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Taijutsu Stigma
Topic Started: Jan 24 2013, 01:07 AM (1,425 Views)
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Jan 24 2013, 02:29 AM
Well you seem intent to make me remember that taijutsu attacks have "no delay" and are OP pieces of shit, nerf nerf nerf.

Everyone has the possibility to maximize taijutsu passives, right? Everyone has access to A, S, and D keys. Everyone can learn taijutsu techniques.

I can't learn ninjutsu techniques though. I literally do NOT have enough capacity.

What now?
You're getting too irrational over this. Even after avoiding the major points I pointed out.

Everyone can learn taijutsu, but it'd be pointless to considering the damage it does if you don't aim for it.

ASD stuns should be removed. Nin users use them, which makes that statement even more true.

You don't need ninjutsu, though. Nin users need health. They literally don't have it.

Now you run around in a circle and wait for your low CDs because you only need to land 2-4 to KO. Unless you're facing a tai user. Then it's like 12 hits to KO.

@Fox= Then nerf kunai. I'm not asking to nerf Tai. . . Yet. I'm saying remove the stuns, which is free for all usage.

Health differences, speed and stuns are the problem. The speed should be concentrated on for the lack of stuns and health. To me. Stuns are just a problem.
Edited by Fal, Jan 24 2013, 02:34 AM.
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Ninjutsu users do have health, the Minimum is 2500, and with the new formula i believe the starting cap is around 4350? W/O the use of a last name.

Tai user does need ninjutsu. Or i'll wire them and automatically win the fight. I win on a technicality.

Look at me spam Ninjutsu moves that are as big as the screen and me not having to aim. Satake, Fox pls oh look is that Sylar, Hi Sylar wait is that a poison move that covers nearly my entire screen and as big as any room indoors? HELP
Edited by Fox, Jan 24 2013, 02:36 AM.
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Jan 24 2013, 02:30 AM
The ONLY problem with tai whores are gates. Why? Because they ohko me some tai tech. Fine I'll just get up and-

OH WAIT, they activated gates and is now spam punching me.

I guess I'll just use clones...hmm it didn't work, guess I'll just kawa then...what the? Oh wait, I'm stunned and all I can do is block, can't use any jutsus and just have to take it.
I've always been able to use clones and kawa while someone was in gates punching me.

Similarly, gates kill all WP. I don't even use gates and I get hated on. Gates are OP because of their drawbacks, I hope nobody chooses to BEGIN a fight with gates, because that is inherently wrong.

Finally, to whoever posted that ninjutsu users need capacity and control, no...you don't.

You want damage? Go capacity.

You want great chakra control? Go control.

You want to last long? Go both.

You seem to forget that if you wanted to, you could still max the same passives that I can and use the same taijutsu techniques that I can with the same speed that I can. However, I cannot use the same ninjutsu as you, at all. (Assuming 40 phys build)
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Jan 24 2013, 02:33 AM
Ninjutsu users do have health, the Minimum is 2500, and with the new formula i believe the starting cap is around 4350? W/O the use of a last name.
You keep acting like chakra is the same as health. It's not if Tai users don't need it.

In any other game. Energy and Health. You get health, or you get energy. If you're magic long range, you get energy. If you get Warrior slow/close, you get health. But the drawbacks are the mage gets hit fewer and dies quicker and the warrior gets less energy so he can't use his supers as much.

But tais don't need the energy. You get it?
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Jan 24 2013, 02:32 AM
Unstoppablebeast
Jan 24 2013, 02:29 AM
Well you seem intent to make me remember that taijutsu attacks have "no delay" and are OP pieces of shit, nerf nerf nerf.

Everyone has the possibility to maximize taijutsu passives, right? Everyone has access to A, S, and D keys. Everyone can learn taijutsu techniques.

I can't learn ninjutsu techniques though. I literally do NOT have enough capacity.

What now?
You're getting too irrational over this. Even after avoiding the major points I pointed out.

Everyone can learn taijutsu, but it'd be pointless to considering the damage it does if you don't aim for it.

ASD stuns should be removed. Nin users use them, which makes that statement even more true.

You don't need ninjutsu, though. Nin users need health. They literally don't have it.

Now you run around in a circle and wait for your low CDs because you only need to land 2-4 to KO. Unless you're facing a tai user. Then it's like 12 hits to KO.

@Fox= Then nerf kunai. I'm not asking to nerf Tai. . . Yet. I'm saying remove the stuns, which is free for all usage.

Health differences, speed and stuns are the problem. The speed should be concentrated on for the lack of stuns and health. To me. Stuns are just a problem.
Fine. Then I demand a nerf on all jutsu that limit my movement speed.

Since your handseals = my movement speed, comparatively.

This includes binds, slow downs, and complete stuns.

On that same vein, I would also like a nerf to jutsu that negate my taijutsu. This includes all versions of armors.

OH YEAH, JUST REMEMBERED:

All supers do WP damage as well as immense regular damage and with a huge range. Since I'm a taijutsu user and don't have as much range...I'd like ALL ninjutsu reduce in range...and damage please.

This is just fair, right? I mean...I don't want to stun your handseals because that's "unfair" so you can't have a range advantage over me, that's also "unfair."
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Jan 24 2013, 02:36 AM
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Jan 24 2013, 02:33 AM
Ninjutsu users do have health, the Minimum is 2500, and with the new formula i believe the starting cap is around 4350? W/O the use of a last name.
You keep acting like chakra is the same as health. It's not if Tai users don't need it.

In any other game. Energy and Health. You get health, or you get energy. If you're magic long range, you get energy. If you get Warrior slow/close, you get health. But the drawbacks are the mage gets hit fewer and dies quicker and the warrior gets less energy so he can't use his supers as much.

But tais don't need the energy. You get it?
You keep acting like they actually don't have any health, or can't easily compensate for it. . .But no, I already won this topic because you said they don't need Ninjutsu. They need wire escape, therefor I win.

=)

Stun can get removed on A/S/D don't care, Stun can be made into a chance don't care, the stun cannot put the move on it's actual cool down and instead on a 1-2 Second penalty time so people couldn't just hold the key down, don't care. I don't have any problems with this personally, never really have you guys are just scrubs.
Edited by Fox, Jan 24 2013, 02:40 AM.
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Jan 24 2013, 02:34 AM
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Jan 24 2013, 02:30 AM
The ONLY problem with tai whores are gates. Why? Because they ohko me some tai tech. Fine I'll just get up and-

OH WAIT, they activated gates and is now spam punching me.

I guess I'll just use clones...hmm it didn't work, guess I'll just kawa then...what the? Oh wait, I'm stunned and all I can do is block, can't use any jutsus and just have to take it.
I've always been able to use clones and kawa while someone was in gates punching me.

Similarly, gates kill all WP. I don't even use gates and I get hated on. Gates are OP because of their drawbacks, I hope nobody chooses to BEGIN a fight with gates, because that is inherently wrong.

Finally, to whoever posted that ninjutsu users need capacity and control, no...you don't.

You want damage? Go capacity.

You want great chakra control? Go control.

You want to last long? Go both.

You seem to forget that if you wanted to, you could still max the same passives that I can and use the same taijutsu techniques that I can with the same speed that I can. However, I cannot use the same ninjutsu as you, at all. (Assuming 40 phys build)
I have NEVER been able to use ANY jutsus while someone was hitting me in gates. You're seriously defending this as hard as you can. I honestly don't know why.

The main point I think fallen is trying to make is that phy user can last forever. They don't use stam for techs when they have a good amount of calories. They can literally last forever in a fight.

While Ninjutsu users have a thing called chakra. After a certain amount of uses, they run out. They're screwed after that.

But what does a tai user runs out of? Nothing. Calories I guess but even then he can still fight.
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Jan 24 2013, 02:38 AM
Unstoppablebeast
Jan 24 2013, 02:34 AM
Hello
Jan 24 2013, 02:30 AM
The ONLY problem with tai whores are gates. Why? Because they ohko me some tai tech. Fine I'll just get up and-

OH WAIT, they activated gates and is now spam punching me.

I guess I'll just use clones...hmm it didn't work, guess I'll just kawa then...what the? Oh wait, I'm stunned and all I can do is block, can't use any jutsus and just have to take it.
I've always been able to use clones and kawa while someone was in gates punching me.

Similarly, gates kill all WP. I don't even use gates and I get hated on. Gates are OP because of their drawbacks, I hope nobody chooses to BEGIN a fight with gates, because that is inherently wrong.

Finally, to whoever posted that ninjutsu users need capacity and control, no...you don't.

You want damage? Go capacity.

You want great chakra control? Go control.

You want to last long? Go both.

You seem to forget that if you wanted to, you could still max the same passives that I can and use the same taijutsu techniques that I can with the same speed that I can. However, I cannot use the same ninjutsu as you, at all. (Assuming 40 phys build)
I have NEVER been able to use ANY jutsus while someone was hitting me in gates. You're seriously defending this as hard as you can. I honestly don't know why.

The main point I think fallen is trying to make is that phy user can last forever. They don't use stam for techs when they have a good amount of calories. They can literally last forever in a fight.

While Ninjutsu users have a thing called chakra. After a certain amount of uses, they run out. They're screwed after that.

But what does a tai user runs out of? Nothing. Calories I guess but even then he can still fight.
Running out of calories is easy.

Running takes calories. Taijutsu techniques have calories.

There's a misconception about calories, only Akimichi can "load up" as you say, otherwise we have a certain number that we get from one steak, hamburger, or ricecake.

Also, yes...of course I'm defending it. Gates are a different entity, you cannot fathom how much WP it actually takes to use. Nor the LONG cooldown they have, plus the CONSTANT vitality drain...you can Shushin away...change maps, shushin and then use a clone. Shushin and kawa...BLOCK, ****ING BLOCK MAYBE?
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Jan 24 2013, 02:33 AM
Look at me spam Ninjutsu moves that are as big as the screen and me not having to aim. Satake, Fox pls oh look is that Sylar, Hi Sylar wait is that a poison move that covers nearly my entire screen and as big as any room indoors? HELP
then after that poison disappears POISON BUNSHIN WHICH DOES THE SAME EFFECT AND ARENT ON SAME CD MUWAHAHA
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Jan 24 2013, 02:40 AM
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Jan 24 2013, 02:33 AM
Look at me spam Ninjutsu moves that are as big as the screen and me not having to aim. Satake, Fox pls oh look is that Sylar, Hi Sylar wait is that a poison move that covers nearly my entire screen and as big as any room indoors? HELP
then after that poison disappears POISON BUNSHIN WHICH DOES THE SAME EFFECT AND ARENT ON SAME CD MUWAHAHA
!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Ninjutsu damage that you cannot negate with anything! NOOOOO
Edited by Fox, Jan 24 2013, 02:41 AM.
http://users.pop.umn.edu/~matt0350/images/forumcrap/october/scream.pdf
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Jan 24 2013, 02:38 AM
You keep acting like they actually don't have any health, or can't easily compensate for it. . .But no, I already won this topic because you said they don't need Ninjutsu. They need wire escape, therefor I win.

=)
They have health, like a mage gets health. But the warriors in the game don't need energy and hit instantly, with silencing regulars. It's that simple.

@Beast= I don't even know what you're getting at anymore. I make a post full of valid points and you go off the rail about some nonsense how handseals = movement speed.

You also said how you can use kawa and clone with someone hitting you in gates. Which you can't.
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I was a tai whore last wipe and I rarely ran out of calories in a fight. As soon as one fight was over I'll just eat something that gave high amount of calories if I could. If not then I'll do so after the next fight.

Don't act like I don't know what I'm talking about. The only time I ran out of calories was when I forgot to eat for awhile.
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Warriors in games do need energy, not really sure what you are talking about. Which type of warrior are you referring to and I'm pretty sure I can give you a reason, since you didn't read my post. I do have to go to sleep soon though ;o
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Jan 24 2013, 02:41 AM
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Jan 24 2013, 02:40 AM
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Jan 24 2013, 02:33 AM
Look at me spam Ninjutsu moves that are as big as the screen and me not having to aim. Satake, Fox pls oh look is that Sylar, Hi Sylar wait is that a poison move that covers nearly my entire screen and as big as any room indoors? HELP
then after that poison disappears POISON BUNSHIN WHICH DOES THE SAME EFFECT AND ARENT ON SAME CD MUWAHAHA
!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Ninjutsu damage that you cannot negate with anything! NOOOOO
wrong wrong lets be realistic cus we all about dat life

naruto realistic

poison master sasori countered it by turning himself into puppet!! WE SHOULD ALL BE ABLE TO DO DAT
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Really God? Really. . .

WHY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN ME!
http://users.pop.umn.edu/~matt0350/images/forumcrap/october/scream.pdf
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