc

Wut, STOP BEING SO BIAS! When I hit that Tai User with that Kumojin Web I win the fight. . .What's a Tai User to a Paper Mode, or Bone Membrane, or Rock Armor(s), or anything I don't want to waste time retyping? You can use Kunai, so can I.

Everything in this game is unbalanceddddddd
Tai users can still use weapons, when I'm in webs I spam Exploding kunai's, and my opponent backs off.
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Jan 24 2013, 02:52 AM
Nin = Low Health, High Energy, Long Range, Effect Affiliated, Numerous Binds, OHKO's, Defenses out the whatzoo etc

Wut, STOP BEING SO BIAS! When I hit that Tai User with that Kumojin Web I win the fight. . .
Tai= High Health, potentially more 'attack' energy, short and long range (Attacks that carry on over longer distances. EX. Axe Kick), Every attack has the potential to stun for durations that exceed many ninjutsu, OHKO's,

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Jan 24 2013, 02:54 AM
Fox
Jan 24 2013, 02:52 AM
Nin = Low Health, High Energy, Long Range, Effect Affiliated, Numerous Binds, OHKO's, Defenses out the whatzoo etc

Wut, STOP BEING SO BIAS! When I hit that Tai User with that Kumojin Web I win the fight. . .What's a Tai User to a Paper Mode, or Bone Membrane, or Rock Armor(s), or anything I don't want to waste time retyping? You can use Kunai, so can I.

Everything in this game is unbalanceddddddd
Tai users can still use weapons, when I'm in webs I spam Exploding kunai's, and my opponent backs off.
That's a symptom of your opponent being a scrub. . .Let me continue this tomorrow if the topic isn't dead.

FALLEN LAST WORD YOURS!
Edited by Fox, Jan 24 2013, 02:55 AM.
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