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Taijutsu Stigma
Topic Started: Jan 24 2013, 01:07 AM (1,426 Views)
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Jan 24 2013, 01:57 AM
I just told you? Because you are a ****ing scrub. All of you are ****ing scrubs, I'm the best, I'm the only one that uses fairly balanced moves and fighting styles. You all resort to cheap ****ing shit, if anyone on this game ever beats me they are edited or I'm under trained. Even then I was only using 10-20% power tops.
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It's all about the numbers still. The numbers are saying Tai is Nin's weakness. If there is something overpowered in ninjutsu, then mention it so it gets actually nerfed.
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Fukyuu
Jan 24 2013, 01:59 AM
Unstoppablebeast
Jan 24 2013, 01:50 AM
I suppose my only concern is this:

If you nerf taijutsu to hell, I don't care. I'll just make a nin/gen user like everyone else and be happy.

But why must I be undervalued and coined a "noob" because I use taijutsu? Apparently, it's perfectly common place to call somebody that regardless of the level of skill or thought they put into their technique.

Why is it not you, fuuton noob, that gets called that? Or you, suiton noob? Genjutsu noob, how do you deal with this?

It is only the "taijutsu" noob that gets ridiculed and called cheap for all to mock.

Also, you realize that removing the stun on handseals from taijutsu will demolish it, right? Taijutsu will be essentially useless.

Hah...you're not serious fallen? Taijutsu hits too hard?

I hit for 40~60 stamina damage per punch. Maybe 80 stamina damage per kick. That's assuming they just SIT there and take them. If they're moving, that's something else. Also, 25k stamina? Not likely. I have probably...I dunno. 7k right now? That's at age 26.
Why do you ask me so many questions when you never answer mine?

Nobody is saying nerf Taijutsu.

You are called a noob because everyone is called a noob. Noob.

It's not fuuton, suiton or gen noob? Man. Raito was called a fuuton noob with his all day. Every single day someone says baku noob. Last week all day every day it was oceanic noob.

You do realize taijutsu was doing absolutely fine without it negating handseals, right?

Per punch. That's 120 damage in one punch. Double strike. Now how fast is a punch? .5 sec - 1 sec. No delay. No CD. That's 240 damage per second. That's not good damage? Why yes it is. And it's not the main offense. The hard hitting I was talking about were the 1.5k hitters. Which is a lot considering you get 4.5k if you don't have 15 phy. Even 10 phy is only given 3k stamina.

7k Stamina is a lot. It's too much actually for not having all your boosts yet. 7k make Tai fights boring, suiton fights one sided.
We have to get through Stamina and Vitality.

All elements (ALL OF THEM) have jutsu that bypass stamina.

And every ninjutsu that I know of has the potential of doing more than 240 in one shot.

You're assuming that taijutsu is done on the basis of our opponent bending over the the table for us and enticing us to pummel them. No.

I have to chase people.

And 240 damage out of 5k+ to people with armor is nothing.
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Ninjutsu in a way is Taijutsu weakness. We can count the moves that hamper Taijutsu! Also, Stamina Gains are Static, Taijutsu Damage strictly speaking does not change. It'll always look like this, because yeah.

Taijutsu will be this \ or - Ninjutsu will be / as the game progressed. Is yeah

OoOOoo It can be a game! I'll start! Wow nobody wants to play fck you guys.

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Edited by Fox, Jan 24 2013, 02:19 AM.
http://users.pop.umn.edu/~matt0350/images/forumcrap/october/scream.pdf
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Yet it doesn't take much to go through stamina. Minimum stamina for low phy. 2 hits. 3 hits to KO. 5 hits to KO with raiton approximately.

Taijutsu users don't have to only use taijutsu. They can use weapons without any drawback.

240 in one shot. Not 240 consecutive without a delay.

You're just talking out your ass now. Nobody implied that at all.

I have to chase people.

Why do you not understand delays and the after affects of their stuns? What concept of this confuses you?

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Minimum Stamina is 2500. Stamina increases are static.

Everyone can pretty much use weapons without a drawback, if you find pressing Q, or W that large of a problem you are a scrub.

As the game goes on Taijutsu us either this - or this \ if it were to be done on a graph. There are so many ways to effectively negate Taijutsu it can only be looked at as getting worse as time progresses.

I mean I beat Aiichi with Mole, so pro swear.
Edited by Fox, Jan 24 2013, 02:23 AM.
http://users.pop.umn.edu/~matt0350/images/forumcrap/october/scream.pdf
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Fox
Jan 24 2013, 02:15 AM
Ninjutsu in a way is Taijutsu weakness. We can count the moves that hamper Taijutsu!

OoOOoo It can be a game! I'll start!

Paper Mode
Hansha style (specifically made to combat taijutsu you lazy ****s)
Paper Mode
Rock Armor
Advanced Rock Armor
Kaiten
Kaiten Kizu
Syrup
Swamp
Genjutsu (ALL)
Ice Mirrors
Aburame (They suck chakra, Taijutsu users have very little chakra)
Hydrification Technique
Wind Trick
Vacuum Wave
Webs
Leg Slice
Etc.

The list goes on...
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Fox
Jan 24 2013, 02:15 AM
Ninjutsu in a way is Taijutsu weakness. We can count the moves that hamper Taijutsu! Also, Stamina Gains are Static, Taijutsu Damage strictly speaking does not change. It'll always look like this, because yeah.

Taijutsu will be this \ or - Ninjutsu will be / as the game progressed. Is yeah

OoOOoo It can be a game! I'll start! Wow nobody wants to play fck you guys.

Paper Mode
Hydro Mode
Bone Membrane
The other Kaguya Move I can't remember the name of
Being a Hyuuga
Being a Sabaku
Being a Kumojin
Holding the X button
Doton Armors
Mole
It's not about the techs and how they wager against the stats. It's the stats that are mainly the problem. When one type needs chakra, control and health while the other type needs health, control, gets 3x health and does health damage. Then it's a problem. Which it is.

The ones that "hinder" tai, hinder ninjutsu as much, and let the Taijutsu user still use their techs, just not their ASD that stuns so you can't attack back.

You guys are just naming defenses that are to both Tai and Nin. It's like numbers are nonexistent in your defenses.
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Fox
Jan 24 2013, 02:20 AM
Minimum Stamina is 2500. Stamina increases are static.

Everyone can pretty much use weapons without a drawback, if you find pressing Q, or W that large of a problem you are a scrub.

I agree with Fox

@Fallen

We're talking about taijutsu here, not weapons.

What about delays? **** you. That's what.

Everyone has an A, S, and D. Button. You can use them too if you wanted to.

Contrary to popular belief, if you're going 5/30/10 or anything similar to that build, you're a frail little weakling. You deserved to be pummeled by taijutsu, that's a fact.

If a balanced character was in the same situation, he can counter with his own taijutsu until he was at a distance and resume ninjutsu.

Or use genjutsu.

Or use a ninjutsu that doesn't require handseals.

And the "stats" you're talking about, differ by about 2,000.
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Stamina increase isn't static my bad that's chakra. Although the point still stands that Minimum Stamina is a large 2500 that only increases with age or invested stat values. When something is increasing and your damage is not what you are using becomes weaker, this is a given. If you take armor into account your effective stamina is further increased. In terms of the stat war Taijutsu has it the hardest when inflicting damage, because they actually are forced into hitting through Stamina, AND vitality.


Ninjutsu on the other hand generally has the ability to hit Vitality. In a pure statistical manner hitting Vitality is better because the max has a hardcap of 1,500. (Although it can get lower, which makes Ninjutsu even better).
Edited by Fox, Jan 24 2013, 02:29 AM.
http://users.pop.umn.edu/~matt0350/images/forumcrap/october/scream.pdf
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I brought up weapons because they attack vitality. Taijutsu does not have to go through stamina alone, it's just easier and faster this way.
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Well you seem intent to make me remember that taijutsu attacks have "no delay" and are OP pieces of shit, nerf nerf nerf.

Everyone has the possibility to maximize taijutsu passives, right? Everyone has access to A, S, and D keys. Everyone can learn taijutsu techniques.

I can't learn ninjutsu techniques though. I literally do NOT have enough capacity.

What now?
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Ninjutsu users need both cap and control to be able to maintain their strength for a long time whereas taijutsu users ONLY need to rely on one stat to be powerful as hell. Genjutsu users honestly aren't much of a threat to genjutsu users. Why? Because it takes literally one hit to make their attacks stop. The fact that genjutsu damage is not nearly as fast a rate as a taijutsu user's attack speed makes taijutsu so much more powerful and useful. You can press A, S, and D, but they will never go on cooldown compared to other jutsus.

Even if a genjutsu user uses their jutsus on a tai user, they can easily just walk right next to them and kick them. Why are they able to survive for that long? Because genjutsu damages only stamina, which phy users obviously have a lot of.
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Jan 24 2013, 02:27 AM
I brought up weapons because they attack vitality. Taijutsu does not have to go through stamina alone, it's just easier and faster this way.
It's always better to use Kunai for any fighting style. The other day I saw a Fumma hit someone with a Kunai for 423? Instant fast moving free projectile that you can retrieve or spawn from nothing if you are a Inu, good damage, and can block other projectiles, and they can even be buffed further with Chakra Enhance. Weapons go both ways ;o

The low cool down for Taijutsu can be seen as equal to the quantity of Ninjutsu techniques.

Yeah I have a move with a 10 second cool down, well you have 8 with a 15 second cool down. Ok.
Edited by Fox, Jan 24 2013, 02:32 AM.
http://users.pop.umn.edu/~matt0350/images/forumcrap/october/scream.pdf
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The ONLY problem with tai whores are gates. Why? Because they ohko me some tai tech. Fine I'll just get up and-

OH WAIT, they activated gates and is now spam punching me.

I guess I'll just use clones...hmm it didn't work, guess I'll just kawa then...what the? Oh wait, I'm stunned and all I can do is block, can't use any jutsus and just have to take it.
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